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I find it interesting that a few of us B's (myself included) have been having issues with unstable energy and blood sugar crashes. I do not consider these to be symptoms of detox. And we are not the same genotype either.

I'm going to give it the old college try.. mainly because I think the theory/science behind it is fascinating but I was one of those people that did quite well on the BTD. So in the end...I am speculating that I will create my own synthesis that works best for me, keeping in mind the major premises/principles of both.


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kipperkid, I don't see goat cheese listed, just goat milk as a black dot avoid, so the goat cheese would be a neutral, unless I missed something


Yep, you're right.... guess I registered the goat's milk as black dot and assumed the cheese was the same.  I think it's going to take some time before these lists are correctly stuck in my brain!  So that's good, goat's cheese will be an occasional possibility.  I'm assuming sheep's cheeses are also neutral's since there is no mention of them.


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Quoted from Kristin
I find it interesting that a few of us B's (myself included) have been having issues with unstable energy and blood sugar crashes. I do not consider these to be symptoms of detox.

They can be symptoms of transitioning from one diet to another, though, especially from the standard American diet to the Type O BTD, for example, as the type of energy/fuel that the body runs on is TOTALLY changed from refined carb-based to protein-based.  Once the "gears shift", you are fine, MUCH better off, actually, but during the gear shift, there could be some grinding and some drag.

Perhaps for some, going from the BTD to the GTD also elicits some temporary blood sugar issues, as again, we are all still learning which of the new foods we do best on and what proportion of our diet which kind of food (like grains, veggies or fruits) should actually be on the new plan, etc.

That said, again, anyone who gives it a fair try and concludes that they do better on the BTD, more power to you, the BTD is righteous!  And anyone who doesn't even opt to try the GTD, as they are quite happy with the BTD, more power to you, too!  I'm just sayin' that I hope those who are trying the GTD will give it a good, long, fair try before concluding that it isn't as ideal for them as the BTD was/is.  Because, as with anything, there is a learning curve, in this case in terms of what foods of those we are adding back and of those that carry over from BTD can we use in place of those we are giving up?  And, like for O nons, now that we can have so many more grains, should we?  Or should we relax and enjoy the ones that are superfoods, but not up to the maximum allowed daily serving, instead opting to remain focused on veggies and fruits instead?  Stuff like that.  Learning curve.  That's all I'm saying.  Once you allow yourself to go through the curve with an open mind, then you ("you" meaning "we all") can make an educated, fully informed choice about which of the two diet systems works best for you as an individual.



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It is mentioned about "de tox" symptoms on the GTD, but what about the people who are very compliant on the BTD?  How much "de tox" do they need? It's not like they've been following a Standard American diet or something?  Unless they mis-calculated and think they're the wrong GenoType.  
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I don't know if it is because I am not 100 percent compliant, but I don't feel as full of pep and as energetic as I did on the O nonnie diet.  I was not 100 percent compliant on it either.  I am hungry more often and tired more easily.  I am seriously considering going back to my nonnie way of eating.  Does anyone else have these issues?


Just a quick answer, I was happy on the BTD and even better on the GTD, just love all those new items and I don't even feel that I need much detoxing. May even purchase a weight machine which I haven't owned since I was a teenager, just to monitor any possible weight loss (which is not my primary goal).
the logic of the new way really grabs me---lots of things other than blood type, feeding into the mix.By the way did anyone else see the news of an Australian girl who received a liver transplant some years ago and now has taken on the blood and marrow type of her donor? S'mazing.

Jenny




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Not meant to increase anyone's stress...but for the people who are struggling...is there any possibility that you are incorrectly typed?  I just had to ask, in case.  There are a number of people who started out on one plan and then figured out they were something else.

I had only great things happen when I started the btd cold turkey, so I have no clue about detox symptoms.  Makes sense to stick with what works for you.

I am feeling great on the gtd, it is cleaning up some remaining issues that the btd helped but did not completely fix.  I also have the support of a Naturopath for other types of testing and supplementation, which has been key for me.  I feel like it's aaaaallll comin' together.


