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Peppermint Twist
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Oh, goodness.  I had THE single best post of my or anyone else's lifetime done this morning, in response to mercedes, and because our dang internet connection keeps going off today, it was lost to posterity.  I pressed "post" and got "the page cannot be displayed", and after that it is all a blurr but the bottom line is:  post GONE.  I am not even going to attempt to recreate that particular masterpiece.  I wonder if this is how Michael Angelo felt if he worked on a sculpture for ten years and then tripped and dropped it on the way to where he wanted to display it!



I will just move on to Devora.
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I trudge through these waters to where Dr. D. is bringing me!!

Okay, I have identified your prob:  trudging is not an effective way of traversing through water!  One must dive headfirst underwater and do not emerge again until you are at the other end of the pool and have dazzled everyone with how long you can hold your breath!  Seriously, you don't need to trudge.  What about skipping, sashaying, skateboarding?* The trick is to ENJOY the ride, baby!  No trudging!  Trudging is for those on the "cabbage diet" or the "no fat, just pasta" diet.  You are on the GTD, Dr. D.'s magnum opus!  Commence skipping!

*Just, please, do me a solid and don't skateboard past my house!  I've just about got my sanity back from the departed skateboard gang, don't blow it for me!

Quoted from Devora Devora bo bora, banana fana fo fora!
In the meantime: big SF breakfast: A full package of shredded cabbage (made into coslaw with my olive oil almondaise) plus a can of black beans (I have got to prepare these fresh!  Canned food is rotten!) and now I ate a few carob/spelt cookies and some peppermint tea.
  
There you go!  I detect some joy going on already!
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After checking my cards last night (and I think you ought to say that I am such a TEACHER now and not an A!!! - Get out of that old fashioned typing P.Twisti!!!)

Actually, that index card thing was a pretty dang GREAT idea!  Yet I just had to tease you about it!  I kid the A's!  Yet I love them.  And, face it, you are still an A, missy!  Just as I am still a mischevious little tease-prone O!  ...Gotta love me?
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...and I discovered that I am not eating enough grains!!!

Huh.  Never had that problem, myself!  I can't relate!
Quoted from Devora
Yes, I like those cards!  At the end of the day, I can see where I am off.

Okay, already, I admit it:  the cards are a stroke of brilliance!  Too Type A for me, like measuring, weighing, counting points, baking, following a recipe, coloring within the lines, but a stroke of brilliance nonetheless!  I applaud all those who have the discipline to implement the Devora Method!

  


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I'm sure that this is a question that has been asked before somewhere, but here goes.  

I'm a 'new' Teacher and now Mutton is on my Super-de-Duper list.  (Yea, I think).  I've been cooking lamb for years for DH as he is a B/Nomad, and all of that time I NEVER see mutton, just lamb.

Can anyone tell me what the difference is?
I didn't see this answered yet, and I think I know the answer.  Mutton is from a grown up lamb or a sheep.  Mutton is to Lamb as Beef is to Veal.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I would encourage anyone interested in knowing more about the mechanics of the diet to see what is available at genotypediet.com, where Dr D is answering questions and providing explanations. There will be more information there as time goes on and already there is some that I have found useful.

That is a good suggestion Lloyd, but I think this is the type of information that should be available for free on the genotype site.
I am a researcher myself (although in a different field) and talking about how the research was done is a standard in any published material such as articles etc. It would have been ideal if the methodology information had been in Dr. D.'s book, but it would also be fine if it was on the part of the genotype site which you can access without having to pay for it.

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Quoted from Curious

That is a good suggestion Lloyd, but I think this is the type of information that should be available for free on the genotype site.
I am a researcher myself (although in a different field) and talking about how the research was done is a standard in any published material such as articles etc. It would have been ideal if the methodology information had been in Dr. D.'s book, but it would also be fine if it was on the part of the genotype site which you can access without having to pay for it.


You are clearly entitled to an opinion!  

If you have not done so, reading this thread may give you some insight into the reasons that it is the way it is:

$5.00/week a bit expensive for me

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Oceanworshipper,

Sorry to hear about the loss of your mammoth superpost.  May he rest in peace.  Thanks again for your lovely tap-dance response.

