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RedLilac
Wednesday, February 6, 2008, 3:31am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Iíll let my son who scored 100% GTD eliminate inherited disease tendencies for our future generations.   I on the other hand scored higher for the BTD.  The BTD virtually eliminated my constant use of Benedryl and the GTD brought it back.  Maybe I was still in the detox stage and didnít give it a long enough chance to run its course, I donít know.  I was also getting cramps in my feet during exercise.  Putting a few foods back into my diet set me right again.  Thatís why I really would like to take the Swami when Dr. D has it ready.


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Mercedes
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Quoted from Jenny

theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.
For me, really all I had to give up on my personal shopping list have been two major items of food, chicken which was only a neutral on the BTD anyway, and also white flour which I knew was bad for me anyway, and I have gained many wonderful items which I rejoice in. It is much easier for me than the BTD was.
It is actually hard to understand how so much improvement is to be expected with such a small alteration but I am already seeing a couple of excellent results that I will tell you about another time.
Cheers, Jenny



1. GTD and BTD are both based on years of research. However, different aspects. Some of us may have better genes than other. Using the town hall analogy, maybe some of us had better meetings than others. Unlike blood type, where it is obvious you have those genes, GTD supposes certain genes from certain factors. Not the same approach.

2. I'm obviously a BTD girl, not a GTD girl. I tried the GTD and I didn't feel good, and some of the health problems that went away with BTD returned with GTD. I'd gladly be 20lbs heavier with no asthma, depression, migraines, acne, or gerd, than the perfect wieght and depressed, asthmatic, etc. And I can assure you I'm typed correctly. Any female with O+ blood (which I am and have) only needs to measure her fingers. The rest doesn't matter at all. And I assure you, my index fingers are the exact same size as my ring fingers (I'm beautifully symmetrical... thanks mom for a stress free pregnancy...)

3. With the exceptions of coconut oil, the GTD gave me nothing I missed. It did however take away many many things I enjoy on my BTD. (Canola oil, spelt, strawberries, kamut, sweet potatoes, brocolli, cabbage, mozzarella, hazelnuts, carrot, banana, maple syrup* etc. etc.)(And yes, I've decided that coconut oil is now, the equivalent of a tier 2 avoid for me We will be making pastry with coconut oil in the future...)

4. Congrats on your positive results. But as some of us have mentioned elsewhere, we have not experienced healthy or pleasant results.


*My grandfather had a sugar bush. My family heritage is making maple syrup. It is in my blood!!! Give it up? Uh, no. My grandfather would roll over in his grave...
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We all have to find our own way without judgement from others.  We know ourselves better than anyone else ever can.  As for me, I'm a very rigid person...everything is either black or white...no room for gray in my daily routine.  Because of this I find it very easy to be 100% in compliancy with any diet plan that I decide to follow.  I have totally switched over to the GTD in every respect...no black dot eating at all.  In doing it this way I have had wonderful success.  However, it's fairly easy for me to be this way because of my rigidness. Socially, I still stick to the plan...my friends accept me as I am & sometimes I bring my own foods to their get-togethers & they are ok with that...most importantly is that I am ok with it.  I never feel intimidated only proud of myself knowing that I have the strength of my personal conviction to follow my chosen path to success... of which I have had much.  
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Lola...I know that you can do it...I'm rooting for you...xoxo
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Blimey Rex - that is a brilliant statement !! I in awe!!
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Quoted from Mercedes
Any female with O+ blood (which I am and have) only needs to measure her fingers. The rest doesn't matter at all. And I assure you, my index fingers are the exact same size as my ring fingers (I'm beautifully symmetrical... thanks mom for a stress free pregnancy...)


4. Congrats on your positive results. But as some of us have mentioned elsewhere, we have not experienced healthy or pleasant results.

Hi there Mercedes,
I am so sorry that you have had difficulty with the GTD and am glad for your sake that your BTD experience is so positive.
Just one small thing.. I did not quite understand your statement above that only the finger measurements matter. As I read the book, at least the leg and torso measurements are also needed to refine the search?




