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I wasn't expecting a serious review of the diets, but to have Joy standing there mugging and making ignorant negative comments was rather offensive. That said, it was still better than I expected. I thought the review would be presented by some of the regulars, which would have been completely ridiculous as none of them, Whoopi aside, has a lick of common sense or intelligence--JMO.

Dr. D, you are the Charles Fort of personalized nutrition. I'm sure if CF was still around he'd include both the BTD and the GTD in The Book of the Damned.


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Peter D'Adamo: The Mitt Romney of nutrition.


My description of Mitt Romney is this:

"Get me a guy from Central Casting who looks Presidential"



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Peter D'Adamo: The Mitt Romney of nutrition.


More like the Nostradamus of Nutrition... apparently decades, if not centuries, ahead of your time... even with modern advances in health science.

I wonder what Isaac Asimov would have thought of your books.
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"Get me a guy from Central Casting who looks Presidential"


And the funny thing is, I was registered with Central Casting when I lived in Hollywood three years ago.  *L*
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thanks for the link to the view, Ron!
Brighid, I also drooled over the lamb 'shashlik'!!
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a form of Shish kebab popular throughout the former Soviet Union and Mongolia.

yummmm!!


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Well, is there any chance that this show can be viewed online?  I'd like to see it.


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Well, is there any chance that this show can be viewed online?  I'd like to see it.


I posted the link on either page 2 or page 1 of this thread.
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Well, I watched the segment after work Friday and I am so glad I had read what there was of this thread FIRST, because otherwise I might have gotten REALLY upset at Joy Behar's behavior, but instead I just had to laugh, thinking of all the reactions/comments here!  

When I read the comments before seeing the show, I thought "Oh, I'll have to judge for myself because Joy has that sarcastic NYC 'tude going and a lot of people don't 'get it' and/or misinterpret it", "it" being that "New York state of mind" that I love but some folks misread as rude, quite often.  Well:  nope, that wasn't a NY humor thing, that was a RUDENESS thing:  How rude!  What is her ever-lovin' problem?!!!  

I mean, she was just plain, outright, downright, RUDE.

On the one hand, I like the fact that, obviously, the hosts of The View express their true opinions about products being reviewed, whereas on some shows, they all fawn all over whatever said product is, and one must wonder if that is part of the agreement to show the product on some shows.  Well, no such wondering need occur here because they just felt free to say WHATEVER, now didn't they?  Which I'm all for, speak your mind, but what IRKS me is:  speak your mind if you know what you are speaking about, but if you are ignorant of a subject, then listen politely and shut your pie hole!  Or at least do something that falls somewhere on the large spectrum between shutting your pie hole and totally dismissing and trashing something that you know zero about in an utterly RUDE way!!!!

omg.  omg.  OMG!

I agree with those who commented that the doctor who presented and described the three diets under review was excellent.  You could tell that he had actually read all three books carefully, and he presented each diet in a respectful way (even that "tea diet" thingie, which imho was...well, I will refrain from being a Joy Behar *lol*, as I have not read the book, but to me, it seems a little...um, in a different league from Dr. D.'s work, shall we say?).  I could totally tell that he had read the Genotype Diet and understood even some of the finer nuances.  So I was impressed with him and his ability to present the diet in an accurate, complete-as-possible-within-30-seconds way, and also respectfully and in a neutral, non-biased manner.  Too bad he broke that mold when he got to the Ornish plan and kept saying how much he loved that diet.
(Reductionism, anyone?)

Anyway, Joy Behar...I think she might benefit from a little yam cream rubbed into her skin transdermally or something.  Something is not in balance there.  Her meanness and dismissiveness gene has taken over the "town meeting"!!!  

Meanwhile, there is no tea that could ever replace potato chips.  Get real, people.

Seriously, though, it is true that tea lessons cravings and jazzes up one's metabolism, and I'm all upset because as of this morning, we have a new coffee machine at work and instead of a nice spigot of hot water from which I can fill my whole Thermos in one fell swoop, there is now this little area where you have to set a TINY cup, and the button gives you the amount of water that fills about 1/4 of that TINY cup, an amount roughly equivalent to the old polio vaccine (yes, I'm just barely old enough to remember it--it was pink and I was a tot and thought it must be a special treat because look at the long line for it, what of it?).  It will take me all day to get my Thermos filled and now my entire diet is in jeopardy...but I digress!  More on the hot water crisis at my office anon, but suffice it to say that the entire process now is reminiscent of Sawyer trying to get a "fish biscuit" on LOST.  But the topic here is a review of The View segment:

Bottom line:

1.  The doctor who presented the diet did a surprisingly accurate, thorough and respectful job.
  

2.  Joy Behar has incurred my wrath.  She was just plain rude.
        


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I most certainly do not agree with everything that Oprah does...

