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Would detox symptoms be expected when transitioning?


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Hmm . . . that's a tough one to answer. I'd think it would depend to some extent on how compliant you were/are with the BTD and how long you'd been on it.


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...and how healthy you are.


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What are detox symptoms? What sort of reactions would one expect?


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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My eyes have been very irritated and bloodshot ... and I know for sure that THAT'S my liver detoxifying after the X-Mas holidays when I totally lost my mind and ate everything and anything that appealed to me and oh so many cakes and cookies !!!  

A Naturopath once said to me that the LIVER shows up in the eyes ...  if I'm wrong please somebody correct me ...  

I love it when I'm COMPLIANT 'cause I get NO sugar cravings and am generally satisfied after a meal ... well NOT always, but that's just my Italian background 'cause I love to eat and eat and eat !!!  

Thanks folks and let's keep this up !!


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What are detox symptoms? What sort of reactions would one expect?


Everybody's different ... irritated, bloodshot eyes, mucus, aches and pains all over ... etc ... anything that starts to happens suddenly when u start to eat healthier is part of DETOX ... HEADACHES also if u've stopped sugar or especially coffee !!! ... at least this is what happens in my particular case ...

Cheers  


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I haven't had any of those symptoms.
    If I stop coffee I do not get headaches.

I only get headaches around my menstrual cycle.
  My menstrual cycle had alot of clots this time around.


I just had lasik surgery so the bloodshot eyes are a constant right now.
  
Before starting the GT diet my bowels would wake me up, now my bowels are a bit sluggish.
Maybe I am not drinking enough? I am certainly eating more veggies and fruits.

I did get one zit below the surface of my skin it never came out just disappeared.

I don't think that the GT diet is a big enough change for me to get too many detox symptoms.

  


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I definitely think I am experiencing detox symptoms...a cold, achey knees, headache, fatigue/sluggishness..but my digestions gets an A+..all good signs towards a new me
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I definitely think I am experiencing detox symptoms...a cold, achey knees, headache, fatigue/sluggishness..but my digestions gets an A+..all good signs towards a new me


I'm having similar symptoms...cold, achy but no fatigue or sluggishness...My digestion seems
to be on overdrive....eliminating more often...It feels like a cleansing reaction, and also my
nose keeps running.  That might be an allergy from the dairy I ate last week..

Just checking in to see if others are experiencing anything unusual.  I had detox-like symptoms
when I began the type A diet.  Maybe this is a good thing


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Would a noticeable increase in body odour (armpits) qualify as a detox symptom? In the past few years I've noticed a distinct absence in BO but just this past week there's been a change and I've had to run out and buy some deodorant (of the natural kind, hope it works). At first I thought my hormones were being affected by the BTD/GTD but maybe it's a symptom of detoxing instead. Anyone else notice something similar?


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
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  My menstrual cycle had alot of clots this time around.

A symptom of detox perhaps  


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Before starting the GT diet my bowels would wake me up, now my bowels are a bit sluggish.
Maybe I am not drinking enough? I am certainly eating more veggies and fruits.


R u drinking hot teas ?? I find that helps ... especially fennel  

Cheers  

  




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Would a noticeable increase in body odour (armpits) qualify as a detox symptom? In the past few years I've noticed a distinct absence in BO but just this past week there's been a change and I've had to run out and buy some deodorant (of the natural kind, hope it works). At first I thought my hormones were being affected by the BTD/GTD but maybe it's a symptom of detoxing instead. Anyone else notice something similar?


This is definitely a very common symptom of detox
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Must increase the tea. Yup.
I just today started the female balance protocol.


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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

Before starting the GT diet my bowels would wake me up, now my bowels are a bit sluggish.
Maybe I am not drinking enough? I am certainly eating more veggies and fruits.


For me too... and I have experienced my old nemesis of blood sugar crashes so it has me a bit freaked out....    Not sure what to do about this....



