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Curious
Saturday, January 19, 2008, 1:52am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have been on the GTD for about 10 days (100% compliant) and I found that my backpain has steadily got worse since then. I have not changed anything else, apart from switching from the 0-Nonsecretor diet to the Gatherer diet.
I am very sure that I am a gatherer, had someone else to measure me with the same results.
Has anyone got any suggestions?
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Jump over to the "Are we to expect detox reactions?" thread. Someone may have already addressed your question or may be able to.


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Me too pain increasing.. but I recently stopped taking my Bromelain to give myself a break.

I've heard that sometimes when one's body is getting rid of excess water and fluids that the joints begin to ache because they are not floating in excess fluids anymore...

not sure if this is true or where i heard it but everytime I've gotten clean eating going, my pain increases.

I've never been clean (without binging) very long... so I'm hoping that after a period of time, the pain goes away.  This is the big experiment here... staying on the  GTD long term.
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Curious
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Kate, I don't think that my increased backpain is a detox-reaction, but I posted a question on the link you suggested yesterday.
Funky, I thought that I was quite 'clean', I have been on the BTD diet since August 07 (99% compliance).
It also seems to me that a 10 day detox reaction is very long, in particular since my pain has been getting progressively worse.
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Quoted from Curious
Kate, I don't think that my increased backpain is a detox-reaction, but I posted a question on the link you suggested yesterday.
Funky, I thought that I was quite 'clean', I have been on the BTD diet since August 07 (99% compliance).
It also seems to me that a 10 day detox reaction is very long, in particular since my pain has been getting progressively worse.


ouuu.. then I would be looking at the newer foods you have introduced...  

I'm kind of afraid of cheese because of inflammaton even though I've been dipping my toe into Machego and Percornio.

So I'm keeping a feel on those for the moment and I'll throw a fit by gosh if I have to give them up!!!  But I will if they are causing me pain...




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Curious
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I have just ordered a book called "Foods that fight pain" by Neal Barnard. Maybe he has some good ideas.
I have also done a bit of research on the net and one site listed the following foods as triggering pain: Dairy (number 1), corn, bell pappers, wheat, oats and rye, eggs, oranges, grapefuit, potatoes, tomatoes, meats, nuts, coffee, shellfish and alcohol.
I have been eating some dairy, more eggs than usual, grapefruit and more lamb than usual since being on the gatherer diet (since they are said to be beneficials).
I have given up on blueberries and cherries (which the net-site lists as fighting pain).
Maybe the GTD only works if you want to loose weight and not if you want to get rid of pain?
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Quoted from Curious
I have been on the GTD for about 10 days (100% compliant) and I found that my backpain has steadily got worse since then. I have not changed anything else, apart from switching from the 0-Nonsecretor diet to the Gatherer diet.
I am very sure that I am a gatherer, had someone else to measure me with the same results.
Has anyone got any suggestions?


Maybe try drinking a lot of water to dilute toxins.  And maybe eat less of the newer foods until you feel better. (which is what I did). I went back to a core diet for my blood type and felt better quickly and just started the GTD all over again in slow motion.  We're all new at this and
each person is different.  I don't think there is a right way to do this but logic tells me that if
you feel worse when eating too many new foods at once, then it's too much for you. I'm only adding one new food at a time and only trying one new food every few days.


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I noticed that we got a lot of the Nighshades back into our diets when we went GTD. Many people swear that these increase joint pains. Also dairy and some citrus but not grapefruit fall into the pain category. And we all know about WHEAT!
So I agree with the last post. I would back up and slowly introduce 1 new food at a time after I was pain free.


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I agree w/drgnwng1. The nightshades - tomatoes, peppers, potatoes, eggplant, etc. can definitely contribute to or reawaken joint pains. Personal experience, besides book-learning. Go back to your btd and start over, adding new stuff slowly so you can tell which ones are bothering you.  


