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Three to six months is an awful long time to be really rigid with your foods especially when eating out, mixing with friends and family etc. Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.

My weight is gradually increasing at the moment with all the new foods - admittedly I am still eating black dot foods too - I could do with losing about 10lbs - all comments appreciated
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eating black dotted food will set back your weightloss goal.
my hub is away for a month, this will help me stay diamond compliant, hope to get excellent results so I can then state my point from now on!!!
no more succulent steak and red wine to go with it!!
(he s a hunter)
in the future, I ll have to ask for the driest white wine and fish or lamb or goat instead!
wish me luck in achieving this purpose!


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Yes of course Lola - The Very Best of Luck - its great when you can just please yourself - hubbies are lovely and the best thing since sliced bread but they do get in the way sometimes. I have to visit my daughter at the other end of the country and so I am waiting until I get back - then I will really start !Let us know how you get on!
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it feels like starting over......as 11 years ago when I dove into BTD, and everyone around me kept commenting and defaming every step I took......
I managed to stand up for my right to chose what went into my mouth!! lol
I plan to achieve the very same thing again, this second time around and totally ignore the 'Joy Behars'!!! if you know what I mean.
thanks speedy.....I also wish you strength and determination!


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Quoted from speedy
Three to six months is an awful long time to be really rigid with your foods especially when eating out, mixing with friends and family etc. Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.

My weight is gradually increasing at the moment with all the new foods - admittedly I am still eating black dot foods too - I could do with losing about 10lbs - all comments appreciated


Speedy,

As the book says, your blood type is one gene--GTD addresses all 30,000 genes. So even if you were compliant on BTD that did not necessarily provide full balance for you. The black dots should be reserved for when you are in balance with GTD. That being said, I'm not totally compliant with avoiding black dots either so I just expect my results to take longer!  



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Wow Lola, since following the BTD, you have been a shining example to all of us.  Now that you are going to be devoted to the GTD, you will be a Shining Diamond Super Woman!    



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Lola, does that mean that the dots are only related to weight loss or are there real toxins in them?  If it's only weight, I may eat some. I like a lot of veggies, but hardly had any yesterday as I tried to be compliant for hunter. I had plenty of lettuce & tomato in the refrigerator & some avocado. Those are dots, but things I ate a lot of & I didn't notice weight problems with them like I did & do on brown rice. A simple salad of those 3 with olive oil is amazingly delicious. Yes, I cheat with vinegar, but am trying to cut that down.
It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!!!!!
S S & L,
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Lola, does that mean that the dots are only related to weight loss or are there real toxins in them?  If it's only weight, I may eat some. I like a lot of veggies, but hardly had any yesterday as I tried to be compliant for hunter. I had plenty of lettuce & tomato in the refrigerator & some avocado. Those are dots, but things I ate a lot of & I didn't notice weight problems with them like I did & do on brown rice. A simple salad of those 3 with olive oil is amazingly delicious. Yes, I cheat with vinegar, but am trying to cut that down.
It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!!!!!
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+


My understanding is that it is for more than just weight loss as the book says that, after you reintroduce the black dots, if you start to see weight creeping up OR develop an illness, you should ramp up the compliance again.



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I added back in some of my dots this week likes eggs and bananas.  I feel so much better for doing so.  Iím within my weight range, just at the top of it rather than in the middle.  So if I have to exercise a bit more, so be it.  Besides, it is winter in Chicago, I donít expect to lose weight in January.


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Quoted from speedy
Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.


Because the GTD is not the revised BTD. It's an entirely different way of eating. So to have been following one does not mean you've laid the ground work for the other. (Quite the opposite for some of us...)
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Also, speedy, remember if it's not listed, then it's a neutral, so there's a lot of stuff you can have. I love how long my list of foods has gotten.


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It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!

avoiding dots is key to balancing your 'town meeting'...
silencing the 'loud mouths' alias 'Joy Behars'  , and letting the others (the more savvy ones)come forth to the mic....  


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There will beother issues too like avoiding foods that flare up arthritus and other nuisances = this will be ongoing learning for ages but it is all very exiting and very worthwhile
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right, silencing those which bring up issues and turning up the volume on the ones enhancing health in general.


