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Yep.  Fridays in February are 1, 8, 15, 22, 29.  


Oh, my goodness, leap year! One of my old girlfriends has a birthday this year, lol.

Hey, how often do you see 5 Fridays in Feb.?


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... and if they don't say very much about the GTD, maybe somebody could post it here, for the benefit of us impoverished souls with dial-up Internet access?  Or if they DO say very much, at least the gist of it?  


Maybe I'll actually watch it, but ...  ... I may not be done with my morning puttering by then.  



Here's how the View went today.  First Whoopie talked about gaining weight back after she
was a spokesperson for one of those dieting clubs...The then show opened with a guy who lost 400 pounds without bypass surgery and introduced his personal trainer/motivator....then 2 women were interviewed who did lose weight with bypass but one gained
80 pounds back.  They then went onto a woman who wrote a book about losing weight
after pregnancy and answered a lot of questions from Elizabeth who seemed to be
needing some of this info after her recent delivery.

I might be leaving something out.  Lastly a doctor presented 3 of the new diets.  Dr. D
wasn't there nor were the other two authors.  There were 3 tables set out and the 3
diets were presented by the doctor.  First was a diet about tea..a book that promotes
weight loss through drinking flavored teas....chocolate flavored teas and others that would
help people to lose weight.  One host tasted some of the teas and seemed more interested
in actually eating a piece of chocolate.

Next, the Genotype Diet was presented...POORLY, I must say.  The doctor (not Dr. D, but
the View's own doctor/spokesperson) named the 6 genotypes.  Joy was already rolling
her eyes and making faces when she heard that the author of The Genotype Diet was the
same person who wrote a book about the blood types.  I would have thought the presentation
should have been neutrally handled, but truthfully, Joy made the diet sound awful without
ever trying it or bothering to learn much about it.

Only 3 genotype plates of food were on the table...and in comparison to the other two
diet books being presented, this looked pretty pathetic...Joy held up a piece of meat
and exclaimed "WHAT IS THIS?"  to which the resident-doctor/moderator said it was lamb.

It was over pretty quickly and next they went onto Dr. Dean Ornish's book called The
Spectrum Diet.  I already read the book and it's really not new information.  Basically
says that whole foods are more valuable to one's health.  BUT, the presentation for this
book was very showy....and many plates of food filled up a far larger table than that of
The Genotype Diet, which only had 3 plates and they sat on a tiny table.

I would surmise from the doctor presenting this that he liked Dr. Ornish's book the best and
wanted everyone to know this..although he did say he was a Warrior, and showed his fish
on a plate and told Joy she was a teacher.

This wasn't a good promotion for The Genotype Diet. If anything, being it was shown
nationally, it was a negative.....and a bummer to watch!



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My best laugh of the hour: Joy picked up a beautiful lush kabob of grilled lamb from the GenoType diet display table and said 'that's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen!' while I was saying out loud, 'MAN that lamb looks good!' HAH! It's all a matter of perspective.


I noticed that, lol.

Agreeing w/Chloe re: the comparative fuss made over the Ornish diet.
The tea 'diet' was given as short shrift as the GTD, but the GTD was treated rudely by Joy, I wish they'd used a more relaxed open-minded host to be with the doctor then. >(


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Wow.  I hope my VCR behaved itself and will allow me at least to see or hear the recording (usually I get a little bit of one--seeing or hearing--and none of the other).  Brig, Joy's "That's disgusting!" remark, doesn't it remind you of our collective co-workers and their reactions to our homemade lunches and/or offerings at Temptation Island?  Sad.

As has been said, if the diet was mentioned and the book cover flashed on the screen, that is huge.  HUGE PR right there.

Did Whoopi say she has no appetite all day?  The thing with her is, if I'm not mistaken, she chain smokes.  That could explain the suppressed appetite.

Isn't it sad that Joy felt the need to say "That's disgusting!" about a beautiful kabob of a whole, delicious, natural, nutritious, high-quality, nutrient-dense food like lamb?  What they should do is a piece on famine in the world, juxtaposed with all the over-processed junk American supermarkets are flooded with, and then overdub her comment of "That's disgusting!".


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PT, wo-hoo!

Tho I must say, I was also wondering what's that re: the kabob. There was so much meat crammed on the stick it was hard to tell!


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There are definitely a few thrifty hosts on the show.


