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Ron-A-Non
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detox reactions feel like the flu.
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I just had, like, a lightbulb moment:

I think, even though it might sound counterintuitive,* that perhaps BTDers go through more detox when starting the GTD than regular old SADers (standard American diet eaters).  Why?  Well!  It has dawned on me that:

They (SADers) are going from a junk-laden diet to a pure diet.  Thus, while detox symptoms are certainly possible, since they are, in fact, detoxifying, they are more likely to experience what most of us experienced when starting the BTD:  nothing but positive things happening, as the junk load lifts and the pure, health-bestowing manna is infused into their systems.  But us BTDers going to the GTD are different:  we are going from an EXTREMELY pure, hypoallergenic, anti-inflammatory diet to a diet that allows a few more inflammatory, "reactionary" (in different ways, some via lectins, some via other avenues) foods into the mix.  The trade-off for this is that these foods have been determined to be good for us an an individual overall, even though they may have specific components that are a little irritating to us.  Like, take cottage cheese for Gatherers, or being allowed to have more grains in all the GTDs than O nons were allowed on the BTD or whatever example you like.

The GTD in some ways "challenges" our systems more, yet at the same time is even more individually tailored than the BTD.

But at first, our systems which are used to a VERY low-lectin, anti-inflammatory diet, might be SHOCKED to the max to have a few "challengers" enter the mix.

Did the above make any sense?  Bottom line:  if we stick it out and get through the rough surf and big breakers near the shoreline when we first enter GTD waters, we will eventually get past that to calmer, deeper waters.  Our BTD-bods just need to get re-acclimated to a few more lectins, et al., and then they will even out, reaping the many, many benefits of a diet tailored to multiple elements of our individual profiles.

* dang, that is the second time I've used the word "counterintuitive" in posts today, what are the odds?


Yes, this makes perfect sense..A big lightbulb just went off in my head too. A BTDers body
reacting to more lectins.  Might have been what we experienced when we ate avoids after
being compliant.

I became very acidic for awhile and suddenly, my ph is back to being more alkaline.  There
was certainly a lot of upheaval we all had to endure.

In this month I managed to make myself about a 1/3 Warrior.  Rest of my diet is a basic type A. I'm trying to transition in slow motion which cut down my detoxing. I decided to leave out all my known allergic foods for now, and focus on foods that wouldn't be problematic.  But
there were some surprises. Apples for some crazy reason were totally indigestible for me.  Finally I made applesauce and like a baby with an upset stomach, it made me feel good.  Raw almonds are better for me, soaked.  





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I have no idea whether there are detox symptoms, chemical imbalances or changes in genetics.  All I know was I was at the doctors today - for other reasons - and mentioned the problems I was having on genotype. Constant pain in the stomach area or above - not reflux.  The doctor asked me how my bowel movements were.  I said I hadn't really had a good movement since I started genotype one month ago.  They were generally quite shallow.  He told me my digestive system was rebelling against the diet.  

About one week ago, I wanted to throw up every time I tried to eat something - I really didn't want to eat anything anymore.  I was forcing myself to eat.  There were 3 times I thought I was going to die in the night the pains were so severe and affected many parts of my body.  I was constantly out of my body and the pain was quite severe.  I was dizzy quite often and was afraid of falling down.  The doctor said detox symptoms should only last a couple of weeks.  He told me if I wanted to continue genotype, I could do it for one more month, but should drop it if my symptoms did not get better. He said no matter how valid the theory, it may not be right for me.  He gave me some examples.

I hadn't been sleeping well at night - was waking up at least every 2 hours and couldn't go back to sleep for sometimes over an hour.  I would try to drink water, but water wasn't helping. I was constantly in the bathroom. When I came home today I guess I rebelled, I had some brown rice pasta and non compliant cheese in the freezer.  I cooked it.  Within 30 minutes I had a full bowel movement (my first in 31 days).

Oh well - I gave it my whole-hearted try.
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I have no idea whether there are detox symptoms, chemical imbalances or changes in genetics.  All I know was I was at the doctors today - for other reasons - and mentioned the problems I was having on genotype. Constant pain in the stomach area or above - not reflux.  The doctor asked me how my bowel movements were.  I said I hadn't really had a good movement since I started genotype one month ago.  They were generally quite shallow.  He told me my digestive system was rebelling against the diet.  