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Quoted from speedy
There will beother issues too like avoiding foods that flare up arthritus and other nuisances = this will be ongoing learning for ages but it is all very exiting and very worthwhile


When Dr. D gets his new BTD-GTD Swami going, it will answer some of our personalized issues.


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The black dots should be reserved for when you are in balance with GTD. That being said, I'm not totally compliant with avoiding black dots either so I just expect my results to take longer!  



This is a real question for me... by eating the black dots will you have any results at all with turning off your bad genes?  According the science in the book, it seems not.  You have to avoid those foods to get the Genes to quiet down is the understanding I have.  

Somebody correct me if I'm incorrect in this.

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Because the GTD is not the revised BTD. It's an entirely different way of eating. So to have been following one does not mean you've laid the ground work for the other. (Quite the opposite for some of us...)


I feel I am easily reaching for  the new goals outlined in GTD after reading the book and considering the potentials.

While strictly speaking I can grant that it is not to be considered "groundwork" for the GTD, having strived to develope BTD skills, having done so certainly doesn't hurt.

In manifold ways simply joining the compelling groupwork that is ongoing here on this forum positions one to be inclined to reach for more and more.

Against the backdrop of those disinclined to venture beyond the basic USDA food pyramid, or typically worse dietary behavior; those of us, the stellar successes and stumblers alike, can rest assured we're in a good territory with great resources abounding.

The GTD is a new and different country no doubt about it. If you wish to immigrate here some of you may find it harder to do and fit in than others. By virtue of the self testing alone I can see people tying themselves in knots trying to figure out just who they happen to be and where they should declare themselve on the entrance documents so to speak.

The metaphores are thickening, I fear, so I'd better ease up!
I guess being in a new place can do that to one. I've got my bags, now where should I put them?
I hear plenty of exclaimations. The water's fine com'on in!

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I did so well on BTD - my weight was down and I was lively and happy - this week oh dear I have had an awful stomach bloated and painful too and have put it down to eating fruits like peaches (which I didn't enjoy) watermelon (which I love but was expensive to buy) and Banana (which puts weight on me) - all eaten bewteen meals away from the other stuff so sorry everyone but today I bought apples and have felt much better - these really suit me. I also tried tomatoes again and the arthritus flared up so they are a "no" too. I am struggling with the veggies - I love a big plateful and a lot of the ones listed are not available here or too expensive so I continue with lunchtime salad of romain lettuce, onion, radishes and sweet peppers and evening meal of broccoli and carrots and if I am really trying to slim cutting out the carrots and having spinach as well as broccoli. I think this new way of eating will take a lot of getting used too and things should be easier in the summer - I cannot see me losing weight taking back more cereals and beans etc - cheese is a definate no no as it causes me to make catarrh and the sinus's go down and headaches follow. I realise by eating black dots the journey of transformation will be longer and it could be a lot easier if you are a young person - I don't know if all this will resound with others but at the moment I am very tempted to revert to BTD!
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wish me luck in achieving this purpose!


Lots of resolve from me to you!



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I feel I am easily reaching for  the new goals outlined in GTD after reading the book and considering the potentials.

While strictly speaking I can grant that it is not to be considered "groundwork" for the GTD, having strived to develope BTD skills, having done so certainly doesn't hurt.




theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.
For me, really all I had to give up on my personal shopping list have been two major items of food, chicken which was only a neutral on the BTD anyway, and also white flour which I knew was bad for me anyway, and I have gained many wonderful items which I rejoice in. It is much easier for me than the BTD was.
It is actually hard to understand how so much improvement is to be expected with such a small alteration but I am already seeing a couple of excellent results that I will tell you about another time.
Cheers, Jenny




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I did so well on BTD - my weight was down and I was lively and happy - this week oh dear I have had an awful stomach bloated and painful too and have put it down to eating fruits like peaches (which I didn't enjoy) watermelon (which I love but was expensive to buy) and Banana (which puts weight on me)...at the moment I am very tempted to revert to BTD!
Best wishes to all


If the Gatherer diet is giving you that much trouble, perhaps you should revert to the BTD. According to the GTD book, my husband is a Hunter, but when he took the quiz in Dr. D's blog a little while back his results were that he should stay on the O BTD and not switch to the Hunter GTD diet so he's staying with his O BTD diet. My results said I should switch,so I did,and I feel even better than I did on BTD.

