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meribelle
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I don't know if it is because I am not 100 percent compliant, but I don't feel as full of pep and as energetic as I did on the O nonnie diet.  I was not 100 percent compliant on it either.  I am hungry more often and tired more easily.  I am seriously considering going back to my nonnie way of eating.  Does anyone else have these issues?


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I may join you on this one!  I am starting to get sick (Lungs, throat sore) On the BTD I rarely if ever got sick (9 years!).

I am pretty compliant though.  I hope this is just some detox.


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I absolutely felt better on the BTD.  


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I'm not quite sure how I feel. There are other factors like the weather, the sick aunt, & less exercise because of the weather, so I'm not sure how I feel. The diet is about the same anyway. I'm trying to have less lettuce & tomato, the staples for salad in my life.  I had a couple of cans of chick peas last week, something I hadn't had in a few years.
We'll see what happens......
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I must say that in general BTD felt better... but I´m patient so I´ll se what happens


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Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  



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Last night I decided I can't do gtd any longer. When I started BTD, I only ate iceberg, tomatoes and potatoes for veg. I looked at my list and tried a bunch of things- now, most of the veg I liked are avoids, and all the ones I couldn't bear to eat are superfoods. I'm not eating enough veg, and I'm feeling totally run down. Plus, I'm starting to get mild asthma like symptoms when running again, and I don't know if it's related.

I'm going to try and take some gatherer principles (like low GI, no soy) and apply them to BTD, and maybe try gtd again later, but right now, it's just not working.
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The simple answer is to use what works best for you. If BTD works better, that's fine. Incorporating principles from the GTD into your BTD diet is also a good idea.
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Guys, if there is one thing that all the D'Adamo diets teach us, it is to listen to our own bodies.  So anyone who chooses the BTD based on that has my respect.  That said, I just want to say that I think what some of us are experiencing with the switch could be a classic "detoxification" process.  It sounds weird to posit that because we were already on the purest of diets, although, I suspect I'm not the only one that went a tad or so haywire over the holidays, and remember that the GTD came out just after the holidays, so some of us were far more infused with junk and avoids than usual.  But, just say that you were perfectly compliant over the holidays, there is still a transition from BTD to GTD, especially for O nons, because we are kinda sorta the most grain-sensitive type, and we are going from virtually no grains to a plan that is much more liberal on grain quantities, as long as it is the right grains for us.  Ditto for dairy.  There is bound to be a transition/adjustment period.

I have experienced the same things you guys are talking about, but I'm opting to give it time, because I see the detox I've gone through as a major POSITIVE, actually.  I had just been through some massive stress and there is nothing like an intense cold to literally let it all flow out of you, in terms of stress hormones, toxins, germies, anything and everything that your immune system chooses to "reject" while in high gear.  So I just rode the wave as a positive thing.  And now I feel...BETTER!  As in, a lot better!  Better than I did before the cold.

As for the veggie-on-the-Gatherer-plan thing, specifically, I've struggled with that, heck, I have a thread on that very topic, but I'm realizing it is a matter of a learning curve, just as it was way back when with the BTD.  There ARE veggies we CAN and SHOULD enjoy and we just need to figure out which ones we have access to and enjoy most and get to the business of enjoying them in recipes wherein we used to use broccoli or whatever.  I do think it is a challenge to eat enough veggies daily anytime you up your grain intake, and the Gatherer/G2 diet, for one, does up the grain intake sharply from the O nonnie diet.  We're talking SHARPLY.  If you find that this is tending to squeeze out the veggies from your daily diet, I totally understand and share that experience, and I used to feel that way and post about it on the BTD, too, whenever I would up my grain intake for any reason, remember?  I would say, gee, I notice when I cut out grains completely, that the best part is I eat way more FRUIT, mainly, but fruits and veggies.  Conversely, when I eat grains, my fruit intake drops and so does my veggie intake.  Solution?  Be AWARE of this and consciously choose veggies and fruits instead of grains when possible.  My goodness, guys (and I say this to remind myself as much as anyone else), we need to realize:  no one is telling us we HAVE to eat as many grains as are allowed in the GTD guidelines, just that we MAY, and that it is OKAY to eat the right grains for our type.  But some of us know that for us as individuals (and thank you, BTD, for this knowledge), veggies and fruits are preferable to grains, or at least, it is necessary to ingest veggies and fruits every day, and if something else has to step aside to make room, it should be grains.  So, by all means, if you are feeling that you are eating too many grains (as I am--not so much too many grains, but not ENOUGH veggies), then check yourself.  Say, "Self!  What veggies am I going to have today?"  I made SURE to buy veggies last night when I grocery shopped.  I discovered some frozen superfood veggies I had not noticed before at the HFS, such as strips of mixed bell peppers (yay!).