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Isn't it sad that Joy felt the need to say "That's disgusting!" about a beautiful kabob of a whole, delicious, natural, nutritious, high-quality, nutrient-dense food like lamb?  What they should do is a piece on famine in the world, juxtaposed with all the over-processed junk American supermarkets are flooded with, and then overdub her comment of "That's disgusting!".[/quote]

Peppermint Patty could have done a much better job~





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Nuff said for me,,,,,I'm not even going to bother watching the show. I recorded it, but don't need to watch that!!! Well...all I can say is.......all in good time my pretties, all in good time. Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha    



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And how the flip does their in-house doc know what genotype Joy is?  You can't tell just by eyeballing her.  She would have to do her measurements, blood typing, ETC.

Jeepers creepers (where'd you get those peepers)!



I will watch my tape but, oh dear.  Talk about reductionism and sound-byte-ism and judgementalism and fluff-ism and Ornish-ism run amok!

If Rosie O. had still been on, and had she dissed the GTD, she would have had all of us pack of Dr. D.'s hounds RELEASED upon her and we would have made Donald Trump look like a six-week-old Persian kitten.

As it is, I shall view Joy's comments and decide if we need to RELEASE THE HOUNDS!



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It was lame.  The doctor did well explaining it if it weren't for the 2 girls.  The whole audience got the book though!  
I thought the Ornish diet looked pathetic.  The Dr. sure sang it's praises though.
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And how the flip does their in-house doc know what genotype Joy is?  You can't tell just by eyeballing her.  She would have to do her measurements, blood typing, ETC.

Jeepers creepers (where'd you get those peepers)!



I will watch my tape but, oh dear.  Talk about reductionism and sound-byte-ism and judgementalism and fluff-ism and Ornish-ism run amok!

If Rosie O. had still been on, and had she dissed the GTD, she would have had all of us pack of Dr. D.'s hounds RELEASED upon her and we would have made Donald Trump look like a six-week-old Persian kitten.

As it is, I shall view Joy's comments and decide if we need to RELEASE THE HOUNDS!



Well...thank you...you've supported my "Peppermint Patty (and Elvis) theory that you can't
look at a person and be sure of their type.

Perhaps in house doctor knows enough about Joy's obvious physical features to have made an educated guess.  The shape of her face...the fact that she might look padded. Maybe Dr. D told him in advance?  It would have been great if in house doctor had measured one
person's fingers and torso/leg length to show how to arrive at typing oneself.  I thought
he called her a Teacher, but it might have been that he said Gatherer.

Honestly, this segment featuring the Genotype Diet was less than 3 minutes long. And way
too much focus was on that hunk of lamb that repelled Joy... Certainly not enough time to have done this book or it's concepts any justice.



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Well...thank you...you've supported my "Peppermint Patty (and Elvis) theory that you can't
look at a person and be sure of their type.

In order to accurately determine someone's genotype, you have to do the measurements, blood typing, etc., however, in the context of the discussion in which you mentioned your thoughts on it, you were wondering how they determined the genotypes of the famous people they listed as examples, and for that purpose, I feel that an "outside looking in" approach is fine, as they are just trying to illustrate what the types look like, physically, just to paint us a picture.  To me, it is tacitly understood that we don't really know their types for sure...especially that of the enigmatic Peppermint Patty, who is known for being a riddle wrapped in a puzzle and tucked neatly into a conundrum!




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In order to accurately determine someone's genotype, you have to do the measurements, blood typing, etc., however, in the context of the discussion in which you mentioned your thoughts on it, you were wondering how they determined the genotypes of the famous people they listed as examples, and for that purpose, I feel that an "outside looking in" approach is fine, as they are just trying to illustrate what the types look like, physically, just to paint us a picture.  To me, it is tacitly understood that we don't really know their types for sure...especially that of the enigmatic Peppermint Patty, who is known for being a riddle wrapped in a puzzle and tucked neatly into a conundrum!




You're too funny~  



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Actually...I think the identifying of Joy Behar as teacher GenoType was in reference to her career as a teacher before becoming a professional comedian.

Don't ask me how I know this...  


Then there was some mention of gatherer... but so not getting it.

The doc did list all the GenoTypes without missing one. Heck, I can't even do that yet. Even with a notecard... lol!!


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Next, the Genotype Diet was presented...POORLY, I must say.  The doctor (not Dr. D, but
the View's own doctor/spokesperson) named the 6 genotypes.  Joy was already rolling
her eyes and making faces when she heard that the author of The Genotype Diet was the
same person who wrote a book about the blood types.  I would have thought the presentation
should have been neutrally handled, but truthfully, Joy made the diet sound awful without
ever trying it or bothering to learn much about it.


