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kate4975
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To help determine the lesser of two evils, will the reason why a toxin is a toxin ever be provided (like in the BTD Typebase)? For example, all the commercial rice, almond and oat milks (I'm assuming the latter is neutral for Nomads) contain some toxin or another. And I don't foresee myself making my own. Buttermilk is a black dot. Since I would only consume these in baked products--therefore infrequently--is it better to go with a black dot or something with an unknown quantity of straight-up toxins?


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My assumption is that Dr. D will develop more specific information as time go forward...  He has stated that the typical path is from general information to more specific.  I don't expect it right away, however...


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It might not be as hard or tedious to make your own yummy nut milks as you might imagine. I think it would be more flavourful if you used an herb tea that is appropriate and flavourful during the filtering process instead of water and you could add you own kind of sweetener instead of sugar. Nomads could add a bit of nutmeg or use licorice root tea. Warriors could use cocoa powder.

I have to avoid sweeteners of any kind for now but here is a link for making your own vegan ice cream, in case you might be interested in trying that when the summer rolls around.

http://veganicecream.blogspot.com/
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To help determine the lesser of two evils, will the reason why a toxin is a toxin ever be provided (like in the BTD Typebase)? For example, all the commercial rice, almond and oat milks (I'm assuming the latter is neutral for Nomads) contain some toxin or another. And I don't foresee myself making my own. Buttermilk is a black dot. Since I would only consume these in baked products--therefore infrequently--is it better to go with a black dot or something with an unknown quantity of straight-up toxins?


Oh my gosh.. homemade rice/nut/soy milks are a snap to make.  I purchased a Soybella and you just put cooked rice in it and water and 15 minutes later - wah la!  AND EASY cleanup.  One of the secrets is using 'cooked' rice which was a tip I found on a site.
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It would be nice if the Typebase Food Values site someday got expanded to include Genotypes also.  It would be a great tool to cross compare and make decisions on your own whether to cheat a bit with a certain food or not.


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.. homemade rice/nut/soy milks are a snap to make...  a Soybella


sooooo, have you made almond milk? If so, how did it come out. I have had no luck w/ getting all the grit out of the milk. I love almond milk, but that grit just chokes me. this looks like a cool product. I like that you don't have to skin the almonds, or so it says. Would you post your experience if you've made almond milk. thanks.



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I don't have grit in mine.  I have experimented with skinning them and not skinning them.  It's much easier to not skin them.  I just put them in the Vita Mix (1 c. almonds), add 4 c. water and blend for a while.  Then I add some salt and agave and pour it through a very fine sieve.  


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Also are you soaking the almonds which softens them?  And the Soybella has such a fine strainer, I doubt you would get any grit.

Call the company to make sure... but in my research and subsequent personal research, this Soybella is fantastic.
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I've been straining my almonds in a bodum coffee press. Makes for nice smooth milk.


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It took six years from the publication of ER to eventually having TYPEbase and the Encyclopedia..


Give me a couple of months!


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A couple of months!!!! WOW!!!! Are you serious?????!!! Surely you jest..... But I do hope not......

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Does that mean I have more time?


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Dr. D, surely you know by now that we will gobble up anything you put in front of us.


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But we live in the age of instant gratification.  Patience has never been one of my virtues.

Dr. D.: If you need help, you know where to find us.  Maybe we could do something non-medical like looking though the GTD lists and matching them up with the BTD lists.


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Does that mean I have more time?
    



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bolded emphasis added:  But we live in the age of instant gratification.  Patience has never been one of my virtues.

Dr. D.: If you need help, you know where to find us.  Maybe we could do something non-medical like looking though the GTD lists and matching them up with the BTD lists.

  
The BTD and GTD are two totally different diet systems (although the GTD does look at blood type as one factor).  Why would one try to "match up" the lists?  Can't be done, my friend!


I guess I just don't understand all the folks who are so intent on making lists of neutrals and lists matching up the BTD and GTD and lists, lists, lists!  I see the diets as complete the way they are laid out, and elegant in their simplicity.  Why needlessly complicate things?

That's just my two cents on the matter.  



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It took six years from the publication of ER to eventually having TYPEbase and the Encyclopedia..


Give me a couple of months!


Take your time Dr. D, we know you are a busy man!
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I guess I just don't understand all the folks who are so intent on making lists of neutrals and lists matching up the BTD and GTD and lists, lists, lists!  I see the diets as complete the way they are laid out, and elegant in their simplicity.  Why needlessly complicate things?


I'm just looking for reason for toxin status so if I HAVE to choose between two toxins, I know which one's effects I would rather avoid.


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I'm just looking for reason for toxin status so if I HAVE to choose between two toxins, I know which one's effects I would rather avoid.

No worries, Kate, that one makes sense to me.  The quote you have of mine was not directed towards that idea.  It was in response to the sugg that we try to "match up" the BTD and GTD lists.  IMHO, that way lies madness, as the saying goes *lol*.  In other words, they (the food lists of the two diets) don't match up, because they are two different diet systems with two different sets of criteria.



