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Chloe
Sunday, January 20, 2008, 5:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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There are other things to consider.  How "clean" are the foods you're eating?  
Grass fed beef/dairy products?  I did eat dairy from grass fed cows to test out my quark so I
know I did find the best choice possible and it's still an allergic food for me.  I think
organic produce and pure water might not have been emphasized adequately in the GTD
book. i find both to be important for my overall health..

Regarding aches and pains...Does  anyone have Dr. Theodore Barody's book, Alkaliize or Die?  Arthritis, he says is a condition of acidity.  I went through the food lists he presents and chose the foods that were most alkaline (foods also okay for type A and not bad for a Warrior). I focused on staying alkalized since Friday.  I'm feeling more balanced today.  So, the adjustments we make have to come from many schools of thought.  I'm not saying that the GTD is not going to work for me long term, but I'm now thinking about the properties of the food itself and how my body is reacting.  I certainly wouldn't want to walk around in pain
and choking on the excessive mucous that dairy products give me...  AND, curiously, do we even know or understand why any specific food on the "diamond" starred column was chosen for our genotype in the first place?  That would be an interesting bit of information to
understand.

I keep having to remind myself that the purpose of the GTD is to be manipulating our genes
so they won't turn on a disease process. And if the foods with diamonds are the ones to
concentrate on specifically, it might be easier to just test those foods out first.


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Curious
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Curious what exactly are your issues?  If they are arthritis related possibly you should follow the food and supp protocols recommended in Dr. D's Arthritis book...  

Funky, I have a prolapsed disk between L4 and L5. The pain is in my right buttock and right leg. I don't have arthritis. The pain has been manageable while I was on BTD, but got really bad since I have been on GTD.
I printed out the lower back techniques on "the stick" (thank you very much for the link!) and will give them a try. I do have a thing which enables me to do stretches.
Jayneeo - you could be right with the dairy. I had quark (from grass-fed cows, organic) in small amounts. I am not eating it anymore.
Cynthia, the phenocane sounds great. I'll see whether I can get it in my health-food store.
Ron-O-Non, no, I am not taking the supplements suggested in the Genotype book. But I do take supplements which my doctor has given me: N Acetyl Carnitine, Magnesium Plus, AdrenoTone, Formula 33SE (a multivitamin) CoQ10 and EPA/DHA (fishoil).
Chloe, the food I have been eating is either home-grown (in my own garden), organic (from the health-food store) or grass-fed and organic (from the butcher). The book by Thodore Barody sounds interesting, I'll see whether I can order it.


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It could be that your body is so happy on the diet it's finally able to deal with some inflamation in your back.

When I first started changing my diet, strange things came back to haunt me.  My ankles started aching, and one of them even swelled up.  It's like it was trying to heal from all those past sprains when my body was so depleted of anything good it couldn't heal right.  The most surprising thing, though, aside from my ankle swelling up, was a bee sting that started itching again.  I'd had a real bad bee sting on my knuckle about a year before, and it started itching as bad as it did when I first got it.  It didn't swell up, it just itched.  It was the strangest thing I'd ever seen.  I called the dr who put me on my diet and he said that was interesting and good, that my body could concentrate on getting out inflamation now, when before it could only concentrate on keeping me vertical.


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Curious
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That is very interesting Ribbit. If the worsening of my backpain was a healing crises, I would be very happy with it. I'll see my doctor on Thursday and ask him about it.
How long did your aches and pains last before you got better?  
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A matter of days.  Maybe a week.


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Curious
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I saw my doctor (he is very familiar with nutrition) and asked him whether my increased backpain could the result of a detox reaction since I started the GTD. He said that this is very unlikely.
He also said that I have been eating foods that cause inflammation and pain (dairy products, chocolate, eggs, grapefuit, meat) and suggested that I replace these foods with food that is 'pain-safe', eg.g brown rice, cherries, cranberries, pears, prunes, different vegetables. He also suggested that I stop drinking tea (green, black, white) because the caffeine in tea can be a pain trigger for some people.
So I am doing exactly that for a few weeks and see how I feel.
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Saturday, January 26, 2008, 4:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Curious, it just occurs to me that the increased back pain you are having may be something new altogether that has come up.  I wouldn't rule that out because it may be something you need to have checked more thoroughly. Do you exercise?
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Spring
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Sorry, Curious, I had not read all of your former posts when I posted about newer issues possibly causing your pain. One thing I would like to mention at this point, though, is this: I have a friend (O-Type) who absolutely COULD NOT eat grain-fed beef. I don't know whether grain and grass are the same thing -- in fact, I don't have a clue about WHAT they are feeding cattle these days because I haven't eaten it in over a decade and certainly have bought any because everyone in my family is A-Type! But, anyway, the last time she ate any grain-fed beef she had to crawl to get help because SHE COULD NOT WALK!! It was the grain that did it. If she doesn't eat grain-fed, she has no problem. I still can't help but wonder if this is a detox going on there because it would seem that some inflammation  would still remain. I do wish I could get any of you with pain to try castor oil. ON THE SKIN -- RUBBED INTO THE PAINFUL PLACES!!! Dr. D. got into the discussion when I mentioned this before some time ago under a different screen name - and don't ask me what the screen name was because I can't for the life of me remember! Anyway he mentioned the Canadian clinic that has done a tremendous amount of work with castor oil in compresses, etc.. I bought a new computer since then and somehow lost the link but I'm pretty sure a search would find it. But getting back to the detox, the castor oil will put things into overdrive if there is inflammation. It doesn't help all types of pain but when it does, you will see results in as little as 20 minutes! All you do is massage it into the sore places. And a little heat helps, but it isn't absolutely necessary. You wouldn't be out more than a couple of bucks, at the most, for a small bottle. I use Swan's in the dark blue bottle and it has minimal odor. I have never ruined any clothes with it, either.
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Curious
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Thanks Spring, the castor oil is a great suggestion. I'll see whether I can get it here.
My back pain seems to be getting less since I stopped eating according to GTD and since I stopped eating meat. The meat I ususally ate was grassfed, but it could have been the meat itself because a few books and internet sites I read argue that meat tends to increase pain. I am going to try my new meatless diet for 3 weeks and see how I feel.
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