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Peppermint Twist
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Okay, people, the organization I work for is having an "ice cream social" right now (started at 2:00 p.m., two minutes ago, to be precise!) to celebrate a good year last year, so I am opting to sit here with y'all and discuss tuna and mercury instead of plunging into an entire buffet of luscious, totally free ice cream.  Be proud.  Be VERY proud of your twist.  Because I could go for some sugar and carbs right now, as I am feeling shaken up and stressed today and they (suuuuuuuGAR and comfycarbies, not to mention FAT, glorious fat!) are sounding pretty dang GOOD to moi!  But no, I'm determined to G2 myself to a slimmer, trimmer me!*  So, let's commence this topic which I've been wondering about:

Tuna is now a superfood for me, and I find I've been eating quite a bit of it.  Should I be concerned about mercury?  I mean, what if one ingested tuna, say, five times per week?  Fabulous?  Okay?  Scary?

Aaaaand:  DISCUSS!

* edited to add:  and if you really want to be impressed, consider THIS:  the HFS had the kind of potato chips I love on SALE today--they are NEVER on sale--and, again, what with being shaken up today and thus infused with a tad of cortisol, no doubt, it was tempting!  But did I get any?  No, I did not.  Commitment!  I just told myself, okay, can't control the thing I'm stressed about, but can control my own weight and health, to some extent, by choosing to G2.


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I feel for you about right now!  But, I am so proud of you!  Now for the tuna....I recently purchased a low mercury-no salt added tuna from one of the HFS in my area for my husband to eat and it tastes very good.  Maybe you can find one of this type in you area.  The name of the market is called M.O.M. (My Organic Market).

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Quoted from roller56
I feel for you about right now!  But, I am so proud of you!  Now for the tuna....I recently purchased a low mercury-no salt added tuna from one of the HFS in my area for my husband to eat and it tastes very good.  Maybe you can find one of this type in you area.  The name of the market is called M.O.M. (My Organic Market). roller56

Oh!  They have tuna that's actually labeled "low mercury"?!  I have never seen it.  I must admit to buying tuna salad already made by my HFS, with lovely celery and not-so-lovely cilantro (not a cilantro fan, but apparently it is a superfood for me), as well as ye olde fan fave "toxin to avoid", mayo, in it.  They used to use a kind of tuna called "tongol tuna", which was supposed to be good for some reason--not sure if that reason was low mercury or what.  But I notice that now their tuna salad ingredient label just says something like "white tuna" or something.

I will look for canned tuna there that may be actually labeled "low mercury", if there is such an animal.  I buy canned salmon often and I never look at the tuna, but it seems some of the cans there also boast "tongol tuna".  I think that is from a certain location, but not sure what is so fab about it.  Like I said, I was always a salmon purchaser myself, until the GTD told me tuna is a superfood and chicken is a black dot avoid.  So, since the HFS curried chicken salad was a lunch staple, I have switched to their tuna.  But I don't want to load myself up with mercury, that is for sure.  Don't need that aggro.

(p.s.  Thanks for the back pat re avoiding the ice cream social and the Kettle chips on sale today.)



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I would guess the thing to do is to rotate your fish: tuna, salmon, mackerel ect. There are others but those are the ones I know you can get canned.
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Everything in me wants to eat more fish, as it is soooooooo good for ya, but the mercury thing gives me pause.

Just saw a thing on the news last night about a study of samples of high-quality, sushi-grade tuna from some of the most expensive sushi restaurants in NYC, and the majority came back with unacceptable mercury levels.



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Twisty, you are doing so great! G2 yourself slim! I like that!
I haven't yet made tuna salad...had it at a cafe once since GTD....just had a millet and salmon salad...weird sounding, but very good. Leftover salmon flaked over leftover millet with chopped celery, jalapeno, onion, and red bell pepper with evoo and lime juice. (and salt) I'm in love with millet. Sorry if this doesn't further your discussion about tuna...I am treading slowly toward including it.
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I heard about the tuna / mercury concerns about two months ago...  

My wife and I are eating quite a bit of tuna, as well...  I suppose we should rotate our fish types more to reduce concerns, since we don't have access to a lab to check every can...

I don't think we have a prayer of knowing what is happening on a cellular level and I know I can't lab. test every can, so I think I'm going to continue to eat the tuna until I can determine in some manner that it is causing some harm.

This diet is about doing the best we can for our bodies, but I can't imagine that we need to be slaves to them to eat nutritiously.  I think that if we are eating properly, we should be able to handle more "garbage", so hopefully, if there is high mercury content that the better running bodies will process it through without as much damage...   


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Quoted from Peppermint Twist
Everything in me wants to eat more fish, as it is soooooooo good for ya, but the mercury thing gives me pause.

Just saw a thing on the news last night about a study of samples of high-quality, sushi-grade tuna from some of the most expensive sushi restaurants in NYC, and the majority came back with unacceptable mercury levels.



Is cilantro good for your genotype?  It helps to detox heavy metals.

http://www.relfe.com/removing_heavy_metal_toxicity.html



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yes, a pesto is a great way to add cilantro, or parsley or other herb of your choice to your diet.