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You're right Twist, I've never really  been a vegetable gal. I survived 20 years on only tomatoes, potatoes, carrots and lettuce. (Forgot to mention carrots earlier). Veggies I'm missing: my carrots (so I bought some today for on my salad!), cabbage, broccoli (I know you relate on that one ). I eat a bit of rutabaga and turnip (from bennie to neutral). I hate mushrooms. I was at a restaurant, forgot to tell them not to put mushrooms on and spent 5 minutes picking every little piece out of the roast beef and out from the mozzerella, because I find them so absolutely icky. I like onions cut up small, and cooked with other things. I don't like them as a side. Same thing with celery and  peppers I can eat them on a salad cut up small, but I can't take a julliened piece, stick it in dip and eat it. Basically, all I like on the superfood list is tomato (which I've always eaten daily, if not 2-3 times daily), spinach, peppers and onions, with the previous caveats. Doesn't leave me with much room. (Even when you add in neutral veggies, because I can count the ones I eat on one hand...)

So pretty much, I'm taking back broccoli, carrots, cabbage and sweet potatoes. I'm going to try to make sure I only have one starch at a time (No carrots and sweet potatoes in the same meal). I'm going to avoid spelt, but if I have if I'm not going to freak. I'm going to keep my canola oil. When looking closely at it all, I'll pretty much be skipping to the post black dot part of GTD. (Including bananas!! l))
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I wish there was a way to be absolutely certain that what some of us are calling food intolerances
or detox issues is maybe because we've mistyped ourselves and perhaps are eating (some) incompatible foods for our true genotype.

Even with the BTD, there were those who didn't quite perfectly fit with all the food choices
listed. For example, now the type As are divided into geno groups of  Warrior's bodies being more soy friendly and Teacher, not.

So what if there are more genotypes than the ones presented so far?  What if in time an
update to this book further divides some of us into more specific categories...those who
don't tolerate dairy, or possibly other foods.

The more people who try the diet, the more data that surfaces and the more there is to learn.

My gut feeling is that there are truly more genotypes than just these 6 or else sub-types exist.

I have mostly Explorer traits but the wrong rh factor and secretor status to be classified as such. I think there needs to be a way to put more people into this category of "sensitive
reactors" regardless of their physical measurements.

Just my two cents~






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I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!


Thanks so much for this.
  I was trying to eat it today and I had to disguise it with Tuna.  I'm now anxious to try this new way and have a new vegie in my life.  
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I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!


Oh, yes, broiled is the way to go. I also like a little grated cheese on mine (cheese makes everything better). Parmesan, romano and mozarella are all good choices, if you can have them.



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My sister in-law works at the ER in the hospital, and she says that everytime somebody comes in with a drug overdose, she injects them with some kinda chemical that completely detoxes them.. and every time, they go through a series of uncontrollable yawning.  Which apparently is the sign of detoxing.  Ever since I heard that, and maybe it's just my mind playing games with me, I start to yawn when my body clears out c**p I ate that I shouldn't have.. and then I get really hungry.   I can't seem to sleep when I have avoids in my body.  And when things are working well, I can sleep for 13 or 14 hours..  
So yeah, when I eat figs & things that were previously avoids, I actually feel kinda tired, but I feel better at the same time.  I dunno, it's weird.


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Kate, the first time I ever liked asparagus was having the fresh stalks broiled and served with a little olive oil and a bit of pecorino. Absolute heaven!

I'm going to give myself a good long time to experiment and see which aspects of the BTD and the GTD help me find healing. I'm with PT though, if anyone wants to stick with the BTD, go for it! Whatever works best for you is what you do.


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My sister in-law works at the ER in the hospital, and she says that everytime somebody comes in with a drug overdose, she injects them with some kinda chemical that completely detoxes them.. and every time, they go through a series of uncontrollable yawning.  Which apparently is the sign of detoxing.  Ever since I heard that, and maybe it's just my mind playing games with me, I start to yawn when my body clears out c**p I ate that I shouldn't have.. and then I get really hungry.   I can't seem to sleep when I have avoids in my body.  And when things are working well, I can sleep for 13 or 14 hours..  
So yeah, when I eat figs & things that were previously avoids, I actually feel kinda tired, but I feel better at the same time.  I dunno, it's weird.