What I'm saying is, if anyone ultimately chooses the BTD instead of the GTD, no problema at all, they are both amazing and powerful plans.  But I just implore everyone who has chosen to give the GTD a whirl to give it a fair try.  Think back--waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, for some of us--to when you first started the BTD.  Even if you had nothing but positive physical/health changes from it, was it all smooth sailing as far as giving up familiar staples and figuring out what you could have on the BTD instead?  Exactly, it wasn't, so why expect the GTD transition to be a cakewalk, ya know?

I say:  give 'er a chance, explore new veggies and other superfoods, be open-minded and creative about it.  Then if you still feel that the BTD was a better diet for you, by all means, choose the BTD.  But you may be surprised that the GTD gets easier and easier and you start feeling better and better.  Sort of similar to how our parents, who were clueless and knew nothing when we were teens and young adults, suddenly got a lot wiser and smarter as we got older and wiser ourselves!



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I like the advice, Lloyd and PT! I'm going thru an adjustment and readjustment phase, myself.


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well folks, for me, the GTD is better. I began to feel I don't need all that beef....and I really really missed grain. I don;t care if its millet or quinoa...I love them. Now, cottage cheese I cannot do, but use goat cheese(chevre ) once in a while (love it)...its a neutral. It's a great diet for me.
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I haven't always felt great, but I am losing weight, so it's normal for me to have some negative symptoms whichever diet I'm on (gatherers store lots of junk in their fat, so when it gets burned, the junk starts running amuck again)  I've been a bit grumpy, is the worst part of it.  

I can't wait for my sauna to arrive!  I get cold when I'm losing weight, especially at this time of year.

I'm tweaking a few things for me, and cutting back on the dairy and oats a bit.  I tried making cheese out of goat's milk, and it tasted great, but it may have upset my tummy, whereas the cow version doesn't...weird.  Not sure, since something else could have caused the trouble.

I'm also in unfamiliar territory adding some of these new foods, and have purchased the wrong things for me a couple times (had trouble with enzymes in a storbought farmer's cheese, due to my corn derivative allergy, methinks)


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I thought on GTD goat's cheese was a black dot for gatherers?  Have I got that wrong?  I kinda hope so, 'cos I used to have it very occasionally.

I'm at work, so can't check my book till later.....

I need more time to decide which is best for me, at the mo, I am tending to think GTD - I seem to have a bit more energy and I am managing to be a bit more compliant than I was on BTD.  On the other hand my weight is still up and down like a yo-yo and only time will tell whether the generally trend is still upwards or starting to go down......

I'm struggling with the meat frequencies, as I do like my meat, but I've definitely eaten too much beef this week!

I would certainly say if you've given GTD your best shot and it isn't working as well as BTD did for you, then go back to BTD.  If that's what made you healthy, no contest!!!