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No worries, Kate, that one makes sense to me.  The quote you have of mine was not directed towards that idea.  It was in response to the sugg that we try to "match up" the BTD and GTD lists.  IMHO, that way lies madness, as the saying goes *lol*.  In other words, they (the food lists of the two diets) don't match up, because they are two different diet systems with two different sets of criteria.


Gotcha. Yes, since some of our foods changed from one diet to the next (such as soft cheeses for Bs: good; soft cheeses for Nomads: bad  ), the information on the BTD Typebase is not going to apply.


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I was just thinking that it would be nice to have one Typebase that had had both BT & GT listed so that if you looked up a food, you could see the reasoning behind the beneficial/toxin choice especially if it is a lectin issue.  But, I suppose it would be confusing to someone trying to strictly follow one diet or the other.  I guess there is a need for two separate typebases.  Oh well, win some, lose some.

My offer to help still stands in whatever capacity I can be useful.


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I believe Dr D has made it clear that BTD and GTD are two separate systems.

this site here takes care of the BTD issues, while the GTD site takes care of those other issues.

I do not see a combined typebase happening any time soon, for that reason.

if you personally believe you want to combine and create your very own BT/GT guideline, it is entirely up to you to do as you please and what feels right for you......it isn t something Dr D advices.
so again we have individuality kicked up a notch!!


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I was just thinking that it would be nice to have one Typebase that had had both BT & GT listed so that if you looked up a food, you could see the reasoning behind the beneficial/toxin choice especially if it is a lectin issue.


Yes, that would be perfect!  Especially for us "Bomads".
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By 'matching up' lists, maybe they mean making a list of foods common to both BTD & your GTD.
I already made a list of foods common to both hunters & gatherers when I was 'in limbo' between the 2 diets.
There are many common foods (of the types I usually eat).
I'm sure the O-nonnie diet is very similar to those 2 also.
I'm saying this as one who dares not dip her toe into the dairy pool! That is off limits for me. (I already eat butter & consider it a fat.)For you dairy lovers, it's a different story.

I am still refining what I should do. If I am truly a gatherer, it will be disappointing to know all that beef was only a neutral, but at least it was acceptable.
Whether I am a hunter or gatherer, there are a few favorite & cheap/accesible fruits & veggies that are difficult to give up. The rest of it should be reltively easy.(Chocolate is a diamond for both, to boot!)

But I am so glad for Dr. D's work that has improved my diet even after age 50! We will see what SWAMI will bring.

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Really  I donīt think that there is any reason to be so afraid of neutral food
- it adds variety and variety is good.
BUT at the same time it is important not to forget the focus on SF/Diamond foods / Beneficials..

but if I couldnīt eat any neutrals...   it would be very difficult to eat lots of food
- like cake, wine etc  


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I was just thinking that it would be nice to have one Typebase that had had both BT & GT listed so that if you looked up a food, you could see the reasoning behind the beneficial/toxin choice especially if it is a lectin issue.

Oh, okay.  I get it now.  You don't mean an exact "match up", you just mean a side by side comparison of each food's status on GTD and BTD and the rationales for each, so that the user could see how the ratings and rationales match up, or how they are different.  I see what you meant, now.  10-4.  Kirk out!





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...a side by side comparison of each food's status on GTD and BTD and the rationales for each, so that the user could see how the ratings and rationales match up, or how they are different.

This would be awesome!



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If/when that new typebase ever comes out, I hope and pray that a less confusing naming convention will be used than the one in GTD.  The comma is used for everything there!

In some cases a comma is perfect, for instance, "Salmon, sockeye".  This follows the form "Type, subtype".

But then you have things like "Buffalo, bison" or "Garbanzo bean, chickpea", which is a list of different names for the same thing.  They would be clearer if replaced with "Buffalo/Bison" and "Garbanzo bean/Chickpea".

Then we have "Pepper, chili, jalapeno".  This is of the form "Type, subtype, another subtype", and it would be clearer to use "Pepper: chili, jalapeno".

While I'm knit-picking I'll point out that "wild", "wild-caught", "farm-raised", or "farmed" would be less confusing if they always appeared in parentheses (not just in the Gatherer diet!)
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Ah, another grammar stickler.  Or should I say "stickler, grammar."


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Ah, another grammar stickler.  Or should I say "stickler, grammar."


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It took six years from the publication of ER to eventually having TYPEbase and the Encyclopedia..

Give me a couple of months!


Okay, Lloyd, this post is the one that threw us into ecstasy!!   Actually, I don't care anymore. I'm doing so well with what I have that I'm not too worried about the when and what that comes next. That can wait. What I have to get lined up now is spending those gift certificates at NAP for my supplements. I think I am ready for them, finally. And there are still so many interesting foods to delve into and make sumptuous dishes. I'm just getting to the really FUN part of this diet!!
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And there are still so many interesting foods to delve into and make sumptuous dishes. I'm just getting to the really FUN part of this diet!!



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Had a little set-back with the polyamines, but I know a whole lot more than I did before, so, you see, something good comes from bad things sometimes!! Hopefully, I am now on my way again!!
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