Joy Behar can be very close-minded when she wants to be... and, all too often, she wants to be.

What's amazing is that she's not afraid to be outspoken on the things she believes in -- it's almost a compulsion, actually -- but, clearly, if something hasn't yet gotten behind her psychological wall, no matter how logical or evidenciary it is, it's going to receive all her best mocking derision and scorn.
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Joy...interesting name for someone who is very clearly not joyful in any respect.

ANYWAY, the thing about PR is that you cannot control what someone says about you.  Particularly when they are coming to the party with a pre-concieved opinion.  Fortunately, we have literally millions of people (like all of you) who can attest to the revolutionary work that Dr. D. has done for the past 25 years.  IMO, it's best to get the word out and let people decide for themselves.  All 200 audience members received a copy of GenoType.  I think once they actually READ the book, it can't denied that there is something REAL here.  

There will always be those people who will dismiss any new concept, particularly when their minds are closed to any idea that goes beyond their comfort zone.   Joy would have probably argued that the world was flat

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I TVo'd it. I watched the 600 lb. guy...very good for you! Then just kept going until Dr. D. The Dr. was Dr. Ian from the celebrity fat club. I didn't think he was reading from a card but he could have been. I expected more flack from him but I felt he was very kind and even mentioned he was a warrior and the hag next to him was a gatherer. As you can tell I'm not too fond of the View either...Aani


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'MAN that lamb looks good!' HAH! It's all a matter of perspective.

more a matter of lack of culture, I think!
if Joy only knew what she s missing out on......lol
someone should send her off traveling, and learning.....
ignorant to boot!!!


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I liked Ian Smith and was glad he knew his Genotype.. Warrior.


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I recorded it, but haven't watched it yet...

The View is an entertainment show, not a news show, so it seems like they accomplished what they set out to - entertain, whether positively or negatively.

I most certainly do not agree with everything that Oprah does, but I AM very impressed that she has managed to create possibly the only entertainment/talk show in existence that is nearly always positive and treats every guest with dignity and respect (even when Oprah herself does not like them).  Have you ever noticed that she does not invite people on her show or cover topics only to "slam" them?  Pretty unique.  

I doubt Dr. D would ever be invited on Oprah (or any other diet/lifestyle guru, for that matter), since she is clearly 100% invested in Bob Green, but if he was at least that would be a situation in which he could properly explain and discuss his life work, even if Oprah did not agree.


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OK, I just watched it and I didn't think it was that bad.  Like I said, this is not the show to watch to get detailed and useful info on diets...  The guy did a good job of summarizing the info in the far-to-short amount of time that is usually devoted to such things on TV.

I am an optimist and believe that most people are smart enough not to make decisions about diet based on two comediennes' reactions after 10 seconds of explanation...  People who want to invest time and energy into their health will find out for themselves and now they have awareness of GenoType that they may not have had before.


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Does anyone have the audio from the segment, if so could you send me an mp3 file? I'd love to do something with the clip where she says 'Oh, that guy again?'


Sad, but I've had far worse done to me.


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Okay, so here's the link to the actual review of the Genotype Diet on The View:

http://abc.go.com/video/index?channel=TheView&clip=78682

I have to say that it really wasn't as bad as I expected.  The presenter actually seemed to understand the details of the genotypes... However, he claims that the Ornish diet is superior, because it also encompasses the importance of things like meditation, lifestyle, and so on...

...Obviously, he didn't really pay attention to all the mountains and mountains of lifestyle prescriptions in the GTD.  

I am also pretty disturbed by Ornish's claims that everything should be eaten "without guilt", and that the "key" to good health is to eat things in their natural form, which is clearly not the solution.  Just because something is more natural, that doesn't mean it's safer.  The key is biocompatibility, and that is determined by actual physiological biochemistry, and the biochemistry of whatever is being ingested.  Or, as I'm fond of explaining to people, "Ingestion is transfusion".  

In other words, Ornish is an overrated, puffed-up fool.

But, then again, Ornish has the "MD" after his name, which is apparently Hebrew for "Moses Declares" or something... so people nod in conditioned obedience, unquestioningly, and continue keeling over dead from stratospheric cholesterol, triglycerides, cancer, and diabesity... good and dutiful boys and girls, all.
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