Here's that quiz if you haven't taken it yet:
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=102
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Quoted from Jenny
theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.


There is a good reason for this.  BTD and GTD have different objectives, and if the BTD is better suited to your particular concerns, it will be a better diet for you.  GTD is geared toward reprogramming your epigenetics to express good genes and suppress bad ones; specifically, weight-loss and proper weight maintenance is one (ideal) result, and also eliminating inherited disease tendencies for your future generations.  However, people like me who are less interested in our weight and more concerned about inflammation, dealing with stress, or food sensitivities, prefer the BTD.  Despite being a Nomad, I tend to be prone to inflammation because of old injuries (like my wrist, aching while I type, and my neck, lower back, right knee, and left ankle, all of which are thankfully quiet at the moment).  GTD re-introduces a lot of inflammatory foods, which I'd be better off staying away from, regardless of how helpful they are to my future posterity!

I'm sure I'm genotyped correctly; the measurements say so, and on the Nomad strength test I scored almost 100%.
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Iíll let my son who scored 100% GTD eliminate inherited disease tendencies for our future generations.   I on the other hand scored higher for the BTD.  The BTD virtually eliminated my constant use of Benedryl and the GTD brought it back.  Maybe I was still in the detox stage and didnít give it a long enough chance to run its course, I donít know.  I was also getting cramps in my feet during exercise.  Putting a few foods back into my diet set me right again.  Thatís why I really would like to take the Swami when Dr. D has it ready.


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theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.
For me, really all I had to give up on my personal shopping list have been two major items of food, chicken which was only a neutral on the BTD anyway, and also white flour which I knew was bad for me anyway, and I have gained many wonderful items which I rejoice in. It is much easier for me than the BTD was.
It is actually hard to understand how so much improvement is to be expected with such a small alteration but I am already seeing a couple of excellent results that I will tell you about another time.
Cheers, Jenny



1. GTD and BTD are both based on years of research. However, different aspects. Some of us may have better genes than other. Using the town hall analogy, maybe some of us had better meetings than others. Unlike blood type, where it is obvious you have those genes, GTD supposes certain genes from certain factors. Not the same approach.

2. I'm obviously a BTD girl, not a GTD girl. I tried the GTD and I didn't feel good, and some of the health problems that went away with BTD returned with GTD. I'd gladly be 20lbs heavier with no asthma, depression, migraines, acne, or gerd, than the perfect wieght and depressed, asthmatic, etc. And I can assure you I'm typed correctly. Any female with O+ blood (which I am and have) only needs to measure her fingers. The rest doesn't matter at all. And I assure you, my index fingers are the exact same size as my ring fingers (I'm beautifully symmetrical... thanks mom for a stress free pregnancy...)

3. With the exceptions of coconut oil, the GTD gave me nothing I missed. It did however take away many many things I enjoy on my BTD. (Canola oil, spelt, strawberries, kamut, sweet potatoes, brocolli, cabbage, mozzarella, hazelnuts, carrot, banana, maple syrup* etc. etc.)(And yes, I've decided that coconut oil is now, the equivalent of a tier 2 avoid for me We will be making pastry with coconut oil in the future...)

4. Congrats on your positive results. But as some of us have mentioned elsewhere, we have not experienced healthy or pleasant results.


*My grandfather had a sugar bush. My family heritage is making maple syrup. It is in my blood!!! Give it up? Uh, no. My grandfather would roll over in his grave...
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We all have to find our own way without judgement from others.  We know ourselves better than anyone else ever can.  As for me, I'm a very rigid person...everything is either black or white...no room for gray in my daily routine.  Because of this I find it very easy to be 100% in compliancy with any diet plan that I decide to follow.  I have totally switched over to the GTD in every respect...no black dot eating at all.  In doing it this way I have had wonderful success.  However, it's fairly easy for me to be this way because of my rigidness. Socially, I still stick to the plan...my friends accept me as I am & sometimes I bring my own foods to their get-togethers & they are ok with that...most importantly is that I am ok with it.  I never feel intimidated only proud of myself knowing that I have the strength of my personal conviction to follow my chosen path to success... of which I have had much.  
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Lola...I know that you can do it...I'm rooting for you...xoxo
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Blimey Rex - that is a brilliant statement !! I in awe!!
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Any female with O+ blood (which I am and have) only needs to measure her fingers. The rest doesn't matter at all. And I assure you, my index fingers are the exact same size as my ring fingers (I'm beautifully symmetrical... thanks mom for a stress free pregnancy...)


