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Mrs T O+
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I just realized on Saturday night that the book is not written to a BTD audience as much as a general one. All of us here are BTDers & I think, at least in my case, it colored how I approached the testing.  Where in actuality, the first focus whould be on the 3 measurements & then to delve into types, etc.  This may sound trivial, but I was jumping ahead in my subconcious somehow...  I'm not sure exactly what I even mean, but did any of you go in with a BTD mindset more than a general one?
Anyway, this will be good for the general audience as they won't be turned off by at BT emphasis at first.
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I just realized on Saturday night that the book is not written to a BTD audience as much as a general one. All of us here are BTDers & I think, at least in my case, it colored how I approached the testing.  Where in actuality, the first focus whould be on the 3 measurements & then to delve into types, etc.  This may sound trivial, but I was jumping ahead in my subconcious somehow...  I'm not sure exactly what I even mean, but did any of you go in with a BTD mindset more than a general one?

I think after ten years of the BTD being integral to my life, I go into everything with a BTD mindset!  It just gives us that extra edge of specific knowledge that maybe the general public reading the Genotype Diet won't have.  For example, harmonykitty was saying to me that, as a B, even though chicken is on her Nomad black-dot toxins to avoid list, meaning she could add it back in after 3 to 6 months, she doesn't think she will, as she knows too much about Type B and the chicken lectin.  So that is one way that, for her, the BTD was more specific than the GTD, so she will choose to avoid that black-dot toxin on an ongoing basis.  By contrast, in the majority of ways, I feel that the GTD is more individualized and specific for me than the BTD, like I am thrilled that I will be able to enjoy cottage cheese again, which I've always missed and felt would be fine for me, and cinnamon, which also moves from avoid to diamond superfood!

Mrs. T., the bottom line is, the Genotype Diet is even more individualized and customized because it takes more into account than just blood type.  However, for certain specific things, having the blood type diet knowledge really comes in handy within the Genotype framework, for things like Nomad B's and chicken.  The black dot is there...but they know too much *lol*!

I hope the above made any sense.  At this early point in my own Genotype Diet journey, I am finding it to be much more "Twist-specific" than even my beloved BTD...yet if certain things conflict with something that I really felt was a strong point of the O non BTD theory/diet, I am free to stick to my O non guns.

So far, I haven't had an example of that, but then it has only been a few days!  But if anything, it is the other way, like:  Ooooooh, cinnamon, I knew it!  Oooooh, cottage cheese, I knew it!  Eeeeeaaaah:  I thought eggs were bennies for me, I knew salmon was a bennie for me, Oooooooh, oatmeal:  I missed you!



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MrsT...This a very good question.  I approach everything with the BTD mindset, and I think I would approach the book the same.
I am waiting to get the book from the library, and it is on hold for me as the first reader.
I am glad you asked this for i will read it like a novice.
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Mrs T,
I understand what you are saying, I think.  

It seems like a person who has not already bonded with the BTD may find it easier to adopt their GTD.  Some of us are being tested in our flexibility to be able to be open minded.  Especially those who have had serious health problems and have experienced such an improvement on the BTD, may be a little nervous to rock the boat.  Those folks may transition gradually instead of all at once.



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As a BTDer, I'm thinking that I'll treat any neutrals as their old blood type classification.  It's hard to stop thinking of collard greens as beneficial for example.


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Mrs T,

It seems like a person who has not already bonded with the BTD may find it easier to adopt their GTD.  Some of us are being tested in our flexibility to be able to be open minded.  Especially those who have had serious health problems and have experienced such an improvement on the BTD, may be a little nervous to rock the boat.  Those folks may transition gradually instead of all at once.


I couldn't have said it better.  I am having a very hard time transitioning after following BTD for 9 years.
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As a BTDer, I'm thinking that I'll treat any neutrals as their old blood type classification.  It's hard to stop thinking of collard greens as beneficial for example.

If you think that is hard, wait until you try conceiving of kale as a black-dot avoid.





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I couldn't have said it better.  I am having a very hard time transitioning after following BTD for 9 years.