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Curious, I will put my two cents into the discussion. Pain caused from eating certain foods is one of my worst problems. On the BTD grapefruit, for instance, was allowed for A-types and it is a super food for Warriors, but the pain it causes me is unreal. I can eat a little of it but no more than a little. If I eat it three days in a row, the pain is almost immobilizing. I don't have trouble with any other allowed fruits, only grapefruit. If you are eating something, or some things, every day, I would start eliminating one at a time. It seems sometimes as if the very thing we want the most is the one causing problems! I LOVE grapefruit -- as long as I don't have to eat it now that I know what it does to me! Who knows, down the road I might be able to enjoy it again. Good luck on your search for the truth about your back pain. One other thing, on the BTD sometimes if I got a really bad back pain it was caused from needing more lysine. I would take two or three 500 mg. caps and it would go away. I have not noticed that problem since I have been on the GTD - knock on wood!
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Quoted from Curious
I have just ordered a book called "Foods that fight pain" by Neal Barnard. Maybe he has some good ideas.
I have also done a bit of research on the net and one site listed the following foods as triggering pain: Dairy (number 1), corn, bell pappers, wheat, oats and rye, eggs, oranges, grapefuit, potatoes, tomatoes, meats, nuts, coffee, shellfish and alcohol.
I have been eating some dairy, more eggs than usual, grapefruit and more lamb than usual since being on the gatherer diet (since they are said to be beneficials).
I have given up on blueberries and cherries (which the net-site lists as fighting pain).
Maybe the GTD only works if you want to loose weight and not if you want to get rid of pain?


Many of these same foods trigger pain issues for me.  I gave up the cherries on the Warrior
diet for 5 days and decided that I always did fine on cherries and they weren't "pain" foods
for me so they're back as part of my type A diet. This is what I meant about keeping a food
journal.  I find it necessary to test out each new food I'm eating to see if I feel good or worse.
My criteria would be:  "does it make me retain fluid?"  "Does it give me a good night's sleep?"
"does it cause pain or stiffness?"  "does it seem to be digesting well?" "does it make me
feel tired or am I suddenly yawning?""does it give me a headache or a stuffy nose?"

I agree, the GTD might have more to do with weight loss yet, if you look at
each genotype's weakness and notice the diseases related to each group, there is an inflammatory component that relates to them all.  Heart disease, cancer and arthritis are all issues of gross inflammation. I see no point in forcing oneself to eat known reactive foods
once they are identified to cause inflammatory reactions.

So far, on the Warrior diet, the only new food that is working for me is pine nuts.  Apples
gave me gas and bloat.  Chocolate was a problem with the caffeine.

I've read that 70% of the world's population doesn't have the ability to digest dairy.  I'm
clearly in that group.

There are also foods that are avoids for a type A and avoids for a Warrior that I have always done well on.  Lobster, shrimp, crab meat and all shellfish. I don't react negatively  and these proteins digest very well in my gut.  I have to rely on my own common sense regarding many foods.










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I feel like I am gaining weight on the gatherer diet.  I have a nagging headache today which I guess is related to too many almonds.  Anyway, I never minded the O nonnie diet, except I do have less 'fire' in my stomach these days.  I will keep trying the gatherer diet.  Sorry you have pain in your joints.  I could not do the dairy either.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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In addition to your dietary changes, have there been changes in the weather where you are. Weather affects me worse than food.  Weather triggers it, and then food aggravates it.  

I agree with the conscientious to go back to the BTD, then slowly add or subtract food.


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I second that, with one addendum: go back to the BTD but still avoid the "toxins" from the GTD.
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Remember that we have our own personal allergies/intolerances even if tbe list says its OK for your type. I am still skittish about dairy & will consider it an avoid.
I feel more tired, but I also am affected by weather, especially cold or gloomy weather. Today it got around zero!
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! I also am stressing about my aunt.
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
Remember that we have our own personal allergies/intolerances even if tbe list says its OK for your type. I am still skittish about dairy & will consider it an avoid.
I feel more tired, but I also am affected by weather, especially cold or gloomy weather. Today it got around zero!
Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!! I also am stressing about my aunt.
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Thanks everyone, these are great suggestions.
Quoted from Chloe
I find it necessary to test out each new food I'm eating to see if I feel good or worse.
My criteria would be:  "does it make me retain fluid?"  "Does it give me a good night's sleep?"
"does it cause pain or stiffness?"  "does it seem to be digesting well?" "does it make me
feel tired or am I suddenly yawning?""does it give me a headache or a stuffy nose?"

Chloe, I really like your suggestion. I am going to do that!

RedLilac - your questions about the weather is interesting. We did have a lot of rain for a few days and some areas at the Gold Coast have been flooded (I was fine, because I live in a suburb which is not flood-prone and my house is elevated). But the weather has been 'normal' over the last few days. Normal means it has been 26-29 degrees Celsius, and sometimes sunny, sometimes cloudy with a bit of rain. So I don't think that the weather affected my pain.