4. Congrats on your positive results. But as some of us have mentioned elsewhere, we have not experienced healthy or pleasant results.

Hi there Mercedes,
I am so sorry that you have had difficulty with the GTD and am glad for your sake that your BTD experience is so positive.
Just one small thing.. I did not quite understand your statement above that only the finger measurements matter. As I read the book, at least the leg and torso measurements are also needed to refine the search?




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it feels like starting over......as 11 years ago when I dove into BTD, and everyone around me kept commenting and defaming every step I took......
I managed to stand up for my right to chose what went into my mouth!! lol
I plan to achieve the very same thing again, this second time around and totally ignore the 'Joy Behars'!!! if you know what I mean.
thanks speedy.....I also wish you strength and determination!

Looking forward to your progress reports Lola. You are such a strength to us all, and it is wonderful to see how you are still working on perfecting your own diet and sharing with us.If there is ever a hall of fame to BTD/GTD you will be right up there.




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Thank you, Drive 55, Red Lilac and Mercedes!  Your wonderful answers helped me out a lot as I felt I didn't have enough technical information as to why I should switch over from BTD (10 years, now) to the GTD.  I believe you are helping me to make up my mind.  I'm reading the GTD book again to see if I missed something the first time.  
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This is a real question for me... by eating the black dots will you have any results at all with turning off your bad genes?  According the science in the book, it seems not.  You have to avoid those foods to get the Genes to quiet down is the understanding I have.  

Somebody correct me if I'm incorrect in this.

My understanding is that the dots need to be avoided to allow time for the body to balance, which I took to mean the transition time...  If the black dots are eaten during this time, you may not have (as much?) success in transitioning to the new you...  

That being said, I am having a hard time changing over completely...  Between the detox I was still doing on the BTD and new transition effects from the GTD transition, I haven't felt good enough to work with many new recipes, etc...  

I just had a major lymph dump from Friday to yesterday, so hopefully, I can regain some balance and continue moving forward.  

Lola,
I applaud your character and take some strength from it as well.  Sorry that you had to kick hubby out to get some peace...  
Fortunately, my wife understands how sick I have been and many of the struggles I have had moving back toward health.  She doesn't always understand what I'm doing, but she supports it anyway.  



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I want to stick  in my two cents. I am someone who has experienced an immediate improvement on the BTD, the short amount of time I followed it.  I had issues transitioning to the GTD
as all these allergy foods were irritating me.  My digestive system rebelled so badly that I
couldn't believe the GTD could be an improvement. I also tested stronger for the issues that
were helped by the BTD.  SO, why did I push myself to adapt to the GTD?  Because I honestly
believe Dr.D's research was the impetus. I wondered if I've spent most of my adult life not
operating at my optimum healthy self.  And I wanted to see if I went slowly enough and
tried very small portions of these new foods could I get over the hump and actually see
good results.

I wondered if perhaps the reasons I ever had allergies in the first place was because my immune system was somehow functioning improperly.  That these noisy destructive
genes were at work, doing damage.

I would have no way to fast forward myself ten, twenty years from now to measure if the
GTD had a good impact on my overall health, but I certainly could afford the 3-6 months
to test the theory of this new diet.

And so, I trudged forward...a few T of yogurt a few times a week until after two weeks, the
yogurt quit causing a stuffy nose.  I had many nights where I didn't sleep well...WIRED
from high energy----normally used to eating a lot of turkey which I can no longer have
as a Warrior.  Where would my tryptophan come from?  OF course, peanuts...and so, one
food at a time and I now can call myself 50% Warrior compliant.  I have eliminated all
the toxic foods, but I haven't yet tried all the new diamond foods or even the beneficial
foods that aren't marked with a diamond.  I'm doing this very very slowly because this is
the only way it's working for me.

For ten days, those white beans made me totally gassy and bloated.  Today, white beans,
with garlic and no gas.  I see that as progress.

I'm not trying to convince any BTD followers to change direction.  I'm merely sharing my
journey at week #5 to show that if you want to persist and give this time, things might
get better.


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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I just had a major lymph dump from Friday to yesterday...