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I noticed inceased BO when I started BTD and it is still there   . Nothing seems to help it. Some days I can't stand being near me  


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Perhaps this may be of help to all of us  
http://www.dr-jo-md.com/detoxificationsymptoms.html

Cheers  


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I will go out on a limb here.
   The new GT diet will mean changes for our bodies.
I do think that many people have gut issues and the change from the  GTD to the BTD addresses many of those issues.
The 3-6 month induction period is  probably how long it takes for most people to heal the gut lining, or to start the healing process.

Healing the gut is of primary  importance to overall health.
  Vitamins minerals and  bacteria can not work properly unless the gut is well.  So you can eat the Black Dot things once the gut lining is healed.

I see genius in the GTD.

I also see that you can customize the diet based on your specific health problems/needs.
  For instance, I have white lines on my prints which means I have a gluten or lectin intolerance.
My intestine has special needs to heal, I look at my dairy list, I see kefir, cottage cheese, paneer etc.  I chose kefir, it packs the most punch for my GI tract.
   I have a family history of high cholesterol I see okra on my list, I know okra has been shown to lower cholesterol.  I chose the okra.
See it is really genius,

I think I got a bit off track here but I get so excited about this, part of the diet.




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Quoted from teri
Would a noticeable increase in body odour (armpits) qualify as a detox symptom? In the past few years I've noticed a distinct absence in BO but just this past week there's been a change .... Anyone else notice something similar?


That was something I really noticed after about a week on Genotype.  I was feeling pretty smug prior to that when I noticed I no longer had body odor on Blood Type.  

Lisalea - thanks for the excellent article!
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Lisalea - thanks for the excellent article!

U're very welcome, I'm glad to be of help !!  



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That was something I really noticed after about a week on Genotype.  I was feeling pretty smug prior to that when I noticed I no longer had body odor on Blood Type.


Yes, only on genotype, about 10 days in for me.


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Quoted from Lisalea
Perhaps this may be of help to all of us  
http://www.dr-jo-md.com/detoxificationsymptoms.html


I just read this, and maybe here's another piece of the puzzle for me (see BTD is helping but not enough).  I have noticed that I have been a lot more short-tempered and likely to blurt out what I was thinking (very unlike my typical behavior), since starting BTD, on now on GTD.  I also had a bad depression spell last week, Monday through Wednesday, following fasting on Saturday night to Sunday afternoon.

The above website recommended chlorella (an herb) and Ambrotose (a supplement of some kind?).  Any other supps/herbs I could use to speed along the process?

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Okay, many parts of the following post may be "TMI" for some folks.  Kind of heavy on the graphic images involving various bodily fluids, so brace yourselves or look away now!

Well, for myself, I don't know if this is a coincidence or not, as there are several other reasons in my life I can think of that this happened now, but a few days into the Gatherer diet, I came down with THE single worst cold I've experienced in about five years.  Since going on the BTD, I very rarely get colds, which is pretty amazing, considering an ENT told me upon examining me in 1993 and, to his horror, discovering that my nasal turbinates had been surgically removed years back (which was news to me, too), among other things that he feels are travesties that happened during the same two surgeries when I was 15, to basically expect constant colds .  But between living in Florida (where I moved shortly after that ENT visit!) and the BTD, I only get colds maybe once every few years and usually it is a very mild one.  In the past ten years, I've probably had 2 or 3 bad colds, including this one.

ANYWAY, so I am now at the end (one would hope) of this thing, but it was a very "deep" cold, very intense.  I still can't taste a blasted thing, which is starting to freak me out.  

Meanwhile, my menstrual period started a week early and quite heavy, which freaked me out because I think in the last year or so I must have started "perimenapause", as my periods are usually much shorter than they used to be and lighter.  But this one means business.

It is like every system and orafice in my body is doing a deep cleanse or something!!!!!!!!!!!!

Meanwhile, I've lost several pounds I think (we just finally did get our new doctor's scale at work, which is SEVEN POUNDS heavier than the dog scale at the vet's, which I think is wrong, sadly).  I seem to be on a very even keel and steady with food, no desire to eat anything other than superfoods, basically.