Does Yawning Have a Purpose?


Yawning is as contagious as measles and as common as a cold. Just thinking about it can trigger a yawn.

Yawning is often connected to sleepiness, but experts say that's not always the cause. A yawn - which lasts about six seconds - can signal boredom, anxiety or even hostility. There's a greater than 50 percent chance that you will yawn simply because you see someone else doing so.

Yawning is not just a human response. Most animals yawn, including fish, birds, rats and snakes. Even fetuses have been observed to yawn in the womb.

Some benefits of a good yawn are that it exercises our jaw and facial muscles and stretches our lungs. It also increases blood flow to the brain, raises our heart rate and helps with breathing. The result is that we feel a little more awake afterwards.

The reason we yawn is not completely understood. One theory is that it is a protective reflex. When we yawn, we redistribute a chemical that helps lubricate our lungs. If we never yawned, taking a deep breath would be harder.

Frequent yawning can be linked to some illnesses. These include multiple sclerosis, Lou Gehrig's disease, heart problems or Parkinson's disease. If you have a cold, allergy or sinus problem, you may find yourself yawning more than usual, too.

Some believe that ancient tribes yawned to synchronize sleep times. Because the yawn is contagious, it helped tribe members to fall asleep at the same time. All of them would then be ready to start hunting at the same time. Another theory is that yawning was a sign of aggression among early men. The flashing of the open mouth and teeth warned others not to attack while they were sleeping.





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I love asparagus too!  I can handle eating canned asparagus but I like frozen or fresh when it is steamed.  I think I might like it a lot on the grill too.  I will have to try it that way. Salmon and asparagus - a meal in itself!!!
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I thought on GTD goat's cheese was a black dot for gatherers?  Have I got that wrong?  I kinda hope so, 'cos I used to have it very occasionally.


I used goat milk to make farmer's cheese, as I don't think the type of milk makes a difference in the rating and farmer's cheese is a superfood.  (Mozzarella is a black dot, whether it's cow or water buffalo, for instance) I don't know if I'm right in thinking that, but since goat milk is rated higher than cow's milk, I figured the SB cheeses made with goat milk would be even better than the cow versions.  Not sure.

I don't see goat chevre listed anywhere I've looked yet.



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Well, I have read almost every health book out there.

Because each body is unique and we may have medical conditions, we need to go gently and find out what works and what does not. I read it takes at least 3 weeks to break in a new habit and for our bodies to adjust to a new diet. So, I would give it at least a month.

One other thing, I suggest a detox first. I used a 21-day detox, but whatever works for you. This will flush your liver and give it a rest. We are assimilating so many toxins, both from the environment and from our food (all the hormones, antibiotics, pesticides, etc.) that our liver is working overtime. It cannot always process these toxins and it may be
stored in parts of our bodies. So, flush out and then introduce new foods one at time, in simple form and see how your body reacts. It so happens that with trial and error I did and guess what, it is compabitable with the Warrior diet. I see the Warrior diet as my maintenance diet.

Be flexible and listen to your body. Balance is the key. If we take too much salt or sugar we need to cut down and balance it out. Consider what conditions your body has and you may need medical help. I wish I had a doctor like Dr. D here in Tokyo. I would like to finetune what I ingest even further, especially in the way of supplementation.

One last thing, most of the books on diet and health agree, stay away from the 3 whites: wheat (processed), sugar and white rice. If you cannot get free range meat, stay away from it--too many chemicals inside the feed fed to cattle, pigs and poultry. Limit your dairy. And whenever possible eat a good portion of vegies, fruit and whole grains everyday. Fish is good if you stay from tuna and swordfish (because high levels of mercury). Well this is all very simplified of course. Whether you can tolerate meat, dairy and so on will depend on the condition of your body type and GTD or if you prefer BTD.