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Quoted from Lola
it feels like starting over......as 11 years ago when I dove into BTD, and everyone around me kept commenting and defaming every step I took......
I managed to stand up for my right to chose what went into my mouth!! lol
I plan to achieve the very same thing again, this second time around and totally ignore the 'Joy Behars'!!! if you know what I mean.
thanks speedy.....I also wish you strength and determination!

Looking forward to your progress reports Lola. You are such a strength to us all, and it is wonderful to see how you are still working on perfecting your own diet and sharing with us.If there is ever a hall of fame to BTD/GTD you will be right up there.




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Thank you, Drive 55, Red Lilac and Mercedes!  Your wonderful answers helped me out a lot as I felt I didn't have enough technical information as to why I should switch over from BTD (10 years, now) to the GTD.  I believe you are helping me to make up my mind.  I'm reading the GTD book again to see if I missed something the first time.  
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Quoted from 1323

This is a real question for me... by eating the black dots will you have any results at all with turning off your bad genes?  According the science in the book, it seems not.  You have to avoid those foods to get the Genes to quiet down is the understanding I have.  

Somebody correct me if I'm incorrect in this.

My understanding is that the dots need to be avoided to allow time for the body to balance, which I took to mean the transition time...  If the black dots are eaten during this time, you may not have (as much?) success in transitioning to the new you...  

That being said, I am having a hard time changing over completely...  Between the detox I was still doing on the BTD and new transition effects from the GTD transition, I haven't felt good enough to work with many new recipes, etc...  

I just had a major lymph dump from Friday to yesterday, so hopefully, I can regain some balance and continue moving forward.  

Lola,
I applaud your character and take some strength from it as well.  Sorry that you had to kick hubby out to get some peace...  
Fortunately, my wife understands how sick I have been and many of the struggles I have had moving back toward health.  She doesn't always understand what I'm doing, but she supports it anyway.  



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I want to stick  in my two cents. I am someone who has experienced an immediate improvement on the BTD, the short amount of time I followed it.  I had issues transitioning to the GTD
as all these allergy foods were irritating me.  My digestive system rebelled so badly that I
couldn't believe the GTD could be an improvement. I also tested stronger for the issues that
were helped by the BTD.  SO, why did I push myself to adapt to the GTD?  Because I honestly
believe Dr.D's research was the impetus. I wondered if I've spent most of my adult life not
operating at my optimum healthy self.  And I wanted to see if I went slowly enough and
tried very small portions of these new foods could I get over the hump and actually see
good results.

I wondered if perhaps the reasons I ever had allergies in the first place was because my immune system was somehow functioning improperly.  That these noisy destructive
genes were at work, doing damage.

I would have no way to fast forward myself ten, twenty years from now to measure if the
GTD had a good impact on my overall health, but I certainly could afford the 3-6 months
to test the theory of this new diet.

And so, I trudged forward...a few T of yogurt a few times a week until after two weeks, the
yogurt quit causing a stuffy nose.  I had many nights where I didn't sleep well...WIRED
from high energy----normally used to eating a lot of turkey which I can no longer have
as a Warrior.  Where would my tryptophan come from?  OF course, peanuts...and so, one
food at a time and I now can call myself 50% Warrior compliant.  I have eliminated all
the toxic foods, but I haven't yet tried all the new diamond foods or even the beneficial
foods that aren't marked with a diamond.  I'm doing this very very slowly because this is
the only way it's working for me.

For ten days, those white beans made me totally gassy and bloated.  Today, white beans,
with garlic and no gas.  I see that as progress.

I'm not trying to convince any BTD followers to change direction.  I'm merely sharing my
journey at week #5 to show that if you want to persist and give this time, things might
get better.


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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Quoted from ABJoe
I just had a major lymph dump from Friday to yesterday...


I don't want to hijack this thread, but what in the world is a lymph dump and how do you know you had one?  


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Jenny and Joe,
thank you both for your encouragement!