About one week ago, I wanted to throw up every time I tried to eat something - I really didn't want to eat anything anymore.  I was forcing myself to eat.  There were 3 times I thought I was going to die in the night the pains were so severe and affected many parts of my body.  I was constantly out of my body and the pain was quite severe.  I was dizzy quite often and was afraid of falling down.  The doctor said detox symptoms should only last a couple of weeks.  He told me if I wanted to continue genotype, I could do it for one more month, but should drop it if my symptoms did not get better. He said no matter how valid the theory, it may not be right for me.  He gave me some examples.

I hadn't been sleeping well at night - was waking up at least every 2 hours and couldn't go back to sleep for sometimes over an hour.  I would try to drink water, but water wasn't helping. I was constantly in the bathroom. When I came home today I guess I rebelled, I had some brown rice pasta and non compliant cheese in the freezer.  I cooked it.  Within 30 minutes I had a full bowel movement (my first in 31 days).

Oh well - I gave it my whole-hearted try.


Are you sure you were on the correct genotype diet? Your signature seems to suggest you are not sure. I was on the Explorer diet for a while because of the finger length calculations but I am a Gatherer and it has made all the difference.



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I didn't think I had any detox going on until I read the posts about colds with coughing, Wah-lah!! I experienced the same symptoms but never attributed it to a change in diet. This is indeed a good thread.


You can say that again. This entire site is wonderful!
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I have no idea whether there are detox symptoms, chemical imbalances or changes in genetics.  All I know was I was at the doctors today - for other reasons - and mentioned the problems I was having on genotype. Constant pain in the stomach area or above - not reflux.  The doctor asked me how my bowel movements were.  I said I hadn't really had a good movement since I started genotype one month ago.  They were generally quite shallow.  He told me my digestive system was rebelling against the diet.  

About one week ago, I wanted to throw up every time I tried to eat something - I really didn't want to eat anything anymore.  I was forcing myself to eat.  There were 3 times I thought I was going to die in the night the pains were so severe and affected many parts of my body.  I was constantly out of my body and the pain was quite severe.  I was dizzy quite often and was afraid of falling down.  The doctor said detox symptoms should only last a couple of weeks.  He told me if I wanted to continue genotype, I could do it for one more month, but should drop it if my symptoms did not get better. He said no matter how valid the theory, it may not be right for me.  He gave me some examples.

I hadn't been sleeping well at night - was waking up at least every 2 hours and couldn't go back to sleep for sometimes over an hour.  I would try to drink water, but water wasn't helping. I was constantly in the bathroom. When I came home today I guess I rebelled, I had some brown rice pasta and non compliant cheese in the freezer.  I cooked it.  Within 30 minutes I had a full bowel movement (my first in 31 days).

Oh well - I gave it my whole-hearted try.


If I were you, I would give it one more try. Maybe it took a lot of bulk to clean you out. It is not as if the foods are poison that are on any of these diets. Most of us could live a pretty long time eating any of it, although we might be reacting to foods because of allergies, etc., and not feel very well. Add one food at a time and just take it easy.  The rewards are just too great not to at least try once more. It felt as if everything in my body was rebelling against something that I just couldn't figure out. I have been on strenuous diets in the past for health problems that caused very similar reactions, but I stuck it out and got wonderful results. This helped me press on with this diet. I also went through a phase of not wanting to eat. I actually felt better if I didn't. Ha, maybe a short fast beforehand would improve this diet! There is no doubt you had one humdinger of a detox. I'm wondering how you feel now and what foods are appealing to you. I think we can all agree that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made!"
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TypeOSecretor Probable Gatherer

you mean you are not yet sure what gt you are??

definitely measure right and make sure you are following the right diet, instead of giving it up.....


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I have no idea whether there are detox symptoms, chemical imbalances or changes in genetics.  All I know was I was at the doctors today - for other reasons - and mentioned the problems I was having on genotype. Constant pain in the stomach area or above - not reflux.  The doctor asked me how my bowel movements were.  I said I hadn't really had a good movement since I started genotype one month ago.  They were generally quite shallow.  He told me my digestive system was rebelling against the diet.  