Guys, it is like swimming:

You've got two types of people when it comes to getting into the water.  You've got your "toe dippers" and your "plunge right into the deep end-ers".  I myself fall firmly into the last category.  Cannonball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the only way, for me personally, to get over the shock of the cold water and warm right up is to PLUNGE into the deep end.  By the time you surface, you are all warmed up!

I never understood peeps who sit there at the shallow end and dip one big toe in, exclaiming "AAAAAAAAH!  OMG, this is so cold!"

It's like, yeah, it's cold if you do that.  You have to jump in!



This doesn't mean that anything you learned from your years on the BTD is lost to you!  On the contrary, you can treasure and use the specifics of what you learned in the BTD.  Like, if I were a Type A Gatherer* with a history of breast cancer in the family, I would still eat peanuts even though they are a Gatherer avoid, because I would know they help my body recognize cancer cells as other-than-self.  In that one narrow example, the BTD is more specific than the GTD.  And if I were a Type B Gatherer, I might still avoid chicken, even though it is a black-dotter.  So even though the GTD is even more finely-customized to the individual than the already-so-refined BTD, there are certain specific things from the BTD that might be exceptions and trump the GTD for certain people in certain situations.  But on the whole, I say jump right in, the water is so fine!  If you just tentatively ease in up to your waist, you are going to be chilly and dazed, you have to take the plunge, guys!

    

* omg/edited to add:  aha!  Even my example has a flaw which further illustrates/shows how the GTD is even more customized than the BTD, and there is nada to worry about, re plunging right into the deep end:  A Type A, using the advanced calculator, cannot BE a Gatherer, hence I'm sure whatever types they could fall into can ingest peanuts.  See what I mean?!

Dang, this thing rocks elegantly!



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I'm more of a toe dipper, so it could be painful to watch.  You're right about kale...who'd o'thought.

And I'll probably use more watermelon and grapefruit and less tomatoes for lycopene sources knowing what the nightshades do to all my itis's.  Still it's nice to know that I will eventually be able to have eggplant as an occasional treat.

I was very happy to see manchego on the black dot list.  I was using it some since it is a sheep milk product, but nice to know for sure it will be OK.

One thing I'm wondering is about spelt.  Whole spelt is listed as a toxin.  Usually whole grains are worse.  Does that mean refined spelt is neutral?  I notice that whole and white wheat are specifically listed as toxins, but only the whole grains for some of the other grains.


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One thing I'm wondering is about spelt.  Whole spelt is listed as a toxin.  Usually whole grains are worse.  Does that mean refined spelt is neutral?

Just my opinion:  No.  That means that the whole grain is an avoid, including anything refined from it, such as refined spelt flour.  Gotta go!  ((HUG, glad U R back))


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One thing I'm wondering is about spelt.  Whole spelt is listed as a toxin.  Usually whole grains are worse.  Does that mean refined spelt is neutral?  I notice that whole and white wheat are specifically listed as toxins, but only the whole grains for some of the other grains.


I'm curious about that as well. "Wheat, spelt" is a black-dot toxin on the Nomad list so I'm guessing that means all spelt, whole or white? I would think that means if "Wheat, whole spelt" is specifically listed, refined spelt would be okay. It could be like wheat in that the wheat germ and bran are the troublesome parts so maybe the refined form is neutral.



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I'm curious about that as well. "Wheat, spelt" is a black-dot toxin on the Nomad list so I'm guessing that means all spelt, whole or white? I would think that means if "Wheat, whole spelt" is specifically listed, refined spelt would be okay. It could be like wheat in that the wheat germ and bran are the troublesome parts so maybe the refined form is neutral.



That is a commonsense approach and should serve you well.
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I'm curious about that as well. "Wheat, spelt" is a black-dot toxin on the Nomad list so I'm guessing that means all spelt, whole or white? I would think that means if "Wheat, whole spelt" is specifically listed, refined spelt would be okay. It could be like wheat in that the wheat germ and bran are the troublesome parts so maybe the refined form is neutral.

I see what you guys are saying, logic-wise, but I don't draw the same conclusion.  While, BTDer that I am (you can take the girl out of the BTD, but you can't take the BTD out of the girl...and she wouldn't want you to!), I would rather eat a piece of Wonderbread any day than a piece of whole wheat bread, because of the lectin issue (I theorize that the refined Wonderbread has had all or at least more of the lectins destroyed in it than whole wheat...but actually I don't KNOW either way), I think that if something says "wheat, whole" or "spelt, whole" is an avoid, then that also means that any part of that whole is an avoid.