I don't want to hijack this thread, but what in the world is a lymph dump and how do you know you had one?  


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Jenny and Joe,
thank you both for your encouragement!

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you had to kick hubby out to get some peace..


not quite the case, but his having to leave was quite timely!!
I can meanwhile thrive on my diamonds, and transition into GT2 naturally.....


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Lola,
I can so understand the way your mind works.  My life is simple indeed when I only have myself to prepare food for, and I happily eat only my super foods, sprinkled liberally with diamonds!  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Lola...I prepare meals for Bill that are different from mine.  We eat at the same time but have different foods on our plates. It's not that difficult once you get used to doing it.  You can do it, I know that you can. I have lost another pound or two & my waist measurement went from 30" down to 29" because of my very strict compliance to the GTD not the food choices alone but also to following the excercise protocol religiously. It really does work as promised...at least it does for me.  
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Chloe, that was very enlightening.  Thanks!
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thank you both Victoria and Rex!

I am also very pleased with the results I am perceiving thus far!


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many asthmatics are over breathers or mouth breathers (mouth is for eating and speaking...nose is for breathing and smelling...they hyperventilate...this causes you to lose to much carbon monoxide out of your lungs which cause your bronchial passageways to constrict because the body needs more of this essential gas...check out the Buteyko breathing method and this video for more info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIc_Vd1-b1o




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... I did not quite understand your statement above that only the finger measurements matter. As I read the book, at least the leg and torso measurements are also needed to refine the search?


Sorry for the late response.

Any woman with longer index fingers who is O+ is a gatherer. Period. It doesn't matter if her torso is longer or shorter, her lower or upper leg longer, it all will wind up as gatherer if her index fingers are longer. I've checked that out several times.
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Sorry for the late response.

Any woman with longer index fingers who is O+ is a gatherer. Period. It doesn't matter if her torso is longer or shorter, her lower or upper leg longer, it all will wind up as gatherer if her index fingers are longer. I've checked that out several times.

Maybe I'm cross eyed, but in my copy of the genotype book, the possibilities for an O with longer index fingers are Gatherer or Explorer, depending on torso/leg ratios,(pages 91-94) unless there is somewhere else that talks about females only (and I suspect that there is, if so, please direct me to the page---thanks).
All the best, hope it is going well
Jenny




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Jenny I am with Mercedes... .even if you have index finger longer on one hand and ring finger longer on the other hand you will still be a gatherer unless you are both rh- and nonsecretor. this is for type O.
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Jenny I am with Mercedes... .even if you have index finger longer on one hand and ring finger longer on the other hand you will still be a gatherer unless you are both rh- and nonsecretor. this is for type O.

I am totally confused now, and will bow out gracefully.




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Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

So for me, the ONLY measurement that matters is my finger length. I don't even need to know my secretor status. It's entirely irrelevant to my typing.
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Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

So for me, the ONLY measurement that matters is my finger length. I don't even need to know my secretor status. It's entirely irrelevant to my typing.


Gotcha! Absolutely clear.




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[quote=468]Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

Shouldnt it be Longer Index fingers to make the O+ Woman a Gatherer?


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Yes, it must be the index fingers as I know that I have 'mixed' fingers. If both ring fingers were longer, I would have been a hunter. (Yes, I was disappointed, but am adapting!)
I still tnink I'm borderline & hope I can afford the SWAMI test!
Meanwhile, I'll try for more gatherer days. There will be a few hunter days as I change over. I decided to do it by days, rather than mixing it up. The bananas & Lara Bars are waiting for tomorrow when I won't have as much time to cook. I also have some rice pasta to eventually finish as I switch over to basmati rice. I got lettuce & tomato salad back which I thought I lost. But I can't put beets & avocados in it!
I had a big one yesterday & put a can of green beans in it.
How bad are canned foods & do they count toward veggies?
More ruminations.....
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[quote=468]Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

Shouldnt it be Longer Index fingers to make the O+ Woman a Gatherer?



No.  I have longer ring fingers (substancially longer on both hands), am O and female, BUT I have a short torso and long legs so I am a hunter.


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Yes, I got it right the first time I posted, the second time, I posted the wrong fingers   My bad. But yes, longer D2s/index finger/pointer finger  on an 0+ female will always mean gatherer, regardless of torso or leg length, or secretor status.
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