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I see your point twist, but it's not that I find I'm becoming reliant on grains, and eating grains instead of veggies. I'm just not eating anything in place of my veggies. I literally gag when trying to eat anything green and cooked, besides peppers. So I'm not eating three meals a day and the two I eat aren't always full meals, and I'm not eating regularly because I'm not looking forward to eating (Sorry, you can't sell me on the glory of asparagus )

And actually, my transition to BTD was pretty fantastic. It wasn't that tough of sailing at all. So many times I tried things to sub for avoids and was like "this is great" or at least "I can eat this and enjoy it". Not so with most of my GTD veg list. And I didn't have detox with BTD- I instead just had all these irritating health probs disappear.

And not trying to sound holier-than-thou, but I didn't go on a binge this holiday season. The *only* BTD cheat I had was a piece of tourtiere (wheat crust, some pork in filling). I made spelt and kamut stuffing, I made an oatmeal cake for dessert, I was a good girl.

At this point, I felt better on BTD with excess (and some avoid) dairy, than I do on GTD with canola oil and sugar in the mayo. Maybe when I've had time to expand my palatte, I'll give GTD another try. Or look at it this way, I'm going to transition to GTD, but it's probably gonna take me two years before I'm done that 6 month period
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If you need 3-6 months with no toxins at all, I don't see me ever making it!! That sounds an impossible mountain to climb as far as I'm concerned.


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I'm all for staying on the diet that makes me feel best. I felt fairly good on the BTD, but could not lose the stress weight that I accumulated over the previous year and a half. Now that I'm following more of the guidelines of the GTD, the weight has come off and stayed off so far. Basically, I'm still on the BTD, with the added features of not eating chicken, eating more apples, pecans, and walnuts, and more eggs, and adding back in more cultured dairy. Other than those biggies, I'm still eating like an A secretor.


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If you need 3-6 months with no toxins at all, I don't see me ever making it!! That sounds an impossible mountain to climb as far as I'm concerned.


Just do the best you can  . I find that the more specific and debilitating the individual diseases are, the more compliant the person is willing to be. It all depends on what you as an individual are willing to do for yourself.


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Cool, Drea!!


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kipperkid, I don't see goat cheese listed, just goat milk as a black dot avoid, so the goat cheese would be a neutral, unless I missed something


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Well, you'll never hear me say a word against the BTD, because I can't, I love it, it loved me, we were a match made in my DNA, what can I tell ya?  But I feel that the GTD zooms out the camera to take a panoramic picture of my DNA, not just blood type.  I feel this could be the start of something great, people!  I'm certainly going to give it a good, long try.  At first, between coping with my dying kitty and coming down with coldzilla and all, I really couldn't judge, but even then I instantly felt more "relaxed" when shopping, like, it was joyous reaching for those superfoods, especially the old and much-missed BFFs like oatmeal and cottage cheese, and making new friends like ostrich and bison.  I can't wait to try ostrich again when I can actually TASTE it, as opposed to when I was coming down with coldzilla and barely could.  Even then, I could tell it had this great taste like very lean beef or something.  Coolio!

Not only is there something relaxed and relaxing about the GTD to me, but again, even if I was getting this cold anyway, I think somehow the G2 diet helped it "go deep" and clear out a lot of pent-up toxins and other stuff that needed OUT.  I could feel my body letting go of toxins, stress, etc.  I could actually feel it all flowing out.  The sound effect for going onto the G2 diet for me would be "aaaaaaaaaaaaaah".  NICE.

I've had some struggles with not eating enough veggies, but I just need to get myself and my choices calibrated properly on this thing, and I'll be off to the races.

Make no mistake:  the BTD is still a part of me.  Sometimes it will inform my diet choices.  Sometimes, where the two diets conflict about something, you just never know, I might "veer BTD".  Maybe just once in a while.  Maybe all the time on one specific thing.  I don't know yet, I'm still just getting into this thing and figuring out how it fits and how I want to "tailor it".