Quoted Text
you had to kick hubby out to get some peace..


not quite the case, but his having to leave was quite timely!!
I can meanwhile thrive on my diamonds, and transition into GT2 naturally.....


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Lola,
I can so understand the way your mind works.  My life is simple indeed when I only have myself to prepare food for, and I happily eat only my super foods, sprinkled liberally with diamonds!  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
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Lola...I prepare meals for Bill that are different from mine.  We eat at the same time but have different foods on our plates. It's not that difficult once you get used to doing it.  You can do it, I know that you can. I have lost another pound or two & my waist measurement went from 30" down to 29" because of my very strict compliance to the GTD not the food choices alone but also to following the excercise protocol religiously. It really does work as promised...at least it does for me.  
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Chloe, that was very enlightening.  Thanks!
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thank you both Victoria and Rex!

I am also very pleased with the results I am perceiving thus far!


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many asthmatics are over breathers or mouth breathers (mouth is for eating and speaking...nose is for breathing and smelling...they hyperventilate...this causes you to lose to much carbon monoxide out of your lungs which cause your bronchial passageways to constrict because the body needs more of this essential gas...check out the Buteyko breathing method and this video for more info

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIc_Vd1-b1o




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Quoted from Jenny

... I did not quite understand your statement above that only the finger measurements matter. As I read the book, at least the leg and torso measurements are also needed to refine the search?


Sorry for the late response.

Any woman with longer index fingers who is O+ is a gatherer. Period. It doesn't matter if her torso is longer or shorter, her lower or upper leg longer, it all will wind up as gatherer if her index fingers are longer. I've checked that out several times.
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Quoted from Mercedes

Sorry for the late response.

Any woman with longer index fingers who is O+ is a gatherer. Period. It doesn't matter if her torso is longer or shorter, her lower or upper leg longer, it all will wind up as gatherer if her index fingers are longer. I've checked that out several times.

Maybe I'm cross eyed, but in my copy of the genotype book, the possibilities for an O with longer index fingers are Gatherer or Explorer, depending on torso/leg ratios,(pages 91-94) unless there is somewhere else that talks about females only (and I suspect that there is, if so, please direct me to the page---thanks).
All the best, hope it is going well
Jenny




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Jenny I am with Mercedes... .even if you have index finger longer on one hand and ring finger longer on the other hand you will still be a gatherer unless you are both rh- and nonsecretor. this is for type O.
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Jenny I am with Mercedes... .even if you have index finger longer on one hand and ring finger longer on the other hand you will still be a gatherer unless you are both rh- and nonsecretor. this is for type O.

I am totally confused now, and will bow out gracefully.




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Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

So for me, the ONLY measurement that matters is my finger length. I don't even need to know my secretor status. It's entirely irrelevant to my typing.
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Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

So for me, the ONLY measurement that matters is my finger length. I don't even need to know my secretor status. It's entirely irrelevant to my typing.


Gotcha! Absolutely clear.




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[quote=468]Basically, look at the options for a postive O female. In ***ALL*** cases where a WOMAN has longer ring fingers, and O+ blood, she is a gatherer. It's clearly in the tables at the back of the book.

Shouldnt it be Longer Index fingers to make the O+ Woman a Gatherer?


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Yes, it must be the index fingers as I know that I have 'mixed' fingers. If both ring fingers were longer, I would have been a hunter. (Yes, I was disappointed, but am adapting!)
I still tnink I'm borderline & hope I can afford the SWAMI test!
Meanwhile, I'll try for more gatherer days. There will be a few hunter days as I change over. I decided to do it by days, rather than mixing it up. The bananas & Lara Bars are waiting for tomorrow when I won't have as much time to cook. I also have some rice pasta to eventually finish as I switch over to basmati rice. I got lettuce & tomato salad back which I thought I lost. But I can't put beets & avocados in it!
I had a big one yesterday & put a can of green beans in it.
How bad are canned foods & do they count toward veggies?
More ruminations.....
Cheers,
Mrs "T"   O+    


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