So, my feeling is that the other so-called healthy diets give you general guidelines which is a good start and gets you started on the road to healthy eating. But I chose Dr. Dadamo's
recommendations as I consider the diets are more finetuned and my body does well on them.

I have much more energy, now knee pains, I lost 6.6lbs in the last month and my chronic sore throat (had of and on for years) is gone. So, for my body, the GTD works!

There is NO perfect diet, not yet. But we are getting there. Meanwhile listen to your body, experiment and decide what is right for you.

(Didn't mean to sound so preachy. Just my thoughts on the subject.)

Wish I could meet you all!!! You are my BTD and GTD family!!!


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I feel much better on the GTD, personally... except for the cinnamon.  I just can't have cinnamon; I've tried it since GTD came out, and it gives me nosebleeds.  However, the GTD also gives me permission to have parmesan and romano cheeses, when I've been told I can never have dairy, since the age of four.  And, you know what?  I've been having no adverse results on those cheeses!

With that said, the suggested supplements on the GTD are much better in my opinion.  Unlike the BTD, they really target my inflammation issues much better, and I'm planning on buying the Hunter 3-pack when I get financially recombobulated again, now that I've fully withdrawn from my other grad program.  
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Chloe, I enjoyed reading about the possible reasons for yawning,  Thanks for posting them!

Also, I agree that having more than 6 GenoTypes makes sense or perhaps the main missing element is the difference between Secretors and Nonsecretors.

With gluten intolerance, I find it interesting that Dr. Kenneth Fine of EnteroLab https://www.enterolab.com/Home.htm has found that the majority of the people who test positive for gluten sensitivity are A blood types! He does stool testing, so are his results simply because As are more likely to be anal and opt for such testing? lol, probably not. He told me about the blood type correlation in a private e-mail. He collects a lot of data, so he should publish that if he's still finding it to be the case!

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When I started on the BTD, almost 8 years ago, I felt TERRIBLE for an entire month.  Only after a month did I begin to feel better.

While the BTD did solve my long term throat infections, and wile it did make me almost immune to colds, I still managed to

1) Develop signs of arthritis while on the BTD (let's say it was brewing in my system for years before that)

2) My candida problems never were resolved, and I had to stay on a very low sugar (fruit) and grain diet to keep the candida at bay.

I JUST RECEIVED my GTD book here in Israel 2 days ago, though I have been following the diet (via the GTD website) since Jan 1.  I find it funny that no one has referred to the Town meeting!  

I imagine that my body was in a balance of sorts on the BTD.  Only some bad genes had control in some aspects, and they had me pinned with arthritis and candida.  Now, I am starting to empower some different genes, and the whole town meeting has turned into a bedlam.  The balance of power has been effected, and no one is in control.  My newly empowered anti-candida and anti-arthritis genes want to take the mike, but a battle is ensuing.  Those old genes are just too entrenched in their power to step aside easily.  In the meantime, my health is the one suffering.

I can't imagine that I would go back to the BTD, period.  Why was I on the BTD if not for my trust in Dr. D.  I must trust him now, too.  

I would give it at least 6 months before considering what to do.  


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Devora - Well said!


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Devora,

My dad is a teacher, too, so I've seen firsthand what you're going through.

Being on the GTD is really recalibrating my body.  My metabolism is doing bizarre new things, and my abdominal fat is getting thinner.
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Yawning in horses is their way of coming down off of adrenaline. If a horse is all "fizzed up", and then the "threat" is gone, it will lower it's head and just yawn, and yawn. That is a good indicator that the horse is back in thinking mode.

So far, the GTD agrees with me. But.... I want a banana!!!! Argh... my hunters bananas in the fruit bowl are calling to me!! Help!


