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Kale and broccoli are both goitrogens and carrots and sweet potato are higher on the GI scale, so I get WHY they are black dots...
  
Well, I don't, because some of the goitrogens listed in your link are Gatherer beneficials/superfoods, such as millet, spinach and peaches.  ???

And about carrots and sweet potatoes and the glycemic index, carrot juice and sweet potato are ranked "low" on the GI (see link:  http://209.85.207.104/search?q.....k&cd=1&gl=us).

*sigh*/serenity now!  I'm just trying to go with the flow...but the undertow keeps pulling me back to broccoli, although I'm resisting!

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...these foods [spinach, salad mix, bell peppers, celery, green beans] and most fruit are all "cold" foods according to Chinese dietary therapy, and therefore not a great choice in cold weather or for people with Yang deficiencies (like me!), so I need to tweak this a bit I think.

Fascinating point!


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Well, I don't, because some of the goitrogens listed in your link are Gatherer beneficials/superfoods, such as millet, spinach and peaches.  ???


Good point, haven't actually looked at that list in awhile...  

My understanding was always that the cruciferous veggies were the worst for thyroid inhibiting activity, in addition to soy, which I don't know as much about, since I don't eat it...  I never thought that peaches, peanuts, etc had anything to do with it.  I wonder if there are different degrees of severity here.

As for GI, I have never been able to reconcile the different lists I've seen with each other, much less with my own experience and perception.  However, there are fruits on the Gatherer diet that are likely higher GI than carrots, for example, so maybe there is another reason why carrots and sweet potatoes are black dots?  In fact, the Gatherer diet seems to be low on root veggies in general, so maybe there is something else considered there.

I miss carrots.


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Fascinating point!


Before GTD came out, I was gearing up to write a blog about Chinese dietary therapy, but now that I'm rejigging my own diet and busy, busy, busy, it hasn't got done yet!  

However, I am doing  a presentation on the topic in February, so there will be a blog soon!

It's interesting, actually, because a typical Gatherer very possibly has one or more Yang deficiency patterns, according to TCM, which line up somewhat with hypothyroidism in western medicine.  However, trying to transition to the Gatherer diet AND eat warming foods and follow other Yang deficiency recommendations (like zero raw fruits and veggies allowed!) is impossible.  


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Before GTD came out, I was gearing up to write a blog about Chinese dietary therapy, but now that I'm rejigging my own diet and busy, busy, busy, it hasn't got done yet!
I shall look out for that with great interest. I was told by my TCM practitioner here that one easy way of helping yang deficiency was never to drink cold drinks. Always let them warm up to room temperature at least, body temperature at best. And never have smoothies/ice-blends. When I first came out here two-and-a-half years ago, I was always too hot and drinking cold drinks to cool me down, and as soon as I stopped, my own thermostat kicked in and I stopped getting overheated.

I've noticed that Chinese workmen don't drink cold drinks when they're working outside in the hot sunshine. They drink warm tea instead, which looks bizarre but obviously works.

Oh and back to the veggie discussion (sorry to sidetrack there! ) have you tried wilted salad? You can do this with all our green leafy veggies, right at the last moment before dishing up the rest of the meal. Heat up a glug of extra virgin olive oil in a frying-pan. Add the chopped leaves and a sprinkle of herb salt, paprika and umeboshi plum vinegar, add a splash of boiling water out of the kettle (which should sizzle), and shake it all up to mix the flavours. Put the lid on and turn the heat off. Call the family away from the computer/TV, put the meat/carbs on the plates, (call them again ) then the leaves will be ready to serve. Sorry I don't do measurements except creative ones  


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I love baby spinach and baby romaine with red onions and celery too.  I used to make a carrot, onion, celery salad, but now instead of the carrots I use zucchini and/or red peppers.  Don't forget your salad base can be neutral...just add the supers to it.

What about okra, fiddleheads and zucchini.  Great with onions and red peppers in a stir-fry.  Yummilicious.

I know what asparagus is...what is asparagus pea?  Nevermind, I just googled it.  Hmmmph...I thought the O nonnie diet was expensive and difficult at first.  