About one week ago, I wanted to throw up every time I tried to eat something - I really didn't want to eat anything anymore.  I was forcing myself to eat.  There were 3 times I thought I was going to die in the night the pains were so severe and affected many parts of my body.  I was constantly out of my body and the pain was quite severe.  I was dizzy quite often and was afraid of falling down.  The doctor said detox symptoms should only last a couple of weeks.  He told me if I wanted to continue genotype, I could do it for one more month, but should drop it if my symptoms did not get better. He said no matter how valid the theory, it may not be right for me.  He gave me some examples.

I hadn't been sleeping well at night - was waking up at least every 2 hours and couldn't go back to sleep for sometimes over an hour.  I would try to drink water, but water wasn't helping. I was constantly in the bathroom. When I came home today I guess I rebelled, I had some brown rice pasta and non compliant cheese in the freezer.  I cooked it.  Within 30 minutes I had a full bowel movement (my first in 31 days).

Oh well - I gave it my whole-hearted try.


I would stop the Genotype diet immediately if I were you.
I tried the Gatherer diet for about 10 days and had a strong increase in my backpain. I checked with my doctor and he attributed it to the inflammatory foods I was eating (e.g. quark, grapefruits). I stopped the Genotype and my pain level is decreasing.
You body knows what is good or not good for you - you just need to listen to it.
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I would stop the Genotype diet immediately if I were you.
I tried the Gatherer diet for about 10 days and had a strong increase in my backpain. I checked with my doctor and he attributed it to the inflammatory foods I was eating (e.g. quark, grapefruits). I stopped the Genotype and my pain level is decreasing.
You body knows what is good or not good for you - you just need to listen to it.


If I had been you, I would have stopped the "inflammatory foods" immediately and carried on with the diet as usual. Makes all the sense in the world. For myself, I would be practically crippled in a few days if I tried to eat grapefruit. I have tried it numerous times and had the same result. I just simply happen to be one of those people who cannot eat grapefruit. The same goes for pineapple. I love raw pineapple, but it is not for me. As for the dairy products, there are few on the market that are safe for me to eat. The yogurt is not actually cultured or if it is, they add ordinary milk after the culturing process for some strange, unknown reason. Cottage cheese is not completely cultured - ordinary milk and\or cream are added. These are fairly simple things to understand and remedy - I can make my own. It is NOT some lack or fault of the GTD. And there are plenty of other foods available to eat that can make the difference between feeling just okaaaay and feeling absolutely wonderful!!!!!  
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If I had been you, I would have stopped the "inflammatory foods" immediately and carried on with the diet as usual.

Spring, I agree with you. Only at the time I did not know which foods cause inflammation and which ones do not. It is only through quite a bit of research and the advise of my doctor that I found out about all the inflammatory foods I was eating.
I guess I just accepted the idea that the Gatherer diet will be good for me. It certainly taught me a lesson, namely to ALWAYS listen to my own body, rather than a book or a website.

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I was wondering about arborio rice ??
Short-grain white rice of Northern Italy used for risotto ... cooks up creamy and is so delicious !!
I take it to be ok ?
Thanks folks  


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What are these "inflammatory foods"?  I'm seeing this idea on the forums used in contexts that suggest certain foods are inflammatory for all types.  Is this true?  If so, what are they?  Diary and nightshades maybe?

Edit: moved the part of the post about BTD/GTD mixing to another thread

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Brenda Watson....
is she the same Dr Watson?
http://www.dadamo.com/media/radio1.htm


No, Lola, that's Debra Watson who does that radio show.  But I'd never seen that link before... Thanks for posting it.
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thank you Ron for clearing that up!


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Spring, I agree with you. Only at the time I did not know which foods cause inflammation and which ones do not. It is only through quite a bit of research and the advise of my doctor that I found out about all the inflammatory foods I was eating.
I guess I just accepted the idea that the Gatherer diet will be good for me. It certainly taught me a lesson, namely to ALWAYS listen to my own body, rather than a book or a website.