It is true that, for example, in ER4YT blackberries are an O avoid but, per Dr. D. himself long ago, in a faraway galaxy, when I asked him this question, blackberry LEAVES should be okay, free of the lectin activity.  However, blackberry leaves are a different thing than blackberries.  The leaves of the plant are different, component-wise, than the fruit.  A refined flour, on the other hand, is a component of the whole grain.  Thus the reason I don't draw the same conclusions as y'all.  While, from a lectin perspective, it might be slightly or a lot better than the whole version, if the whole version is a toxin to avoid, my opinion is that the refined part is a toxin to avoid.

Just my two cents, based soley on my own logic and not on any official word on the subject.  That would be a question to pose on genotypediet.com, if you really wonder and want Dr. D. or another support person to answer ya.  Personally, I feel pretty sure that I should avoid refined versions of any avoid whole grain.




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I'm glad yawl understood what I was trying to say, I think!!
It certainly is strange that chick peas went from avoid to bennies in hunter. That's awesome, as they are so good. It also was hard to imagine that a staple in the whole Middle East would be an avoid for most of those folks.
It's also really funny to note that plums & their derivatives (prunes, etc) went from bennies to avoids!!
I remember when I read ER4YT how disappointed I was that there were so few bene fruits when certain fruits made me feel soooo good, like watermelon.
Now we know & we keep learning! I can eat some garbanzos soon! Yummy!
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I'm new to the BTD.  I've known that I'm Type 0-, but I haven't gotten my secretor status yet.  So I simply followed the Intermediate procedure like a docile follower.

But then I looked at the Explorer diet and got a bit upset at the benny/avoid flip flops.  That's when I read some of the other descriptions and diets and started to think I'm a Hunter.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Did you strength test? Do you plan to get the secretor test? Did you check the advanced chart to see if secretor status could make a difference?
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I'm curious about that as well. "Wheat, spelt" is a black-dot toxin on the Nomad list so I'm guessing that means all spelt, whole or white? I would think that means if "Wheat, whole spelt" is specifically listed, refined spelt would be okay. It could be like wheat in that the wheat germ and bran are the troublesome parts so maybe the refined form is neutral.



That doesn't make things a whole lot easier.  Most prepared breads and crackers have some of each.  It would help if you're cooking from scratch.


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If you where not familiar with BTD and started the GTD wouldn't you just eat the foods listed as is on the GTD site?
Like Flax bread--people just assume they can buy whatever is marked flax bread and don't understand the avoids. The same with when it says Chocolate kisses. I mean it does say you can eat them.
So are we stricter because we understand BTD or should we just eat as it is listed?


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we are stricter because we understand BTD and are now transitioning into GTD....
the gtd website is also transitioning and adapting Dr Ds knowledge into their diet programs.
we need to use our best judgment while everything falls into place.


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So is GTD an accredited update of the BTD way of eating?

So GTD is to replace BTD correct?

and the change to this will not only heal us but will also promote better genes to upcoming generations. Correct?
(this is done by people still young enough to produce children and by us older ones talking our children and/or grandchildren into following the GTD Correct so their offsprings can be healthier and there bodies will work correctly.
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Seems pretty much on target...

It won't change the genes, just how they are used. Still pretty important.
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it is also about prevention for us elderly ones!


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Quoted from Lola
it is also about prevention for us elderly ones!


What do you mean elderly!!!!!!   You’re 5 years younger than me!   Being compliant on the BTD and now the GTD means that within our group we are middle aged.  75 yrs old and up is elderly.  



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What do you mean elderly!!!!!!   You’re 5 years younger than me!   Being compliant on the BTD and now the GTD means that within our group we are middle aged.  75 yrs old and up is elderly.  


On the BTD for 6 years, I was looking and feeling 10 years younger. My vanity leads me to hope that I will be relatively stable in the appearance dept. permanently, on the GTD.
I'll let you know after another 10 years have passed!
Jenny, Warrior.




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