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Ribbit
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I've also been under an odd mixture of stress and elation, back and forth for a few weeks.  Might have something to do with the way I feel.


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Sorry, Curious, I was meaning after you saw your doctor. I guess I start trying to connect food to my health problems as soon as they start showing up and begin to notice how I feel after I eat different foods. Of course, with me, most of the time the problem starts right off the bat. In about twenty minutes I can be hurting from the soles of my feet upward if I eat something inflammatory.

Spring, yes, that is exactly what I did. I stopped all the inflammatory foods after I had talked with my doctor. My pain is beginning to decrease since I have been off the GTD.

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wonder why all those foods you mention are avoids!!{hint}
in BT, GT diet, I mean...depending on individuality.....
even rice is a black dot for gatherers.....except basmati.....
Dr D has given us all the clues......all we need to do is apply these according to our individualized needs.

not to mention the health series books, which are even more detail oriented!

and shortly his GTD swami......
we are the 'avant guard' of 'nutrigenomics' no doubt about it!
thank you Dr!


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according to Bernard, the major arthritis triggers are: Dairy products, corn, meats, wheat, oats, rye, eggs, citrus fruits, potatoes, tomatoes, nuts and coffee.

have you not opened the arthritis book of the health series, and checked the O nonnie recommendations yet?


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wonder why all those foods you mention are avoids
Neal Barnard quotes lots of research in his book. One which I found particularly interesting is by Kauppila, Can low-back pain be due to lumbar-artery disease, Lancet 1995. A team of researchers in Helsinki (Finnland) conducted autopsies on people who had died of different causes unrelated to back pain. They examined the condition of their spines and the arteries that led to the spine. They found that in people with a history of back pain, two arteries (on average) to the lower back were completely blocked. People who had not reported back pain had fewer blockages. He argues that the blockage prevented nutrients to reaching the disks and the disks started to degenerate. Blocked arteries often are the result of too much cholesterol.
Some of the foods which he mentions as needing to be avoided are likely to raise cholesterol, others - according to his research - can trigger reactions in people with pain.
I only can argue from my own experience: I went on the GTD and my backpain increased considerably. I stopped it and my backpain slowly decreases.
When I was on BTD, my pain decreased initially, but then stayed without any improvement.
That means for me, I need to look around to see whether there is something else that can help me (GTD clearly did not).
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I need to look around to see whether there is something else that can help me (GTD clearly did not).

at least you did learn an important piece of the puzzle in regards to your physiological individuality, which is your unique secretor status!


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Angel, I am rebuilding my adrenals right now too.  I found very helpful information in a book called Adrenal Fatigue: The 21st Century Stress Syndrome by James L. Wilson.  I haven't even finished reading it, but I've been steadily regaining my strength/energy.  Also, I've read that getting those fillings replaced can release a lot of mercury into your body at once (you probably already know that, but just in case you didn't, there it is!)

Ribbit, I have decided to go back to a modified version of the BTD because of my increased aches.  Maybe you should too?  Mine looks like this: if it's a BTD avoid, it's an avoid for me.  If it's a GTD toxin, I will probably avoid it, too, but maybe less strictly.  If it's a BTD beneficial or a GTD superfood (and doesn't already show up in the avoid or toxin list), it's a beneficial on my list!
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*sigh*  But there's some pretty big changes from the A nonnie diet to the Warrior diet.  I wouldn't know where to start.  On another thread somebody said they've evened out and felt better after being on the diet several weeks.  Maybe I'll wait it out a few months and then see.


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has anyone been experiencing brain fog..I have had an increase and its the worst feeling in the world! i feel like I'm on drugs or literally drunk-awful...I wonder if its a detox symptoms
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*sigh*  But there's some pretty big changes from the A nonnie diet to the Warrior diet.  I wouldn't know where to start.  On another thread somebody said they've evened out and felt better after being on the diet several weeks.  Maybe I'll wait it out a few months and then see.


The implication of the black dot (and all the avoids) is that it takes 3-6 months to re-educate the genes, so it may be unavoidable that some people will have to stick to the GTD for quite a long time, and with some difficulty, to ultimately see the rewards. I am one of the lucky ones who is not having detox problems, so I know it is easy for me to appear blase, but I am trying to empathize with those not in my easy boat. Good luck all, and keep trying if you choose to.




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has anyone been experiencing brain fog..I have had an increase and its the worst feeling in the world! i feel like I'm on drugs or literally drunk-awful...I wonder if its a detox symptoms


I dont know if it is a detox - but I felt like that( again as well as blood sugar swings and upset tummy until I added a few of my old B friends back..
Im rethinking how I want to do GTD right now...


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Just a thought, are you looking at the portions and trying to eat them? I think the portions are very important to the GT diet.