"Be as gentle as  possible, and as firm as necessary".   Tom Dorrance-the 'father' of natural horsemanship

How true, for life, parenting, horse and dog training!
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Some very good posts here. I think the more we understand about what is going on in our bodies, the more courage it gives us to keep up the battle. I went through a horrendous battle with systemic candida for a few years several years ago. One of the first supplements recommended to me for that was acidophilus - I was already taking a fairly balanced regimen of supplements. Weeeeelllll, the first day after I started taking acidophilus it felt exactly like there was a steel band tightening up around the upper part of my head and getting tighter by the minute. I was walking the floor crying and my nervous were shot. I desperately needed something to eat but couldn't even think WHAT to eat. The diet that was recommended for the first two weeks forbid anything but meat and carb free vegetables. After I got the hang of eating that way, it went much better.  Of course, the candida "die-off" toxin was what gave me the headache, and later I would have terrible abdominal pains when more colonies of this stuff would die off. There were all kinds of other pains popping up over a long period of time when this would happen in other parts of my body. I would get very discouraged, to say the least, but I had a very understanding doctor, family and friends. There were short periods of time, though, when the sun shined brighter than ever and I would be sublimely happy! Of course, that made the dark days even darker. The doctor had never in his life treated anyone with systemic candida, but he called specialists, read books and did everything he could to help me. During the worst of this problem, as anyone could imagine, I was deeply depressed because of the toxins. I felt exactly like something that had crawled out from under a moldy rock most of the time. In fact, mold was one of my greatest enemies.  All I had to do was smell the stuff and I would feel as if the entire floor had been snatched out from under me, and I would dissolve into tears. Open a an old book and I was done for. Even faint gas fumes affected me the same way. The amazing thing is that during that time I was hardly ever sick with anything else. People would look at me and think I was in perfect health!!! So, folks, I don't know what all kinds of problems there might be lurking in your bodies, of course, but my thought is this: if you want good health, you are going to have to work for it. There is no easy path. We live in a society that demands instant results, nothing less, but we need to be in this for the long haul. Or we could just quit now. It is our choice. I don't think I could have picked a worse time to start on this new regimen because of other very pressing things going on in my life, but I'm aiming at a very worthy, exciting goal. This board is a nice respite right now, as I feel it is for many others. So thighten up your boots and keep going forward - the next step might be the one that takes you right through the wall!!  
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Friday, January 25, 2008, 5:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I can't imagine that I would go back to the BTD, period.  Why was I on the BTD if not for my trust in Dr. D.  I must trust him now, too.  
  
But, from what I've gleamed, Dr. D hasn't thrown out the BTD, (otherwise I'd assume this site would be on it's way out), so following the BTD is not going against Dr. D.

LOVED Suzanne's blog , though I have to figure out where she's quoting from.

Fact is for me, the only thing BTD hasn't done is made me my goal weight, but for the last 6 months I haven't been exercising much like a good O, and pre-christmas was way too much grain, way too much sugar (ah, sugar, neutral on BTD... ) and not near enough salads. Nothing that was "cheating" but not following portion guidelines. So I can't even really blame BTD for not helping me lose weight the last little while when I haven't been doing all I need to. (And I spent three months this summer in the custody of an employer training me, and boarding me, and not permitting me eat anything other than what was served to me... there was no compliance this summer, but a lot of deflect taken). So for the last 9 months, I'd give myself a C- on a BTD report card. I don't think it's fair for me to blame BTD for my current weight. And, if unlike in other people's cases, BTD gives me perfect health, why should I change it? I mean, seriously, BTD got rid of acne, depression, migraines, asthma, GERD, bad PMS, and 30lbs.

It's not like it's an "unhealthy" diet- I eat healthier than 90% of the people I know. And I *think* I read here (perhaps I need to start taking notes...) that Dr. D said the GTD was in part developed because he had people BTD didn't work well for. Well, then technically, GTD wasn't created for people like me. GTD is still in it's infancy, and I'm sure that there will be refinements later. Maybe I have some gene that really does make me an expluntherer... or at least a huntherer.

At this point however, I gave the GTD three weeks, with no noticeable improvements, and only felt worse on it. Never had that problem with BTD. So I'm going back to what feels right, with a few new insights.
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