I think she is the most overrated person to come down the pike since Henry Kissenger.  ...I mean, she is not as overrated as he was, for sure, but still, overrated.
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...but I AM very impressed that she has managed to create possibly the only entertainment/talk show in existence that is nearly always positive and treats every guest with dignity and respect

When it started, it was trash TV.  I do give her credit for making a conscious decision at some point to elevate it from that, and she has really elevated it greatly.  Her heart is in the right place and she tries to do good with the power she has, I'll give her that, too.

Still...for various reasons, I'm not that impressed with her and I feel she is very overrated.  The one area she is not overrated in is that she is an excellent businesswoman.  Gotta give her extreme props there.



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Now, if truth be told, I've got sweaters in my closet with a higher I.Q. than Joy Behar.


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Well said!

As Harlan Ellison said once, 'everyone is entitled to his or her informed opinion'. Somehow I don't think that's standard policy on the View (to be fair, it isn't SOP much of anywhere else on tv either). If Joy had tried the BTD and found it lacking, her remarks might be understandable. Otherwise, she's just being a yenta, and a mighty shrewish one at that IMO.

Oh well. Meh. Consider the source.


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The good news is, any viewer out there who is thinking of going on a diet for any reason and saw that show would, imho, be left more with an impression informed by the decent description given by the doctor who presented it than by Joy's behavior, because I'll bet that any regular viewer of "The View" is used to her pretty much having that exact same kneejerk reaction to everything.  So they probably thought "That's just Joy.", whereas if they had any interest in learning Thing One about any of the three diets being presented, I'll bet they listened to what that doctor said and gave it far more weight.  ...Which is great in the sense of that he did a pretty impressive job serving up "The Genotype Diet in One Soundbyte or Less", but bad in the sense that his obvious preference of the three diets presented was that reductionist Ornish monstrosity, wherein all foods are literally reduced to a number, reminiscent of Weight Watchers' "point system", which is one of the many reasons I detest WW.

Anyway, if you distill this whole View segment down to its most basic essence, I think that the net resulting concoction is a 100-proof pure shot of good PR for the Genotype Diet!  Joy was just some added "color".



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TV shows are out for the ratings and advertisers pay a lot for shows that are on the top.  The
View is rather an interesting mix of hosts.  Joy Behar did stand up comedy before coming on this
show and will do anything for a laugh. I think we all have to take these people with a grain of
salt.  They aren't doing research, they aren't necessarily giving "informed" opinions.  They often
love controversy as was seen by the Rosie/Elizabeth fiasco.  I quit watching that show when
Meredith Viera left.  At least she was a bonafide reporter with decent credentials.

I guess what bothered me most watching Joy was that we knew that she was uniformed about
the Genotype Diet, but did the viewers who never heard of this diet get a fair and unbiased
opinion from someone informed?  NO! I thought Dr. Smith attempted to focus on the facts
and managed to squeeze in some decent information, but it would have been a much
better presentation had Dr. D been there to explain his own book.  Too much was lost
in translation and I agree P.T, JOy's behavior was totally RUDE!


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...I agree P.T, JOy's behavior was totally RUDE!

Yeah it was.  There is just no getting around it, she was over the top in the dismissiveness and rudeness department.  I really feel and think, though, that it reflected on HER, not on the relative merit or non-merit of the Genotype Diet.

To me, the lamb kebob looked fine.  It was Joy who came across as "the most disgusting thing I've ever seen!"



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http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/ask

If anyone would like to comment on the way Joy Behar handled her job hosting The View
when Dr. D's book was presented, this would be the place to say something!


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I just wanted to be proactive.  Made me feel better.  And besides, the "Warrior" in me had
no choice but to DO something!

Here are my comments to The View.

"Joy Behar's rude behavior during the Friday presentation
of Dr. Peter D'Adamo's new book, The Genotype Diet was totally disappointing. Ms. Behar attempted to influence the viewers in a negative way by making inappropriate comments when she heard that this was the same man who wrote the book, Eat Right For Your Type.  Regardless of her personal views or her experience with any diet of Dr. D'Adamo in the past, I felt she was totally unprofessional in choosing to use negative words, by referring to the lamb  as "disgusting" and commenting, "Oh, not HIM again" when she heard the doctor's name mentioned.  I'm sure if Dr. D'Adamo was present, she might have behaved differently to his face.. so in his absence, I believe she owed this brilliant man the respect he deserved for writing this book.   I would hope she'd apologize for her actions on the air at a later date."


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Joy said "Don't we already know this already?" when the Doc was talking about Ornish's diet.

That was her attitude about the whole thing. She already thinks she knows it all. Her ignorance (ignorance - root word 'ignore') shows she wasn't listening. You can't teach someone who isn't listening. (Two ears, one mouth Joy.)

