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speedy
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Three to six months is an awful long time to be really rigid with your foods especially when eating out, mixing with friends and family etc. Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.

My weight is gradually increasing at the moment with all the new foods - admittedly I am still eating black dot foods too - I could do with losing about 10lbs - all comments appreciated
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eating black dotted food will set back your weightloss goal.
my hub is away for a month, this will help me stay diamond compliant, hope to get excellent results so I can then state my point from now on!!!
no more succulent steak and red wine to go with it!!
(he s a hunter)
in the future, I ll have to ask for the driest white wine and fish or lamb or goat instead!
wish me luck in achieving this purpose!


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Yes of course Lola - The Very Best of Luck - its great when you can just please yourself - hubbies are lovely and the best thing since sliced bread but they do get in the way sometimes. I have to visit my daughter at the other end of the country and so I am waiting until I get back - then I will really start !Let us know how you get on!
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it feels like starting over......as 11 years ago when I dove into BTD, and everyone around me kept commenting and defaming every step I took......
I managed to stand up for my right to chose what went into my mouth!! lol
I plan to achieve the very same thing again, this second time around and totally ignore the 'Joy Behars'!!! if you know what I mean.
thanks speedy.....I also wish you strength and determination!


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Quoted from speedy
Three to six months is an awful long time to be really rigid with your foods especially when eating out, mixing with friends and family etc. Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.

My weight is gradually increasing at the moment with all the new foods - admittedly I am still eating black dot foods too - I could do with losing about 10lbs - all comments appreciated


Speedy,

As the book says, your blood type is one gene--GTD addresses all 30,000 genes. So even if you were compliant on BTD that did not necessarily provide full balance for you. The black dots should be reserved for when you are in balance with GTD. That being said, I'm not totally compliant with avoiding black dots either so I just expect my results to take longer!  



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Wow Lola, since following the BTD, you have been a shining example to all of us.  Now that you are going to be devoted to the GTD, you will be a Shining Diamond Super Woman!    



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Lola, does that mean that the dots are only related to weight loss or are there real toxins in them?  If it's only weight, I may eat some. I like a lot of veggies, but hardly had any yesterday as I tried to be compliant for hunter. I had plenty of lettuce & tomato in the refrigerator & some avocado. Those are dots, but things I ate a lot of & I didn't notice weight problems with them like I did & do on brown rice. A simple salad of those 3 with olive oil is amazingly delicious. Yes, I cheat with vinegar, but am trying to cut that down.
It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!!!!!
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+


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Lola, does that mean that the dots are only related to weight loss or are there real toxins in them?  If it's only weight, I may eat some. I like a lot of veggies, but hardly had any yesterday as I tried to be compliant for hunter. I had plenty of lettuce & tomato in the refrigerator & some avocado. Those are dots, but things I ate a lot of & I didn't notice weight problems with them like I did & do on brown rice. A simple salad of those 3 with olive oil is amazingly delicious. Yes, I cheat with vinegar, but am trying to cut that down.
It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!!!!!
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+


My understanding is that it is for more than just weight loss as the book says that, after you reintroduce the black dots, if you start to see weight creeping up OR develop an illness, you should ramp up the compliance again.



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I added back in some of my dots this week likes eggs and bananas.  I feel so much better for doing so.  Iĺm within my weight range, just at the top of it rather than in the middle.  So if I have to exercise a bit more, so be it.  Besides, it is winter in Chicago, I donĺt expect to lose weight in January.


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Why this long if you have been compliant with the Blood Group Diet (I am O secretor) can you not have quite a few of the black dot foods too.


Because the GTD is not the revised BTD. It's an entirely different way of eating. So to have been following one does not mean you've laid the ground work for the other. (Quite the opposite for some of us...)
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Also, speedy, remember if it's not listed, then it's a neutral, so there's a lot of stuff you can have. I love how long my list of foods has gotten.


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Victoria, you re the one leading the way!!

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It would be great if dots are only for weight. A lot of us would feel liberated!!!

avoiding dots is key to balancing your 'town meeting'...
silencing the 'loud mouths' alias 'Joy Behars'  , and letting the others (the more savvy ones)come forth to the mic....  


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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There will beother issues too like avoiding foods that flare up arthritus and other nuisances = this will be ongoing learning for ages but it is all very exiting and very worthwhile
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right, silencing those which bring up issues and turning up the volume on the ones enhancing health in general.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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There will beother issues too like avoiding foods that flare up arthritus and other nuisances = this will be ongoing learning for ages but it is all very exiting and very worthwhile


When Dr. D gets his new BTD-GTD Swami going, it will answer some of our personalized issues.


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The black dots should be reserved for when you are in balance with GTD. That being said, I'm not totally compliant with avoiding black dots either so I just expect my results to take longer!  



This is a real question for me... by eating the black dots will you have any results at all with turning off your bad genes?  According the science in the book, it seems not.  You have to avoid those foods to get the Genes to quiet down is the understanding I have.  

Somebody correct me if I'm incorrect in this.