I don't know how long I will hold out with the cards, but they are good to check myself.

I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.  Eating when not hungry is always a mistake!

Today, again , I superbreakfasted it.  Salad with tuna, cranberries (dried), almonds, sprouts, plus yogurt and jam...too much food!  I'd better watch it.


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Devora, I tried to make the cards....it was hilarious because I have never been in WW and do not know how they are used, tried to make it up.  It seems like a good idea....I'll let ya know if it works out.
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Quoted from Devora


I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.  Eating when not hungry is always a mistake


See and this dramatic change in what I can eat has made me lose 5lbs, because I have no desire to eat what I'm supposed to and am undereating. (The undereating is a common problem that I'm pretty sure is partially responsible for my weight... I have to be the only person who loses weight when I go on vacation...)

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Went out and got some puffed Quinoa flavored with olive oil and Zatar (middle Eastern spice).  Had that for lunch along with sprouted mung beans and dried pineapple.  I also bought some OAT milk to replace the soy milk.  Tastes rather nice.  Sweet.

I bought some Quinces.  They are big and hard.  I wonder if they are ripe.


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Quoted from Devora
I think all this pressure on eating is making me over eat (too big of portions).  Normally, my weight goes down from Shabbat from 134-5 to 133.  I am now back at 135.  I think it is that I am forcing myself, non-hungy , to eat grains.

Why are you forcing yourself to eat grains when you aren't hungry?



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The Warrior diet will be a snap for me.
Basically it eliminates red meat which I did not eat more than couple of times per year; and giving up poultry is no big deal either.
It is pretty much vegetarian with eggs, cheese, cottage cheese and fish being available.  Having more egs than was recommended before is a plus, cause I missed them.
And Chocolate is a diamond...oh boy!
Changing some of the fruits, grains and legumes is no big deal either.
namaste
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Quoted from ruthie
And Chocolate is a diamond...oh boy!
namaste
ruthie
Hmm, I wonder if that means chocolate bars are beneficial, or just cocoa?  For example, carob is a benny for type O on the BTD.  But carob chips are nasty things with sweetener and palm kernel oil, and they made me sick.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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If we're considering eating any prepared food, such as a chocolate bar, we need to read the ingredient list.  Each ingredient is important.  Just because chocolate may be a superfood, the other ingredients may be toxins.  You could always go with unsweetened chocolate, melt it down and add a compliant sweetener.  Or try unsweetened cocoa in many different ways.



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I think you're right on with this, all the diets appear to be very well balanced nutritionally. So the foods have changed, so you find what you need in another food. It all works. I checked nutritiondata.com for their analysis of blueberries, they are not rated very high for weight loss. There are about 139 fruit choices ahead of blueberries that work better for weight loss. So this may be the reasoning behind making it a black dot.


One thing I notice in Typebase is that blueberries are pretty much 100% carbohydrate.  Raspberries have 6% protein, not a big difference, but possibly part of the reason blueberries are black dot.  Blueberries are also about 10 times higher in Vitamin K than raspberries.  I'm noticing that a lot of the black dot veggies are high in vitamin K.  I could understand why it might be better to keep the balance toward thinner blood for heavier out of balance gatherers, but then when back to normal, beef up the clotting factors.  I know Type O is prone to thinner blood, easy bruising, I'm not sure where that would fit in with other blood types that are also gatherers.

There are also plenty of other sources of antioxidants and fruit fiber in the gatherer diet.


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Cheryl,
those are interesting observations you found.  I am thinking that also, the low glycemic of let's say
raspberries are the most important if one is trying to lose weight and bring the body back into
"glycemic balance".....very interesting.  I hope I can become more compliant as I go with the diet.
I tried on some  clothes today, I really need to lose weight in my upper body, at least 20 lbs. I think
then I might feel healthier....
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I was thinking last night, upon reflecting on the posts about transitioning from BTD to GTD, and how some people are basically freaking out, about how much I HATED and resisted changing from my beloved WordPerfect for DOS to MS Word for Windows.  Why?  Because in WordPerfect 5.0 for DOS (long may it wave in my heart!), I could figure out anything and everything, I could understand the logic of EVERYTHING, by simply using a feature called "reveal codes".  You could see every single code in the document and you could figure out the WHY of EVERYTHING if you were really gooooooooooooooooood (and, day-uuuum, I was gooooooooooooooood).  With Word for Windows, by contrast, there is no reveal codes.  You are flying blind half the time.