Sorry, Curious, I was meaning after you saw your doctor. I guess I start trying to connect food to my health problems as soon as they start showing up and begin to notice how I feel after I eat different foods. Of course, with me, most of the time the problem starts right off the bat. In about twenty minutes I can be hurting from the soles of my feet upward if I eat something inflammatory. Of course, now that I have been on this diet and found out how it feels not to have a stomach ache, I notice the pain there more readily. I love the way this diet makes me feel!!! Minus the foods that are known problems for me.
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What are these "inflammatory foods"?  I'm seeing this idea on the forums used in contexts that suggest certain foods are inflammatory for all types.  Is this true?  If so, what are they?  Diary and nightshades maybe?


I'd like to know this as well!

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I'd like to know this as well!



According to Dr. Perricone, these are pro-inflammatory foods.

"Stay away from pro-inflammatory foods, which accelerate the aging process. A simple rule of thumb is to consider the following: If it contains flour, and/or sugar or other sweetener, it will be pro-inflammatory. Sugary, starchy foods are poor choices and will not only pack on excess pounds, they will make you look older than your years."
Bagels
Breads, rolls, baked goods
Candy
Cake
Cookies
Cereals (except old fashioned oatmeal)
Cornstarch
Corn bread, corn muffins
Corn syrup
Crackers
Croissants
Doughnuts
Egg rolls
Fast food
French Fries
Fruit juiceóchoose the fruit instead
Fried foods
Flour
Granola
Hard cheese (except for feta and grating cheeses, such as Romano and Parmesan)
Honey
Hot dogs
Ice cream, frozen yogurt, Italian ices
Jams, jellies and preserves
Margarine
Molasses
Muffins
Noodles
Pancakes
Pastry
Pie
Pita bread
Pizza
Pasta
Popcorn
Potatoes
Pudding
Relish
Rice
Sherbet
Shortening
Snack foods, including: potato chips, pretzels, corn chips, rice and corn cakes, etc.
Soda
Sugar
Tacos
Tortillas
Waffles



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So... tomatoes and peppers?
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Don't know if this is contributing to detox. My father collapsed Christmas eve and I have been dealing with all of the issues. We have been lucky as he has come to a 80 percent recovery and will be able to come again next week. He is in a state that I will be watching him more than anything. Last week I had to pull my number two out of school except an art and computer class and begin to home school him again to shore up his education gaps. Tons of stress and my husband is on the the go with the military.

I have been experiencing many of the symptoms mentioned. But honestly I've had some spelt which I have been able to tolerate in very small smounts (a slice of homemade pizza). But for the most part I ahve tried to limit myself to the stuff I am supposed to. The Farmers cheese I got at Wild Oats was more crumbly. I gave up on cottage cheese, the added cream and corn syrup. I have not slept good since around the week of JAN 13th, we went on vacation and I did not sleep at all and haven't since. Now it makes since. I like some other get up all hours of the night to relieve myself. I keep a glass of water next to the bed because of great thirst, I can'r seem to drink enough. In the past two weeks it feels like every joint of my body hurts and occassial headache too. But then again since december I have replaced all of my silver fillings with white composite fillings. I started the Gatherer diet just after christmas. Lost two pounds initially in 2 days. Now I am up to 117 I've gained 4 pounds. Maybe I should ahe some one remeasure again, but The measures-Long torso, long upper leg, Long index fingers, O+ Secretor-I am a gatherer. Oh I almost forgot my sinuses are just going crazy (4 days)and I have had diarhea (for two days).

Any suggestions for coping or faster clean out. No Sauna, just a really hot tub of water and shower, I use them to sweat in before bed. I have been trying to exercise, but there are days I am so exhausted I can't. I am lucky to get daily business done.

thanks, Angel


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Don't know if this is contributing to detox. My father collapsed Christmas eve and I have been dealing with all of the issues. We have been lucky as he has come to a 80 percent recovery and will be able to come again next week. He is in a state that I will be watching him more than anything. Last week I had to pull my number two out of school except an art and computer class and begin to home school him again to shore up his education gaps. Tons of stress and my husband is on the the go with the military.