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Dottie - if it is me you are asking  
then - yes I did try to follow the portions... but I got too many grains and juice on the GTD menu and too little protein to keep me happy
after all we are different persons- I need more protein than a average woman- being heavier and more active.


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Nay just asking in general. I think the portions are really hard to keep. The live food one is 1 cup of veggies  at least 4-5 cups per day. Wow, that is alot of live food.


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Nay just asking in general. I think the portions are really hard to keep. The live food one is 1 cup of veggies  at least 4-5 cups per day. Wow, that is alot of live food.


ok
Well I dont find it that hard to get the veggies
since I eat so little grain from monday to friday I try to eat grain - or a max of 1 serving - so I just eat veggies instead.


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ok
Well I dont find it that hard to get the veggies
since I eat so little grain from monday to friday I try to eat grain - or a max of 1 serving - so I just eat veggies instead.

Me too. what it takes is to be sure to have (say) a big salad for lunch, and cooked vegs for dinner.




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Drive55-that is the book I was refering too.

My current problem is the detox reaction I am having between diet and filling removal. I have a horrid brain fog when I don't eat at regular times I get plain sick. sometimes getting a little contamination-the reaction is quite awful. But is weight gain (5-7 lbs worth )supposed to be one of those detox reactions? Would this be my body expelling those xenobiotics and causing swelling and pain.

I am feeling somewhat tired and cranky. Sleep is elusive, lots of sleep wake cycles. I want to feel better not like I got hit by a truck I am hoping that my reactions will get milder as time goes by. My wrists have not been hurting as bed as they were previously. Just flashes here an there.

the frustrating thing is finding the items I can have in the local stores not likely very rarely. I have to drive to Ogden or Salt Lake or I am going to have to order the mushroom kit and grow my own


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Drive55-that is the book I was refering too.

My current problem is the detox reaction I am having between diet and filling removal. I have a horrid brain fog when I don't eat at regular times I get plain sick. sometimes getting a little contamination-the reaction is quite awful. But is weight gain (5-7 lbs worth )supposed to be one of those detox reactions? Would this be my body expelling those xenobiotics and causing swelling and pain.

I am feeling somewhat tired and cranky. Sleep is elusive, lots of sleep wake cycles. I want to feel better not like I got hit by a truck I am hoping that my reactions will get milder as time goes by. My wrists have not been hurting as bed as they were previously. Just flashes here an there.

the frustrating thing is finding the items I can have in the local stores not likely very rarely. I have to drive to Ogden or Salt Lake or I am going to have to order the mushroom kit and grow my own


I'm having horrible brain fog too!!!!!
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worse thing about right now this week is that. I hope I retain what training I went through yesterday to be a website administrator for the military. I am having trouble concentrating and sleeping.

I am currently involved in scouts, military spouse and family education with outreach programs, a women's shooting group, nothing like shooting paper and hitting the bullseye to make you feel better or being able to teach your own kids to shoot, imparticular my daughter. Mostly we shoot 22 cal and air rifle.

With all this going on My father is being turned over ot me this weekend to come home and I am feeling a bit overwhelmed, because of the distance I ahve to go to find those things I can eat. I think I will take the suggestion in another thread and rinse my cottage cheese. I found acceptable ricotta and farmers cheese. Although I wish someone would just drop some easy really recipes in my lap. As soon as I find a dairy thermometer I will try making cottage cheese.
Sorry about my moan or whine however you want to call it. I just don't like the way I feel, But I realize (correct if I am wrong) that I am detoxing and going through everything in reverse of what happened to me over the past 36-37 years as far as my health.

thank you for listening.  


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Earlier in this post, someone said how the eyes mirror what is going on in the liver.

After taking the Explorer liver supplements, I have to agree.

They clear up my eyes and I have hardly any allergy discharge.

I went without the supplements for one day - and it was obvious my liver needed them.

They have boosted my metabolism fore sure. I've lost 10 lbs. in 5 weeks  - which is a personal record. I love not being so hungry as well. My blood sugar dips are becoming less frequent too.

Anyone considering making the investment in the supplements should know - I find them the most worthwhile of any of the many supplements I've taken.


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i THINK i AM HAVING A REACTION TO MUSHROOMS!  i HAVE EATEN THEM THREE TIMES AND THE FOLLOWING DAY i HAVE A TERRIBLE HEADACHE AND BACKACHE- FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS WITH NO FEVER!  i JUST CAME FROM THE DOCTOR AND HE CULTURED ME FOR FLU AND KIDNEY INFECTION- ALL NEGATIVE!  i ALSO HAVE THE BRAIN FOG AND NO ENERGY.  
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Typing in all caps is like yelling. Not sure that was your intention.
How did he culture you for a urine infection in the office?


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pardon the all caps!  Kids were on the computer.  He did a 'dip stick" in his office- is sending off to lab to culture for a few days.
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pardon the all caps!  Kids were on the computer.


Lol, yelling to be heard over the kids!
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