I think the answer to the question in the original post is as Brighid said:  it depends on what kind of diet, exercise and lifestyle one had before the GTD as to what kind of detox reaction, if any, one would experience.  If you went from the standard American diet (as evidenced at "Temptation Island" where I work, as we speak, by cans of chocolate "Reddiwhip", Angel Food cake, and some sort of foul-looking corn syrup thing with strawberries in it) to the GTD, depending on your individual physical makeup, you might expect some detox symptoms.  Or you might be like me when I first went on ER4YT, and the only "symptoms" you experience are POSITIVE ones like all cravings going away, feeling steady and sated, feeling energized, losing weight, etc.

If you go from the already very anti-inflammatory, pure, "clean", customized, whole foods BTD to the GTD, you'd think any "detox" would be minimal.  ...But then again look at me!  I seem to be deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep in it, babies!!!  Again, though, there are other reasons that could explain why a cold took such hold in me right now, but the timing IS very intriguing to me.  And the period thing, also, other reasons could explain...but the timing is what it is.  And it is interesting.  And I don't know if commencing the GTD explains all or part of it, but I do feel certain that, whether it does or not,* my body is detoxing via the cold and the period and it is definitely like this:

The tide is going OUT.

* edited to add italicized blurb:  Even if the GTD is not the reason that these things happened right now, I think it is at least part of the reason that they have been so intense and powerful, why they have "gone deep".

It's actually a wonderful feeling (not that Friday, especially, and Saturday were "a wonderful feeling" with this cold--Friday was h*ll on earth, not to put too fine a point on it) to just let everything flow out and to visualize the deep detoxing and healing going on.  And now that the cold is passing, my upper-respiratory tract feels better than it has in ages, and in general I feel very sort of ....oh, so hard to explain, but it is like:  tired, but, as David Letterman would kiddingly say, yet I mean it sincerely:  "a good kind of tired".  Sticking with the tide analogy:  I feel very washed out, light, flexible (if that makes any sense) and reeee-laxed.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.  If I had to go through Friday to get here, so be it.

I've also been thinking, I don't want to eat any junk next time my sis and BIL get to town.  I want to go back to being the pain-in-the-b*tt family "health food nut" who won't eat anything and just sips water or tea when they are at their usual TOX FEST restaurant.  Now that I've detoxed, I don't want to "tox" again.

Will I ever consume anything "impure" again?  Sure, but I don't feel like doing so for a good, loooooooooooong time, if ever.  For now I want to not only eat pure foods, but eat Gatherer superfoods at that.

Bring on the turkey, bring on da funk!


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A Naturopath once said to me that the LIVER shows up in the eyes ...  if I'm wrong please somebody correct me ...  



Hi Lisalea,
Yes the liver does show up in the eyes. According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, TCM, the Liver meridian "connects with the eyes, 2 branches leave the eye area: one descends across the cheek to encircle the inner surface of the lips; a second branch ascends across the forehead to reach the vertex of the head"* quoted from 'Chinese Medicine the web that has no weaver'.
The liver is also strongly associated with headaches, often due to being overloaded by a typical western diet. Milk thistle is great for helping to detox/support the liver. And obviously lot's of good quality water always helps with detoxing the body.
Best wishes for getting back on track and feeling better soon.


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Of course we should expect detox.
I remember making some major food changes in 1982(pre-BTD days), got better, but in Feb. 1983 had what I consider a bad flu. But I haven't had the flu since.
Yeah, PT, get that junk out of your system & enjoy GTDing!!
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Hi Lisalea,
Yes the liver does show up in the eyes. According to Traditional Chinese Medicine, TCM, the Liver meridian "connects with the eyes, 2 branches leave the eye area: one descends across the cheek to encircle the inner surface of the lips; a second branch ascends across the forehead to reach the vertex of the head"* quoted from 'Chinese Medicine the web that has no weaver'.
The liver is also strongly associated with headaches, often due to being overloaded by a typical western diet. Milk thistle is great for helping to detox/support the liver. And obviously lot's of good quality water always helps with detoxing the body.
Best wishes for getting back on track and feeling better soon.



Thank-u very much monstar for ur good wishes, I appreciate it and wish u a wealth of health as well and the same goes for everyone else on this amazing board !!  


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