I have been experiencing many of the symptoms mentioned. But honestly I've had some spelt which I have been able to tolerate in very small smounts (a slice of homemade pizza). But for the most part I ahve tried to limit myself to the stuff I am supposed to. The Farmers cheese I got at Wild Oats was more crumbly. I gave up on cottage cheese, the added cream and corn syrup. I have not slept good since around the week of JAN 13th, we went on vacation and I did not sleep at all and haven't since. Now it makes since. I like some other get up all hours of the night to relieve myself. I keep a glass of water next to the bed because of great thirst, I can'r seem to drink enough. In the past two weeks it feels like every joint of my body hurts and occassial headache too. But then again since december I have replaced all of my silver fillings with white composite fillings. I started the Gatherer diet just after christmas. Lost two pounds initially in 2 days. Now I am up to 117 I've gained 4 pounds. Maybe I should ahe some one remeasure again, but The measures-Long torso, long upper leg, Long index fingers, O+ Secretor-I am a gatherer. Oh I almost forgot my sinuses are just going crazy (4 days)and I have had diarhea (for two days).

Any suggestions for coping or faster clean out. No Sauna, just a really hot tub of water and shower, I use them to sweat in before bed. I have been trying to exercise, but there are days I am so exhausted I can't. I am lucky to get daily business done.

thanks, Angel


Sorry about your dad. I hope he will be okay.  You sound like you're overly stressed out. Are you getting exercise?  Drinking enough water?  Maybe check out the BT Encyclopedia for adrenal issues if you have the book. And maybe this isn't a good time to do any major changes with diet until your life calms down.  I had to go at this  diet change at snail's pace, adding one new food every few days or longer or else I felt overwhelmed by the dietary challenge this placed on my elimination organs.  Dietary changes can be stressful to the whole body as
many of us wound up with upper respiratory issues when we switched from the BTD to the
GTD.  So whether you're having detox issues or just general "life issues", if I were you, I'd
take this very slowly.  Don't try to make too many changes all at once.

Do you have any way to test your saliva?  Ph paper. I find that green drinks, which are alkalizing are helpful for me..but of course, you're not my blood type or genotype.  I still think getting alkalized is good for detoxing. A lot of times, grains are too acidic for me and if
I eat any, I have to make sure that I eat twice as many vegetables to get myself alkalized.





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So... tomatoes and peppers?


this might explain nightshade foods

http://www.noarthritis.com/research.htm



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What are these "inflammatory foods"?

There is a book by Neal Bernard called "Foods that fight pain". You can probably get it from the library. He talks about inflammatory foods for different aliments, e.g. back pain, migrane, fibromyalgia, menstrual pain, cancer pain, diabetes, kidney stones etc.
For example, according to Bernard, the major arthritis triggers are: Dairy products, corn, meats, wheat, oats, rye, eggs, citrus fruits, potatoes, tomatoes, nuts and coffee.
I find that avoiding these foods has helped my backpain quite a bit, in particular after it got really bad when I followed the GTD (I have been off these foods for about a week).

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Kyosha Nim
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Location: Atlanta, Georgia
Age: 36
Well, I'll add my own symptoms to the list of everybody else's complaints.  I'm also in the bathroom several times a night, only since being on the GTD.  My legs are in nearly constant pain.  My calf muscles and shins ache, and I can't seem to get my legs warm.  I've had two "crashes" where I had to just go to bed and make my husband take care of the children.  I couldn't even sit up.  My stomach's been hurting mildly but constantly (I contribute that to the milk in the cottage cheese--I'll start making my own).  I had a great bowel movement the first day of the diet but it's been scant since.    My eyesight has been extra blurry.  I'm hoping all this is milk related and will go away as soon as I get it out of my system.


ISTJ, BTD since 5/05.  Battling chronic Lyme disease since ~1985.

"Everything is permissible for me, but not everything is beneficial..."  I Corinthians 6:12

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A 'Hunter' working on a relaxing into farm life.
Ee Dan
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Location: Green Acres Farm, Fielding, Utah
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My adrenals have been shot for about a year. Started to heal then recent events have sent them back into shock. I drink salt and lemon water. I am avoiding the foods and taking the supplements recommended in the book adrenal fatigue: 21st century illness. I will hopefully rebuild. I am tempering recommendations with R4YT principles too. I ahve some supps I am using.


'And some of us would die-so other men can stand up on their feet like men. A great many are going to die for that. They have in the past. They will a hundred years from now-two hundred. God grant there will always be men good enough.(James Otis)' Johnny Tremain (Forbes)

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