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Because the GTD is not the revised BTD. It's an entirely different way of eating. So to have been following one does not mean you've laid the ground work for the other. (Quite the opposite for some of us...)


I feel I am easily reaching for  the new goals outlined in GTD after reading the book and considering the potentials.

While strictly speaking I can grant that it is not to be considered "groundwork" for the GTD, having strived to develope BTD skills, having done so certainly doesn't hurt.

In manifold ways simply joining the compelling groupwork that is ongoing here on this forum positions one to be inclined to reach for more and more.

Against the backdrop of those disinclined to venture beyond the basic USDA food pyramid, or typically worse dietary behavior; those of us, the stellar successes and stumblers alike, can rest assured we're in a good territory with great resources abounding.

The GTD is a new and different country no doubt about it. If you wish to immigrate here some of you may find it harder to do and fit in than others. By virtue of the self testing alone I can see people tying themselves in knots trying to figure out just who they happen to be and where they should declare themselve on the entrance documents so to speak.

The metaphores are thickening, I fear, so I'd better ease up!
I guess being in a new place can do that to one. I've got my bags, now where should I put them?
I hear plenty of exclaimations. The water's fine com'on in!

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I did so well on BTD - my weight was down and I was lively and happy - this week oh dear I have had an awful stomach bloated and painful too and have put it down to eating fruits like peaches (which I didn't enjoy) watermelon (which I love but was expensive to buy) and Banana (which puts weight on me) - all eaten bewteen meals away from the other stuff so sorry everyone but today I bought apples and have felt much better - these really suit me. I also tried tomatoes again and the arthritus flared up so they are a "no" too. I am struggling with the veggies - I love a big plateful and a lot of the ones listed are not available here or too expensive so I continue with lunchtime salad of romain lettuce, onion, radishes and sweet peppers and evening meal of broccoli and carrots and if I am really trying to slim cutting out the carrots and having spinach as well as broccoli. I think this new way of eating will take a lot of getting used too and things should be easier in the summer - I cannot see me losing weight taking back more cereals and beans etc - cheese is a definate no no as it causes me to make catarrh and the sinus's go down and headaches follow. I realise by eating black dots the journey of transformation will be longer and it could be a lot easier if you are a young person - I don't know if all this will resound with others but at the moment I am very tempted to revert to BTD!
Best wishes to all
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wish me luck in achieving this purpose!


Lots of resolve from me to you!



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had my rabbit the other day.....not bad!!
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I feel I am easily reaching for  the new goals outlined in GTD after reading the book and considering the potentials.

While strictly speaking I can grant that it is not to be considered "groundwork" for the GTD, having strived to develope BTD skills, having done so certainly doesn't hurt.




theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.
For me, really all I had to give up on my personal shopping list have been two major items of food, chicken which was only a neutral on the BTD anyway, and also white flour which I knew was bad for me anyway, and I have gained many wonderful items which I rejoice in. It is much easier for me than the BTD was.
It is actually hard to understand how so much improvement is to be expected with such a small alteration but I am already seeing a couple of excellent results that I will tell you about another time.
Cheers, Jenny




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I did so well on BTD - my weight was down and I was lively and happy - this week oh dear I have had an awful stomach bloated and painful too and have put it down to eating fruits like peaches (which I didn't enjoy) watermelon (which I love but was expensive to buy) and Banana (which puts weight on me)...at the moment I am very tempted to revert to BTD!
Best wishes to all


If the Gatherer diet is giving you that much trouble, perhaps you should revert to the BTD. According to the GTD book, my husband is a Hunter, but when he took the quiz in Dr. D's blog a little while back his results were that he should stay on the O BTD and not switch to the Hunter GTD diet so he's staying with his O BTD diet. My results said I should switch,so I did,and I feel even better than I did on BTD.

Here's that quiz if you haven't taken it yet:
http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?p=102
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theoretically speaking, I can't see how the BTD would be better for anyone than the GTD since the latter is based on years of new research. However, from time to time I read of people here who are preferring to stay with the prior research. There must be a good reason for this, and it is wonderful that something has worked so well for them that they have this loyalty. Sometimes I wonder if the reason could be that their GTD typing was faulty, as it is not nearly as easy as just knowing one's blood type as before.


There is a good reason for this.  BTD and GTD have different objectives, and if the BTD is better suited to your particular concerns, it will be a better diet for you.  GTD is geared toward reprogramming your epigenetics to express good genes and suppress bad ones; specifically, weight-loss and proper weight maintenance is one (ideal) result, and also eliminating inherited disease tendencies for your future generations.  However, people like me who are less interested in our weight and more concerned about inflammation, dealing with stress, or food sensitivities, prefer the BTD.  Despite being a Nomad, I tend to be prone to inflammation because of old injuries (like my wrist, aching while I type, and my neck, lower back, right knee, and left ankle, all of which are thankfully quiet at the moment).  GTD re-introduces a lot of inflammatory foods, which I'd be better off staying away from, regardless of how helpful they are to my future posterity!

I'm sure I'm genotyped correctly; the measurements say so, and on the Nomad strength test I scored almost 100%.
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