Mercedes, what veggies did you eat before that you are so missing now?  It sounds like you don't much like any veggies, at least any green ones.  Tomatoes are a Gatherer superfood, do you like those?  And onions, and mushrooms, they go well in so many things.  Mushrooms!  Yes!  I forgot to get some of those last night!  See, I'm still trying to retrain myself.  Years of breezing past mushrooms and I breezed again yesterday *lol*.  I also love bamboo shoots, but I am going to have to figure out where, if anywhere, I can get some high-quality, good ones around here.  And don't forget neutrals like green beans--wait, they are green and you don't like anything green, so okay, what about artichokes?  They went from beneficial on the BTD to neutral, but hey, neutral is allowable and artichoke hearts are great in basically ANYTHING (I am talking about the fresh ones, cooked and then taken out from the leaves, and drowned in some ghee and sea salt, or pesto, or used in any dish in place of, say, sweet potato...oh yeah, babe!).

Next time I shop, I'm going to remember things like artichoke and mushroom, etc.  I think I just need to get the hang of things.  There ARE veggies we can have, guys!

But, hey, anyone who chooses the BTD is choosing a glorious diet, far as I'm concerned.  It's a win-win situation:  BTD, GTD, it's all profoundly good.

I'm just choosing to try this new thaaaang and see how she goes.  So far, so good!

edited to add:  the more I have a think on the whole concept of MUSHROOMS, the more excited I'm getting.  I think a lot of this is just a matter of retraining ourselves and learning that, while we have to give up some old friends, we also are geting a LOT of foods BACK and we just probably haven't even comprehended it all yet, ya know?


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Peppy, I just love your enthusiasm!


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Peppy, I just love your enthusiasm!

  Hey, all I know is:  Dr. D. has never steered me wrong yet, so I'm just going to let the man do the driving!  Eventually, I'll get the hang of the new car.



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Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  



I don't think reflux is a detox symptom.  It used to be problem I had before I started on the
BTD because I was eating way more animal protein than I could tolerate.  The "A" diet is
more plant based.  I've never had reflux on the A diet.

Can you test your saliva's ph and see if you're alkaline or maybe too acidic?  Often when I
was too acidic, I would have reflux.  You might need to eat a more alkalizing diet. (more
fruits and veggies).

Have you been tested for H Pylori?  Or are you eating way more protein than before and possibly don't have enough HCL to break it down ?  Possibly you can try digestive enzymes. Or probiotics.  Chew your food very carefully.

I can only suggest to you what helped me when I felt I had a negative reaction to an abrupt
change in my diet..  I went back to the basic type A diet (In your case, type B) and stayed there a few days.  Waited until I felt fine and took one new food and tried eating it often.   Kept everything else the same.  Then eliminated one food from the toxin list.  If you do this one food at a time and keep a food diary, you might  figure out what caused your reflux.



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Quoted from Lisalea
Hi everybody,
As for myself, the last three nights my reflux's been worst than ever and I've had to further lift my bed to try to get some sleep ...  I'm being quite compliant with GT, hence this is really frustrating and confusing  

Can it possibly be a severe detox symptom  and has anybody else had THAT type of detox reaction  

Any advice would be really appreciate ... Please share folks, thanks a bunch  



Foods known to aggravate GERD


Citrus fruits
Chocolate
Drinks with caffeine
Fatty and fried foods
Garlic and onions
Mint flavorings
Spicy foods
Tomato-based foods




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(Sorry, you can't sell me on the glory of asparagus )


I don't know how you are preparing your asparagus, but have you ever BROILED it?  I (used to) take FRESH thin asparagus, trim it, toss it with a little olive oil and lay it out on a sheet pan.  Then I'd sprinkle it with a bit of sea salt and broil until slightly browned and then flip and brow the other side.  

On the BTD, I'd do that instead of french fries (they are THAT good!)  I don't like mushy asparagus, so I don't eat canned or boiled asparagus, and you'd have to do a lot of convincing to tell me that frozen is much better.

I hope you try the asparagus the way described above.  It's SO good!


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