I found an interesting book in the library yesterday by Kathryne Pirtle "Performance without Pain". Kathryne is a clarinetist of the Orion Ensemble and has been battling with pain for a long time. The book is her story about how she healed herself from it.
She tells in the book that she followed the 0-Diet for a while. She says: "My new diet (the 0-Diet) gave me some relief, but it was no cure. By age 45, my right arm and shoulder were hurting all the time. No matter what I did - chiropractic, massage therapy, stretching - all of the things I knew - the discomfort was constant. During the next few months I developed an inflammation in my spine that made it very difficult and painful to use my hands and fingers" (p. 15).
To heal herself she stopped eating the gluten-grains allowed on the 0-Diet and felt better. Also she decided not to eat 'normal' milk products anymore, but only raw milk products (those which are not pasteurised and homogenised). In addition she avoided fruit juices and high-sugar fruits (and of course sugar). There are a few more things she did, but the ones I mentioned were the most interesting ones for me.

I think the key for me in getting better will be not to solely rely on any diet, but to test individual foods (as Chloe has suggested) and see how they feel in my body (independent of what the BTD or GTD says). I am going to try that for the next few weeks and see how I feel.
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I would suspect the dairy. Have you used it? I discovered problems with it right away, and won't be able to use the cow cheeses, sadly. I should not use any until I lose the weight but I may just use goat chevre which I love.
on the other hand....my arthritis is hurting less (possibly due to my cutting way back on beef) and I keep the night shades to infrequent.
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Last summer when I stopped taking excedrin type pain reliever, ( I was addicted; was taking up to 9 tablets a day 3 at a time for years), I got severe back and joint pain that lasted about a month.  My friend at the HFS told me about Phenocain, a natural pain reliver that comes from tumeric.  It enhances your body's natural defence mechanisms against inflamation and pain.  It really works! .  When ever your body is healing its self there will be aches and pains, because it is detoxing, so I wouldn't give up too quickly.  Hang in there.
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Curious,

Are you taking any of the suggested supplements from the book?  If so, are you taking within the dosage recommendations that he has listed?  If not, you should.  If yes, you might want to abstain from them for awhile, or even lower your dosage to the low end of the range.

I say this because I started taking the holy basil he suggests, but above the suggested range, which is 200-400 mg.  I was taking 450 mg, which is what the pills I purchased came in.  

In the very near future, I'll start purchasing his Hunter's formula package, which, I'm told, includes lower levels of the holy basil.
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Curious what exactly are your issues?  If they are arthritis related possibly you should follow the food and supp protocols recommended in Dr. D's Arthritis book...

Also I had ask about chiro on a thread awhile back and received a good reference for a tool to use for pain... I'm going to check it further and this may help you as well:

4.  With respect to the stretching, there are 2 items I recommend:  One is something called "the Stick" http://www.thestick.com/ used to mobilize fascia between the muscles.  The other is a strap assisted stretch that allows you to push against something while you are stretching. There are a few available, but the one I use in my practice is called a StretchRite found at the following link  http://www.scrip-inc.com/itemdetail.asp?cat=&MENU=&item=849+0030

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Last summer when I stopped taking excedrin type pain reliever, ( I was addicted; was taking up to 9 tablets a day 3 at a time for years), I got severe back and joint pain that lasted about a month.  My friend at the HFS told me about Phenocain, a natural pain reliver that comes from tumeric.  It enhances your body's natural defence mechanisms against inflamation and pain.  It really works! .  When ever your body is healing its self there will be aches and pains, because it is detoxing, so I wouldn't give up too quickly.  Hang in there.


Hi.. I just tried to Google this Phenocain and cannot find it online... where can I research this...?  It sounds great!

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funkymuse,

Try a slightly different spelling - phenocane.
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Yes, I misspelled it.  It is Phenocane.  Sorry!
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Kate, I don't think that my increased backpain is a detox-reaction, but I posted a question on the link you suggested yesterday.
Funky, I thought that I was quite 'clean', I have been on the BTD diet since August 07 (99% compliance).
It also seems to me that a 10 day detox reaction is very long, in particular since my pain has been getting progressively worse.


Check the foods you've added one by one. You could have a personal allergy to one or more of them.. I have an intolerance to soy.  
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