With WordPerfect for DOS, I could pop open the hood and figure out EXACTLY what was going on with the car.  With Word, I have to trust that the program knows what it is doing in many situations.  And since I'm not a Word or Windows fan, that ain't happnin'.  I still basically pine for WordPerfect *lol*!


Aaaah! A girl after my own heart!  I still mourn the loss of Word Perfect 5.....    So easy to work out what had gone wrong (if it did) with reveal codes, now it's impossible.

I'm with you all the way there!


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Quoted from Devora
I bought some Quinces.  They are big and hard.  I wonder if they are ripe.


You cant eat quinces raw -they should be cooked.
Here is a list with different recipes
http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/004155quince.php



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We had a french couple as guests a year or two ago.  They told me about "coing" or quince and how
it's usually made into a paste or confection in Southern France.  It is delicious.  I have found the paste at Whole Foods, near the specialty cheeses.
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We had a french couple as guests a year or two ago.  They told me about "coing" or quince and how
it's usually made into a paste or confection in Southern France.  It is delicious.  I have found the paste at Whole Foods, near the specialty cheeses.


Yes you boil them quince until it resembles as dry reddish jello/paste - it taste very good with dry cheese or one its own - you can see it here: http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/006144membrillo_quince_paste.php


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I was wondering about the black dot items since Dr. D says that we can eat them in moderation after 3-6 months ...

What's the consensus on how many times per week that would amount to, ESPECIALLY if u don't have a weight problem ... does it make a difference or NOT  

Hoping everybody's eating for their Genotype and loving it  
I'm trying  

Thanks folks  



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I didn't see this answered yet, and I think I know the answer.  Mutton is from a grown up lamb or a sheep.  Mutton is to Lamb as Beef is to Veal.  I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.



Yep, I guess I knew that part.  What I was wondering is: Does anyone know what the difference is between the benefits of mutton over lamb with regards to status change from the Superfood of Mutton to the black dot avoid of lamb.  Anyone?


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Looks more clear to me after having considered the respective nutrient breakdowns. Nutritiondata.com works, or ask at genotypediet.com is another alternative.  
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Aaaah! A girl after my own heart!  I still mourn the loss of Word Perfect 5.....    So easy to work out what had gone wrong (if it did) with reveal codes, now it's impossible.

I'm with you all the way there!

WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS FOREVER!  It was my true love.

Now I'm stuck in Microsoft pergatory.  

I always say that using Microsoft Word (or any of the Microsoft programs, except for the lovely Visio...which was created by someone else and then bought by Microsoft, which explains why it is an exception to the rule) is like operating on a patient while blindfolded.  It's like:  okay, let's try this.  Can't really tell what's wrong, so let's troubleshoot through 50 things to try to--aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!  Why is blood pouring out of the patient?  Looks like I hit a major artery.  I hate when that happens.

Oh, WP 5.1, WP 5.1.  Long may you continue revealing your codes in word processing heaven!

...Meanwhile, down here on earth, we are stuck with Microsoft.

     



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P.S.  That said, I'm still the one they all come to when they can't figure out WHAT is going ON with their Word document.  Why?  Well, because I possess those two key Gatherer traits, necessary to triumphing over MS Word:

1.  "phenomenal capacity for prolonged and concentrated brain work"

and

2.  "algorithmic mindset:  natural born problem solver"

Seriously, I hear this at least once per day:

"Ednaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!  Come look at my document!  WHY is it doing this?!"

Step aside, people, return to your homes and let the Word doctor through...okay, let's see what we've got...



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OMG I wish I had someone like you in my world ...I can't figure out the smallest stuff....
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WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS FOREVER!


ditto that!, the best word processing program ever written, was unassuming and so "revealing". Plus, the macro's feature that allowed you to do anything! I too went kicking and screaming to Word, which assumed everything and allowed nothing.




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