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Well my HFS has frozen goat. For somethings like Stilton cheese I have to drive all the way over to New Orleans though. I'm cautiously optimistic over this new Nomad diet. Between last thursday and this wednesday I lost another 3.5 pounds for about 10 since before Thanksgiving.  That kind of freaked the Doctor out along with my HDL climbing from a low point of 32 to 49. Still have high triglycerides, though lower, and my LDL of 4. Total cholesterol to HDL ratio of 2.49.  She asked what I was doing. Maybe in a few months more I'll clue her in. I started to be saying I had cut down on wheat and got "but you still need carbs" Telling her that there were still sweet potatoes, oats and rice calmed her down though. Not really being all that carefull about the avoids but have added a lot of the diamond foods like kiwi and of this last weekend beer for the first time in 6 years. Strange, beer a diet food?
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OK, I have another take on this whole GI thing...  There are really two factors to consider here:

Glycemic index tells you how FAST the substance turns into sugar, but doesn't reveal the overall effect on blood sugar levels
Glycemic load takes into account the GI and the amount of carbohydrate to be converted to sugar, so this is much more useful for understanding the effect on blood sugar

Glycemic index alone is not a very useful tool, because while something might release sugar quickly, if there isn't much sugar there to begin with, the effect on blood sugar is negligable.  For example, watermelon is considered high GI, but it is low GL, so it will not spike blood sugar much unless you eat A LOT of it.

So, both factors need to be considered together.  If we look at the Gatherer diet, it seems that it is not just about GI (if it was, watermelon wouldn't be a diamond superfood).  

I just did a quick search on glycemic load and found that watermelons, peaches, and grapefruit (Gatherer diamond superfoods) are all much lower in glycemic load than bananas and sweet potatoes (dot toxins)...

This is by no means and exhaustive analysis, and it still doesn't explain carrots (which seem low in both GI and GL) or yams (which seem high in GL), but I think it helps to make MORE sense out of our fruit & veggie situation.

Some links on Glycemic Load:
Wikipedia
Table of GI and GL
Harvard med School


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The same idea probably also applies to goitrogens.  We have some lists of foods that contain goitrogens, but in what amount?  What effect do these foods have on thyroid function overall?  I did a quick search on goitrogens but all I found were more lists...

I suspect Dr. D has both the access to information and the time to actually investigate these issues sufficiently to make dietary recommendations on them and that this is what he did while writing the book.


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OK, I have another take on this whole GI thing...  There are really two factors to consider here:

Glycemic index tells you how FAST the substance turns into sugar, but doesn't reveal the overall effect on blood sugar levels
Glycemic load takes into account the GI and the amount of carbohydrate to be converted to sugar, so this is much more useful for understanding the effect on blood sugar

Glycemic index alone is not a very useful tool, because while something might release sugar quickly, if there isn't much sugar there to begin with, the effect on blood sugar is negligable.  For example, watermelon is considered high GI, but it is low GL, so it will not spike blood sugar much unless you eat A LOT of it.

So, both factors need to be considered together.  If we look at the Gatherer diet, it seems that it is not just about GI (if it was, watermelon wouldn't be a diamond superfood).  

I just did a quick search on glycemic load and found that watermelons, peaches, and grapefruit (Gatherer diamond superfoods) are all much lower in glycemic load than bananas and sweet potatoes (dot toxins)...

This is by no means and exhaustive analysis, and it still doesn't explain carrots (which seem low in both GI and GL) or yams (which seem high in GL), but I think it helps to make MORE sense out of our fruit & veggie situation.

Some links on Glycemic Load:
Wikipedia
Table of GI and GL
Harvard med School

Whimsical, you've done it again:  GREAT post.  Not just good, mind you, but great.

Glycemic load:  yessssssssssssss!  It's all starting to make sense now...kinda sorta...except for the broc and kale.  But GL is a much less "reductionist" approach than GI, and we know our Dr. D. is all about approaching things holistically.