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I have read that only white albacore tuna have mercury in it.
The tuna you get in pouches ....like Starkist and Chicken of the Sea are made from skip jack tuna and it is not mercury contaminated.
I am a Gatherer and am to eat fish often and the only fish I like is tuna in a can or packet (pouch).
So i researched about the mercury contamination and found out the following...only need to worry about mercury contamination in white tuna that is the albacore tuna.
The tuna in pouches and cans from Chicken of the Sea and Starkist is the skip jack variety and I think it is mercury free.
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A way to get less mercury would be to eat a variety of fish, many from further down the food chain, and from different environments. I believe the higher up the food chain an animal is, and salmon, tuna, swordfish, etc. are going to be most prone to accumulating heavy metals. That being said, I love salmon beyond all reason, and don't eat it too often, so I don't plan on giving it up any time soon.
On the gtd I started buying more fish recently, and make sure I mix up the types I get. I'm going to try fresh dressed smelts. I got some a week ago but never got around to cooking them, so they went to the dogs and the alligator snapper. No waste.


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Here is the brand that I buy:
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Wild Planet Minimal Mercury tuna is a great product.  My local natural food store carries it, so maybe you could request it.



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Interesting info on albacore tuna. I had no idea of the mercury content. I really only like albacore (canned) tuna -- another piece of the "picky eater" puzzle that is called Drea.


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Hi, folks! Mercury-the bain of my life. I have fibromyalgia, and mercury,having leaked over 30 years into mys system from my recently removed amalgam fillings,has damaged my pituitary, hypothalamus, and adrenal glands. I pray every day to the Man Uptairs that my brain can be resored.I detox was a revoltionary product called PCA-rx. Anyway, cliantro and chlorella help, too. I am wondering all about this myself.I'ma Teacher, and we teachers are supposed to eat lots o fish. So-I am MEGA concerned every day about the fish I'm now eating, and just praying that Someone will keep me protected! Any suggestions, anyone?
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Twin, I'm feeling that need to eat more fish too. I am not at all fond of tuna, having eaten a whole school of them when I was doing Weight Watchers many years ago. However, I second Victoria's recommendation--Wild Planet is a good brand.

I'm eating more sardines though, to be honest. I've always preferred them to tuna, but then I like dark meat better than breast meat too
King Oscar brand has sardines canned in olive oil rather than soybean oil. They're about twice the price of the cheaper stuff but have a lovely flavor. I like to eat them with homemade mustard on homemade millet-flax brown bread. Yum!

If anyone has found canned herrings without a ton of additives, please let me know. One of our local supermarkets carries herring, but the avoid list is a nightmare. I'm supplementing the sardines with canned wild salmon, since you can't get it fresh here *sigh* but would like more variety.


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Is there any home test that can done done for mercury toxicity?  I have been reading about candida (and I think it's yet another piece of the elusive puzzle that is my health), and apparently, high mercury levels can sustain candida overgrowth, because the yeast serves as a natural defense against mercury by capturing it.  (This also could explain the awful "die-off" symptoms people experience when treating candida--all that mercury is being released into the blood and tissues!)
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Not to say that mercury wouldn't enter into the horrors of die-off, Drive55, but the main cause of die-off symptoms is the toxin that the yeast itself releases when it is dying - hence, die-off! Anybody with this problem should (riiiight!) be glad when this happens because they are beginning to win the war. Every time another colony dies-off there is going to be an upheaval with pain in a person's body. I got rid of my amalgam fillings, too, but the dentist did not do the procedure correctly, so there was a LOT of this stuff blowing all over my mouth.  I didn't know until later how counter-productive this was.  Anyway, there is life after candida over-growth - I'm here to prove it!   Thankfully, there is much more information available today than when I had it twenty years ago. I see garlic is on your "list" so if I were you I would eat plenty of that or take it in supplements. There are other supplements that work, too, but I would have to look up what I was taking. At one time, people were using coffee enemas to just physically remove the colonies from the gut. I never tried that, but there was a time when I was about ready to try anything. Feeling as if you just crawled out from under a rock all the time is NO fun!
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Well Spring and Drive55 - I have also had my mercury fillings removed (incorrectly at that!)

For some reason, I imagined that Dr. D. KNEW ABOUT the mercury problem in tuna before he recommended it.  I mean, he knows, you know.  So, I assumed that he decided that the mercury in tuna just wasn't going to bother me.

IS THIS CORRECT, DR. D.???  


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Not to say that mercury wouldn't enter into the horrors of die-off, Drive55, but the main cause of die-off symptoms is the toxin that the yeast itself releases when it is dying - hence, die-off!


Ok, so when the poor little lysed yeast cell dies, the guts it spills out are the problem?   Not that I have any sympathy...

Thankfully, I've never had a cavity, doubly so, since I am a nonnie!  So no mercury fillings to worry about.  However, who knows what I've been absorbing from county water.  One of these days I need to check into that, and see if they fluoridate the water, and if so, how.  I did look at the water quality report on their website (from 2006), and it had no mention of mercury in the report.  Do they not even bother to check for it?
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We need to learn to love "sardines".....the smaller the fish, the less mercury, the bigger, the more.
I also had mercury fillings removed about 8 years ago when fighting a liver problem.  I remember cilantro being recommended, also n-acetylcysteine, or NAC.  Also alpha lipoic acid, which is on the beneficial supps for gatherers.  And yes, garlic helps with getting mercury out also.  So a pesto with cilantro and garlic is extra good.  I have also heard that broiling fish releases more mercury in the fat/liquid that drips down into the bottom of the pan, so it helps too.  
When I went through the mercury removal it was because I had a high level showing in a hair analysis.  I also remembered cleaning up a broken thermometer in the '80's when my kids were young.  But I had some ancient fillings that were probably leaching out.  My levels are closer to normal now.  Also, since doing this and dropping wheat, my liver enzymes are better....so I wonder what really helped the most.
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