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Lloyd
Saturday, January 26, 2008, 5:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Chloe


I played with the yesses and nos too to try and figure out which
questions pushed me more towards Genotype and which ones
towards BTD.  If you don't check you need to lose weight,
you're going to be pushed towards the BTD.  Arthritis is
going to push you towards the BTD as is chemical sensitivities.
I'm not really very overweight. I'm more sensitive, allergic
and achy from specific foods.  This is why the BTD was better for me than the Genotype diet. The Warrior diet contained too many inflammatory choices like dairy, chocolate, coffee, citrus
and didn't give me adequate detoxing supplements.  Both
diets are great, it's just a matter of finding the one that suits
you more perfectly.  For me, it's absolutely the type A diet
minus poultry, dairy, eggs & coffee.



Good analysis. Some people might find advantageous ways to combine the two, where a simple adjustment can be made for a specific problem.

I view this as something that might happen when SWAMI-GenoType is released.
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...yup. It's later, and the test confirmed my faith in the GTD.
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I just took the test and got "too close to call."  Then I used the back button and changed just "Do you want to lose weight?" from "No" to "Yes" and got the Genotype diet.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Spring - Nice post about your experience with candida (a few pages ago!)

I hope that I am only going through a detox.  I really don't feel that I have don't anything in particular to cause it.  I have taken probiotics and anti-fungals for years.  I never had a serious system rehaul in response to them, though.

In the meantime, I can't sleep well, I have a terrible cough, my lungs hurt, I have a headache most of the time, I am achey and weak, and my neck and back hurt.

Go GTD!


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Someone said something about back pain. I had a little more muscle soreness, too. Maybe that is some form of detox or change. I didn't change my diet too much anyway. The O nonnnie is similar to hunter, which I hope to be.
Don't quit too soon, everyone. Of course you all can do all the similarities in the BTD & GTD & not plunge into extreme differences, like an O adding too much diary all of a sudden.
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that's what I did, I guess. I plunged into cottage cheese like it was manna from heaven. It didn't work out with my digestion. Most likely it is something I could have once a month or so. I use manchego cheese ...a bit every couple of days, just because I think some dairy is probably good. (It's a black dot food, but sits better with me. and I'm not overdoing it)
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Why is dairy specifically good for any of the types?   I've read that 70% of the world's
population can't digest dairy at all, so how is it that every group gets some form of dairy?

It's not stated that we get it from grass fed cows or that it be non fat or full fat (or IS it
stated somewhere?)

Let's say we've come from Asia and have been eating rice, veggies and some animal protein
every now and then, lots of tea but not foods like chocolate or cheese.  How would an Asian
person suddenly start finding benefits in eating a food their entire culture hasn't eaten?




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In Dr. Ds ERFYT he addressed that issue.  He gave different portion sizes to different ethnic groups.  

Neither my son nor I have ever been lactose intolerant.  Were both Bs.  


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http://www.notmilk.com

Lots of scary information here.


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Quoted from Chloe
Why is dairy specifically good for any of the types?   I've read that 70% of the world's
population can't digest dairy at all, so how is it that every group gets some form of dairy?




Dairy contains some things that are valuable to each of the different types, slightly different reasons for different types.

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Lactose Intolerance is separate from genotype, so whether it agrees with you or not, doesn't depend on genotype.  If it doesn't work for you, you can leave it out, just listen to your body.

Commercial cottage cheeses often have avoids, or buttermilk or cream added to them after they are turned into cheese.  I can't find any without at least cream, so farmer's cheese agrees better with me.  Some ricottas are good too.  

As for me, I'm finding it agrees with me much better than expected, as long as I get some without ingredients I can't handle.  It's helping with hunger, and hopefully it's helping with my calcium needs.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I agree that dairy is bad for most of the world. However, I think that cultured dairy is the way it should be eaten. So if you think you can eat dairy, eat yogurt or cheese. Some yogurts & cheeses probably aren't cultured properly, so you dairy eaters need to check that out!
It is too bad that for so many decades the government feels that kids should get milk in schools. To me, it's about as bad as giving soda pop to kids.
Got milk? No, I don't!
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I have occasionally used ricotta, feta, pecorino romano and mozzarella while on the btd.  I have been eating cottage, farmers and ricotta on the gtd.  I have been gaining while following this plan,and
now I have a full flegded cold.  I still want to advocate the diet (gtd) but I am convinced that I am reacting to the dairy and also the beans...tried soup with cannelini, that I usually can eat.  Also tried white northern in a chili I made and lupini's from a jar.  
I, like Mercedes, feel like I can relate to the hunter, explorer and gatherer as an O....so I am going back to the wheat free, lower dairy, lower beans type O diet.  At least for now.  When I am well again, maybe I'll try the gtd again.  But I am also breaking out more,
which I blame on the dairy.  Maybe this is the kick in the pants to follow the btd more compliantly in my personal case.....not a bad thing!
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hehe, and the ranks of the expluntherer grow! Welcome Paula, Welcome!
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Quoted from Devora
Spring - Nice post about your experience with candida (a few pages ago!)

I hope that I am only going through a detox.  I really don't feel that I have don't anything in particular to cause it.  I have taken probiotics and anti-fungals for years.  I never had a serious system rehaul in response to them, though.

In the meantime, I can't sleep well, I have a terrible cough, my lungs hurt, I have a headache most of the time, I am achey and weak, and my neck and back hurt.

Go GTD!


