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SquarePeg
Sunday, January 13, 2008, 4:13am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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How can curry be listed as a Superfood when it typically contains Fenugreek, a toxin?  I'm referring to the Explorer diet, but I think this discrepancy appears in other GTDs, as well.

And why are such things as curry and chocolate even listed?  These are composite foods.  Curry contains tumeric, fenugreek, plus other spices, which depend on the brand.

Also, chocolate is based on cocoa, but it also contains sweeteners, flavorings and an emulsifier.  Rather than list chocolate, I think cocoa should be listed.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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How can curry be listed as a Superfood when it typically contains Fenugreek, a toxin?  I'm referring to the Explorer diet, but I think this discrepancy appears in other GTDs, as well.

And why are such things as curry and chocolate even listed?  These are composite foods.  Curry contains tumeric, fenugreek, plus other spices, which depend on the brand.


As you noted the composition of curry powder does vary, so it may it may not have a lot of fenugreek it (but it does usually have some).

If curry powder was not specified, curry may refer to the curry plant, which is sometimes used in cooking.


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So consider it cocoa. Done and done. Also, fenugreek is not an avoid for any O genotype. Curry does refer to the composite, sorry.
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Yes that is a bit confusing.  I make my own curry, but since cumin and fenugreek are both black dots, and for my gatherer husband coriander is also a black dot, I am not sure what to make my curry out of lol!  Not sure how it can be a diamond superfood, unless the spices work synergistically in a better way than alone?  Until I know for sure, I will just leave curry until after the intial phase I guess.


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Rather than list chocolate, I think cocoa should be listed.

I agree......yet in the gatherer menu today some had 'kisses'!

all these details will be fine tuned eventually, with the help of all us followers!
fenugreek is a diamond for gatherers! I knew it all along!! lol
there s a fenugreek relish recipe from Israel somewhere in the old boards!
need to go digging!

I believe the fenugreek content in curry is minimal!
for those GTs for whom curry appears in their list and fenugreek is out.


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I was confused about curry too when I saw coriander listed as an ingredient, but I think I'll just make my own mix if I need to use it.  But then I only need to worry about one person.

I'm glad chocolate is listed - I found a baking bar of chocolate at Trader Joes-- 100% pure cacao.  I have begun to eat a square in the evening and thoroughly enjoy it.
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It looks like it is listed as just curry, not curry powder.  Since the entry is not curry powder maybe it's curry leaf from the curry leaf tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_Tree
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It looks like it is listed as just curry, not curry powder.  Since the entry is not curry powder maybe it's curry leaf from the curry leaf tree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_Tree


Sorry, we've been through this before. It is not the tree leaf (which by the way is very nice, similar to bay leaf). There is no reason to think it is different than the BTD rating, which is the powder.

The clicher is that the USDA database does not list info on curry leaf and it is highly unlikely that Dr D would have added the info from another source.
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Also, chocolate is based on cocoa, but it also contains sweeteners, flavorings and an emulsifier.  Rather than list chocolate, I think cocoa should be listed.


I am a fellow Explorer but also a nonnie and enjoy my chocolate, 99% pure cacao, and my cocoa powder in very different ways so am pleased to see 2 different ratings.  My understanding is that cocoa is more refined and contains less caffeine, an issue for us Explorers, than chocolate.  So with chocolate being on the limited list, it is nice to have cocoa on the neutral list.  

As for curry, up to 20 spices can make up curry powder.  I guess Dr. D is giving us some room to make up our own.  Here is a link to a curry recipe that does not have fenugreek, which is a limited food but not an avoid food.  

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_25741,00.html

It contains mustard powder, a limited food for Explorers, and cayenne, which looks like it falls with the other chilies as a limited food.  I imagine you can leave off both and maybe add 1 tsp. of fennel, which is a superfood for Explorers and maybe a couple of whole cloves, a neutral for Explorers.  Both common ingredients in curry powder.  Sounds good to me....  
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That is to say that I am assuming since cocoa is not listed in any genotype listing that it is a neutral for all but I don't know if included in Dr. D's testing.  So an assumption on my part - that I hope is correct.  Carob is a limited item for Nomads but cocoa is not listed.  Does anyone know from Genotype forum boards whether cocoa is part of the foods that were rated?  
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Treat cocoa the same as chocolate and you'll do fine.
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Quoted from Lloyd

Sorry, we've been through this before.  


Yes, I remember, no longer than I've been browsing these threads I have seen the topic before.  

Wouldn't it resolve the issue if the food entries could just be a little more specific.  The entries for Mustard are already specific... "Mustard, with vinegar".  So how about "Curry seasoning with ok ingredients".   "Or Chocolate with ok ingredients".

While we're at it how 'bout "Mayo, w/out vinegar" and "Chili powder with ok ingredients".

Can these changes be made?  
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Lloyd
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The best chance of getting it done is to post a new thread on the Suggestion Box board ( http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-Suggest/ ) with your ideas.
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