Meanwhile, back at the inn, I am realizing more and more, as I've been posting in other posts, that I think our collective (i.e., all us G2s) angst over our veggie sitch is based on the fact that we have not retrained our brains yet from BTD and we just need to figure out what veggies we CAN have in place of the ones we have to give up, and the world will make sense again.  Like, as I've said but it bears repeating, I bought some frozen mixed bell pepper strips to stock my freezer with last night, in addition to the asparagus and green beans.  I have a bag of onions in my fridge, and that thick, chunky, homemade (by the HFS) tomato marinara they make.  Hey, if Reagan thought ketchup was a veggie, then surely this fabulous superfood marinara counts.  And now I'm thinking a lot about MUSHROOMS, as what is to stop me from just sashaying into the store and BUYING SOME, pretty as you please?!     See, on BTD, I would never have done such a brazen thing, but NOW:  oh YEAH, babe, let's push through that invisible barrier and get to the SUPERFOOD!  And what of artichoke hearts, which, true, are merely neutral now, yet they could certainly go in place of sweet potatoes (I'm talking about FRESH arti hearts, not the marinated kind, but fresh steamed...oh yeeeeeah, babe!) in anything.

I mean, we just need to realize that, for everything we are asked to give up, there are ALTERNATIVES that we are getting BACK.  This is the thing that I, for one, was not fully grokking until just this very day!

Hang in there, people!  Mushrooms, artichoke hearts, bell peppers, all these things will get us through!


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Kukicha is twig tea (made from twigs and bark from the tea plant, Camellia sinensis) and is therefore extremely low in caffeine, in fact it is considered the lowest in caffeine of teas made from the tea plant.

Often, kukicha (twigs and bark) is mixed with regular green tea (leaves), so if that is what you are drinking, then yes, it does have caffeine.


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Earlier in the thread, you mentioned squash bening a dot or avoid. I noticed that 'butternut' is listed under veg. proteins. Maybe you can get it after all!
I wonder what they mean by squash being an avoid. Does that mean winter squashes or does it mean yellow squash?
Zucchini is listed on either hunter or gatherer, but yellow isn't listed anywhere. Clarification, please!
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There is a nut that is called butternut and a winter squash called butternut. Two entirely different things unfortunately.
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This is by no means and exhaustive analysis, and it still doesn't explain carrots (which seem low in both GI and GL) or yams (which seem high in GL), but I think it helps to make MORE sense out of our fruit & veggie situation.


It also does not explain basmati rice, which according to this site and others I checked, has a pretty high glycemic load, way higher than some of our toxin veggies & fruit.  

Obviously Dr. D considered more than just GL, but I am still feeling puzzled over the carbohydrate recos in the book since the frequencies are the same (2-3 times daily) for all genotypes except Teachers, which are 2-5 times daily.  

I am finding in this last month of doing GTD that I now have a "gut" resembling the one I had before I started BTD.  Back then I could never understand why I was not overweight but my midsection was bloated so much!  This seems to be a result of white basmati rice now, even if I stick to one serving of 1/2 cup cooked.  I don't think quinoa (which, coincidentally has a much lower GL value) has the same effect.  I'm starting to wonder if this is just too many carbs for this O-non and I need to tweak the frequencies around.

Thoughts?


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Like the dairy situation, I'm sure that the carbs need to be lessened for certain folks.
As for the gatherer veggie sitch being dire, I think it can be. I love veggies & today if I were a hunter, I was completely compliant as far as I know.
If I am a gatherer, I ate several avoids (incl. dots) of various foods - 2 fruits, broccoli, chicken, rice, etc!
The situation would be very dire & I don't think I can do 3-6 months on the gatherer diet aas far as fruits/veggies are concerned.
  I guess no matter what our GTs are, we will all be complaining about something!!
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Here's the list I'm using at the moment (which includes beans, nuts and seeds):
almonds and almond butter, cannelloni beans, great northern beans, white beans, green beans, peas, asparagus, celery, mushrooms, onions, pecans, bell peppers, chile peppers, pumpkin seeds, shallots, spinach, tomatoes, turnip greens, walnuts, and zucchini. I'm also using neutrals like lettuces, spring greens and artichoke hearts. So for me there's plenty to work with here. I plan to add more veggies like okra and fiddlehead ferns, and other things I haven't had much experience cooking or eating.

Check out the recipe for mini zucchini frittatas I posted in the Cook Right forum over the weekend--easy peasy, tasty and good for you too!