Despite the possibility of her comments from keeping someone from seeking out the wisdom of the GTD and Dr. D - they gave everyone in the audience a copy (Oprah started this trend) and Dr. D got major exposure. (Yay!) [The Doc did a great job plowing through the material in a nanosecond.]

I'm an Explorer - and my coworkers always want to know what I'm eating.

I bet Joy doesn't cook. It takes some effort to improve your health. And some observation of your body and it's responses.

The flippant, "Entertain me now" attitude of people like Joy Behar is not good for more than a Hollywood soundbite of vapid titillation.

P.S. Thanks for posting the link to the View segment.


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Oh, that reminds me of one more point:  As was alluded to earlier in this thread, when that good Dr. (Smith?) was trying to explain to her that the G2/Gatherer genotype is a "thrifty" type, she wouldn't let him get a sentence out to explain what that concept meant, then because of her own interrupting and dismissiveness, she totally misunderstood his partial answer that she interrupted, then she dismissed the concept out of hand, based on her misunderstanding of it.

I got whiplash from that part.



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AND (one more thing, sir, I'm in "Columbo" mode):

IF she is a Gatherer, she really didn't get the "sweet" part of the genetic profile expressed at her personal town meeting.  It got shouted down, apparently.


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Apparently Joy Behar operates on magical thinking, like way too many people...

...She thinks that if she doesn't have a taste or interest in something such as science then, magically, it can't possibly be inescapably relevant in her life.  It isn't really real until she lowers her regal scepter upon it and recites her lordly mantra of acceptance.  Until that time, her saying "I don't buy it" makes it unreal and untrue.  But, like Horatio, there are more things between heaven and earth than are dreamt of in Joy Behar's philosophy... and the fabric of the universe itself simply doesn't give a fat damn what she approves of, as being true.

The truth is that the validities and relevancies that science uncovers are not actually affected by whether or not they appeal to us.  Logic is logic, and the truth is the truth.  And an interest, even an obsessive one, in science is a matter of the utmost urgency in life.  Behar's contemptful lack of interest in anything outside her comfort zone, such as a genetic, scientific approach to diet, is dangerous.  

And, as far as Ornish goes, what he ultimately peddles is a smug contempt for real innovation and nonconformity... His "spectrum" system, based on the arrogant, tired, and stodgey notion that the health value of food items should be graded based on their degree of fresh unadulteration is yesterday's fetish.  It's been done to death, and it clearly hasn't produce a lasting solution.  

The fact that yet another MD is promoting a position that is ultimately just stodgey and political cowardice (or perhaps it's mind-numbing arrogance... that's probably closer to the truth) is not surprising.  What is surprising is that, given the track records of MD's, they so conceitedly and astonishingly still expect to be listened to.  

And, beyond that, what's even more horrifying is that masses of overconfident, traditionalist sheep are, indeed, still listening to them.
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That was her attitude about the whole thing. She already thinks she knows it all. Her ignorance (ignorance - root word 'ignore') shows she wasn't listening. You can't teach someone who isn't listening. (Two ears, one mouth Joy.)
Agreed.  Behind her ignorance, is arrogance.

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The flippant, "Entertain me now" attitude of people like Joy Behar is not good for more than a Hollywood soundbite of vapid titillation.
Also agreed.
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P.S. Thanks for posting the link to the View segment.
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Don't you find though that Joy's response is somewhat typical in the fact that most people in our culture do not want to participate in their own wellness - they want the pill, the quick fix.  

We've been somewhat programmed to think Western medicine is the savior of all, one pill at a time, even though all of its "miracles" come after its self-created issues.  All the while, ancient medicine or ancient future medicine like the genotype diet are discounted because people don't recognize the miracle of preventative, patient-involved wellness.  

Grrrrr!     (End of rant.)  


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doesn t the world have its share of 'Joy Behars'?  
negative and totally empty 'know it alls', who believe they re so wise and charming!
I just ignore them.....

they personify the loud destructive genes at the mic during the town meeting!!!


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doesn t the world have its share of 'Joy Behars'?  
negative and totally empty 'know it alls', who believe they re so wise and charming!
I just ignore them.....


I ignore people like this too when they are simply rambling about issues that don't concern
me, but it felt satisfying  to voice my opinion to the show that pays her salary
after she offended a man I respect.  Sometimes it pays to take a stand and stop allowing free speech to be biased and mean spirited!  Don't forget that Dr. D just published a brand new book that deserved to be accepted fairly, without prejudice or snide remarks given it
was being presented in his absence.

I would hope anyone who saw the show and felt personally offended by Joy Behar's "attitude" would make their feelings known to The View!

And NOW, I'm going to stop giving this very pathetic and unfunny woman any more of my energy~  


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