Devora, I'm wondering what kind of anti-fungals you are taking. Another thing, I have another story about the castor oil. I was going through a very stressful time about eleven years ago and developed some sort of very painful inflamation in the lining of my chest which affected my entire upper chest - inside and out. I was given medication at the time which helped with the worst of the pain but I was left with a deep soreness all over my upper chest. About a year ago I decided to try castor oil on it because it dawned on me that it was pointless to be going around with that kind of pain if there was a chance that castor oil would help. Now, remember this had been going on for ten years...! I massaged the oil all over my upper chest really well and waited to see what would happen.  To my surprise within a few minutes the pain began to go away and the best part is that it has never returned. It was one of the most amazing things, and I won't soon forget it! Some types of knee pain respond the same way to castor oil. Shoulder pain sometimes only has to be treated once for a cure. It sounds to me as if you need some really good massages with castor oil all over your body. But not all at once. I really am curious about the anti-fungals. The reason being that I was on Nystatin a long time, too long, in fact. I didn't need it anymore but was afraid to stop taking it. I developed a swallowing problem and Nystatin was one of the things that I simply could not get down anymore as a liquid. I put the powder in capsules for a while after that and got them down with bananas, but I was taking about a fourth of the original dose. I began to notice that I was doing better and decided to stop it altogether. I was just reading your symptoms, and some of them really make me wonder if you aren't detoxing, but others I wonder if you're eating something that isn't working for you OR that you are being exposed to something externally that is making you feel terrible. I would drink lots and lots of water or other liquids for your lungs and the cough. I never take any pain remedies except an aspirin once in a long while, but some of these pain remedies that others have mentioned on this board might help you. If you get some relief from the pain, it might help you sort out what is going on. As you probably have already learned a long time ago, we have to be our own detectives sometimes. You may be feeling much better by now, and I truly hope so. This diet brings on more excitement every day for me even though I, too, am having some detox. I am still taking Deflect from NAP which helps me quit a bit. I love the ARA Plus caps too. That is great for the immune system and I think that is very important right now. Am not sure I will be giving these up even with the new supplements I will be getting later. Take good care of yourself!

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check the Castor Oil Liver Cleanse for explorers....


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Quoted from Lola
check the Castor Oil Liver Cleanse for explorers....



Lola, I've read that and was glad to see that it was included in this book. It certainly isn't as awful as some of the other castor oil cleanses I've read about!
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Spring,

Thanks for those wonderful health tips!  I shall head out to get some castor oil today!

I do'nt always take anti-fungals.  Usually I only take them when I am in a bad state, candida wise.  If things are only slightly bad, I may take Metagenics Candi-Bactin. If things are worse, there is nothing like Diflucan (flucanazole).

Lately I have been OK, so I have not been taking them.  I CERTAINLY wouldn't take them with a BANANA!!!  

I take VSL powder packets professional probiotic.

I may just have a virus, but USUALLY (or usually on the BTD) I was vertually IMMUNE to colds and viruses!  

I see you are from the southeast.  I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama.  I went to college at LSU.  Where are you located?    


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Thanks Mercedes, I love that term "expluntherer"!
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Spring,

Thanks for those wonderful health tips!  I shall head out to get some castor oil today!

I do'nt always take anti-fungals.  Usually I only take them when I am in a bad state, candida wise.  If things are only slightly bad, I may take Metagenics Candi-Bactin. If things are worse, there is nothing like Diflucan (flucanazole).

Lately I have been OK, so I have not been taking them.  I CERTAINLY wouldn't take them with a BANANA!!!  

I take VSL powder packets professional probiotic.

I may just have a virus, but USUALLY (or usually on the BTD) I was vertually IMMUNE to colds and viruses!  

I see you are from the southeast.  I grew up in Birmingham, Alabama.  I went to college at LSU.  Where are you located?    


Devora, I now take my supplements with apple sauce.    Even before I knew bananas were not my best fruit choice, I got tired of the hassle of trying to keep "just right" bananas in the house all the time. But I still think I like bananas - it has been so long since I tasted one, I'm not sure! About the fungal problem, it bothers me that you are still having intermittent overgrowth and the aggravation that comes with it. This diet may be just what you need to give this stuff the heave-ho once and for all. I have family living in B'ham, small world indeed!
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I played with the yesses and nos too to try and figure out which
questions pushed me more towards Genotype and which ones
towards BTD.  If you don't check you need to lose weight,
you're going to be pushed towards the BTD.  



I did this also....and found that if you clicked yes to absolutely everything except weight loss BTD is your diet.  My problem with this is no matter what the genetic problems are the better diet is always BTD if no weight issue!!!

    
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Maybe it's just a glitch with the little test....I don't know.  

My GTD book should arrive any day now.  I was so looking forward to a diet that would address the dementia, bi-polar and depression that runs through our family on both sides.

What to do?      
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My test said BTD, but I am finding the GTD is helping me a lot.  So I would say give it a try and decide for yourself!   Modify things to work for you.


Embracing my A-ness! (Ok, that is waaaay better in print than it is out loud! )

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Quoted from Gumby
My test said BTD, but I am finding the GTD is helping me a lot.  So I would say give it a try and decide for yourself!   Modify things to work for you.


Hear hear, Gumby!  I paid for that book, I'll be darned if I don't use it!  And if it doesn't do the trick for me, I'll go back to plain old BTD.
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You are so right.....I feel the same and I'll certainly be doing the GTD and see how it compares.

Maybe the test should have a review of the weights on the questions, as I couldn't get a recommendation for GTD without weight loss no matter what

       
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