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Kohlrabi is now neutral for us gatherers and was beneficial on the BTD. It works well in stews and soups too. Goes really well with lamb and barley to make a hearty soup.  
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Okay, update on the G2 veggie sitch:

I think, as with everything when you first start a new diet, it is just a matter of a learning curve and getting used to things.  My old BTD ways of broccoli and sweet potato as staples are contraindicated now, so I have found some new things in the frozen food section of the HFS to replace the broccoli florets, including but not limited to:  asparagus spears and tri-color bell pepper strips.  The problem with the latter (the pepper strips) is that they cook down to practically NOTHING.  Then we have the former (the asparagus) which takes forever TO cook *lol*.  But I really, really like the asparagus.

I've also been buying bags of green beans, which are light, refreshing and versatile.  I'm trying to focus more on the asparagus, though, as it is a superfood and green beans are neutral.

Today, I'm thinking of getting some fresh mushrooms.  It has been years since I enjoyed mushrooms!

I'm still finding it a bit challenging to eat enough veggies daily, between my old staples now being toxins to avoid, and also the fact that I'm eating WAY more grains on my GTD than I did on my BTD.  Oddly, I always noticed that, if I cut out grains on the BTD, I ate way more fruit (which was a GOOD, good thing for me), and vice-versa.  Whereas, with the GTD, I notice that with adding IN more grains, it is the veggies that are going by the wayside, frighteningly.  I do tend to eat enough G2 fruits such as grapefruit and grapefruit juice, lemon juice, etc., but if I don't consciously work it at, it would be very easy for me to simply replace every speck of vegetable in my G2 diet with GRAIN instead.  Very easy.  That is what I tend toward if I don't intentionally steer myself towards the veggies.

Tonight, I am going to buy some bags of salad veggies.  I know most of the veggies (lettuces) in the mix are merely neutral, but I'm finding I really need to get in some fresh veggies and there is nothing wrong with some friendly, phytonutrient-rich, chi-laden, fiber-sporting, variety-adding neutrals in this man's army, right?!

So, now that I've been on the Gatherer diet for a bit, I'm finding that it is still a daily challenge for me to incorporate veggies, to choose veggies over grains, but I am on it and I can do it when I set my mind to it!

Thank goodness for asparagus, bell peppers, green beans, salads and mushrooms.  ...'shrrrroooooooms!  I can't wait to enjoy them again!

How are my fellow G2's doing in the vegetable department?  Any thrilling discoveries?


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I'm still not doing well enough w/ gatherer veggies. I have added, what I had eaten years before, cooked escarole & endive. Most people eat them raw, but they are delicious cooked IMO. Of course, unless you get really fresh ones, they are a pain to clean, but don't seem as bad to clean as collards. They also cook much faster in comparison.
Another problem is getting more superfood meats as beef is only a neutral. We have a lot of it from buying a half animal.
ALso lamb is more expensive & where do we get ostrich??
It's sad to know that for so long beef & bananas were bennies for Os, & now are very mediocre for gatherers.
I'm kind of thinking of straddling the fence with veggies until SWAMI gets going. Who knows? If I get the money & time, I can do better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for listening to my ruminations.
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here's my fallback: onions. sauteed, they can go with any meal, including and especially brkfst! they cook up while you scramble your eggs. Now if you work and can't cook in the morning it still would be a good light supper. "eggs, onions and mushrooms." And by the way, green beans are a superfood under vegetable proteins. And hello? spinach!!! which I love. but it still isn't as easy as the "O" vegetables. I'm having a black dot food tonight. I'm putting sweet potatoes in with my roast. For the granddaughter, (yeah, right).....
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If your sautee mushrooms in ghee or olive oil maybe with a little onion then poor beaten eggs over it to make a frittata it is a very quick and easy breakfast. Of course as a nomad I also add a little jarlsberg cheese. It's still good without it though, just add herbs of your choice.
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Although juices counted as fruit under BTD, I think they count as drinks under GTD, so don't be fooled into thinking you are having more fruit than you are.

Oh, and watermelon.  I left out watermelon!  I could live on it, it is so fiiiiiine.  Love it.



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...green beans are a superfood under vegetable proteins.

           JAYNEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Jayney, Jayney bo baney, bananafana fo faney, mi my mo Mayney:  JAYNEY!!!!!!

This is HUGE!!!!!!!

I had not seen that, I just assumed that green beans were neutral since they aren't listed under veggies!  But no!  NOT neutral!  Superfood!!!!!!  There they are, listed under vegetable proteins!!!  How totally tremendous can something GET?!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this fabulous bulletin!!!!!!!

Green beans are a superfood!!!!!!  YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

OMG, now that I'm noticing "vegetable proteins", which apparently I have never looked at before **, guess what else is in there, duuuude?  PEAS!  Peas, I tell you!  PEAS!

omg, omg, omg, omg:  So green beans and peas are both superfoods!  That is two more veggies under the superfood category, G2's!!!!!!

Green beans are the HUGE one, though!  These can now be a staple, which is great, as they are cheaper than the asparagus, and a little more versatile.

Jayney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, boar expert!*     



* You're a LOST fan, you'll get that Sawyer reference, yes?

          


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Time to make split pea soup. It's super easy with a crockpot, some onion, some indian type spices, and some turkey.
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Time to make split pea soup. It's super easy with a crockpot, some onion, some indian type spices, and some turkey.



I'm starting to LOVE this Gatherer diet so much!!!!

Last night, I had a salad with a dressing made with cottage cheese.  Of all the foods the GTD has given back to me, I think I appreciate cottage cheese the most.  Dang, it is nice in a salad dressing.  I made the dressing out of cottage cheese, pesto, lemon juice, olive oil, sea salt, and then one avoid was that I used a LITTLE bit of this seafood-cream-cheese spread that the HFS makes (I mean, a little--like, one tablespoon).  OMG!  Even if one had not been a bad pup like moi with that seafood spread, the dressing would have been wonderful.

All the G2 foods come very, very naturally to me, it's almost weird how I gravitate toward them.  The BTD felt natural and right, too.  This just seems even more so in most ways.  ...Though I still miss the BTD in some ways (sweet potatoes!  broccoli!).  It is very nice after so long on the O non diet to be able to eat more GRAINS daily, as it was very hard to do the whole "zero to one serving per WEEK" thing for me.  That said, when I actually went grain-free on the BTD and intense on the fruit smoothies was when I had the best results EVER, both health AND weight-wise.  But, thing is:  that is all well and good but it is so, so, so hard to SUSTAIN a grain-free lifestyle in this society.  At least, for me it is.  I give full props to those who can do it.  This is just much easier for me.  More relaxed.  Plus the superfoods all feel like "M'but of course!"  It's sort of that feeling I had when reading and starting the BTD of "I knew it all the time, I KNEW these things were good for me, even when the whole world told me they were bad, and I knew these other things were bad for me, even when the whole world told me they were good!", only multiplied exponentially.  That feeling itself was more intense with the BTD because I was coming out of decades of the world telling me to eat nothing but eleven servings of pasta per day and no fat and no red meat, ETC., so with the BTD, it was more of a "Thank GOD I've found you!" feeling.  With the GTD, I'm coming off of already eating very healthily on the BTD, yet there is that feeling yet again of:  oh, yeah, I knew that!  It isn't as pronounced or intense because my change in lifestyle isn't that pronounced or intense, but it is way more individualized this time.  It's like, oh, yeah, I knew I missed oatmeal this entire time and couldn't shake that, I knew I missed cottage cheese, I knew watermelon and grapefruit were bennies (i.e., superfoods) for me, etc.  I can't explain it, but it's like  ...okay, maybe this will be a way of describing it:

The BTD was like coming home
The GTD is like finding my own room



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Some ideas for veggies for Gatherers (and these are just a very few of the many ways to combine superfood veggies):

~~sauteed onions, peppers and garlic with roasted meats--also a good base for stir-fry. Try adding fresh ginger and garlic and a fresh peach chopped in pieces, or a little fresh pineapple, or both--fantastic!

~~roasted asparagus--just brush fresh asparagus spears with some olive oil and roast, you won't believe how elegant and delicious this is! Good with any meat or for breakfast with a frittata.

~~steamed zucchini with onions, garlic and fresh basil

~~fresh or frozen green beans cooked with a little olive oil, summer savory and chopped onion

~~fresh or frozen peas lightly cooked with mint

~~stewed tomatoes with onions, garlic and basil--OR with onions, cumin and chiles


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