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Devora
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I posted this on the GTD boards, but I thought I woud put it here too.  While it applies to my own case fo going from A to Teacher, I think it will help everyone face the real changes that the GTD asks of us!

When I first looked at the Teacher diet, I thought there weren't that many changes.  I was taking the black dotted toxins to be basically neutrals.  It appears though, that they are, however, not neutrals, but kind of occational cheating avoids for future use. This makes the diet a big change.

Instead of trying to hold on to my old eating patterns, I think I am going to just "let go" and "Superfood it" for a while!  It won't be easy!

Ok.  I am giving in to Don, and for the meantime, I will look at those lovely black dot avoids as AVOIDS!!!

It's hard to stomach!  There are many of my HB and Neutral favorites and that are now avoids or black dot avoids: SOY MILK!!!, cherries, apricots, techina, chicken, CELERY!!!, CUCUMBER!, Kohlrabi, lettuce!, apples, GRAPES!, peaches, pomegranites, raisins, strawberries, rye flour, 100% sprouted wheat!!!

These foods have been the backbone of my diet for 8 BTDing years!!! I often wake up in the morning and have for breakfast either a protein soy milk shake with frozen strawberries and peaches or else I have some yogurt with fruit sweetened apricot or cherry jam!  No longer to be! Frozen nectarines are not available!!! How will I make a shake? YOW!  I used to drink pomigranite juice ALL THE TIME! I often have salads for lunch with lots of lettuce (I realize that Romaine lettuce might be a neutral - it is a bit hard not to have those neutrals listed!!!)  celery, kohlrabi, cucumber and raisins (plus other still permitted things). Eeek! I love to make apple crumble with apples and peaches (topped with oats and spelt in a crumble mix which is still ok).  I can still have my crumble topping, but what fruit can I put in!!!  There are almost no good cookable fruits on the Superfoods list!!!  Even pears are a black dot avoid!!!

I must admit, I always fel that too much fruit was bad for me. I have terrible candida problems, and I always had to watch my fruit consumption (I don't eat sugar ever.) If I ate too much fruit, I would throw myself into a terrible state.  Perhaps now I can see why!  Let's look at that fruit list.  Of the commonly available fresh fruits for eating, there aren't many AT ALL!  We can have blueberries (not available in Israel), grapefruit, kiwi, nectarine (seasonal!), persimmon (these are readily available in the winter in Israel), pineapple, and rasberries (also not to be found in Israel).  This is a total of 7 fruits!!!  And of these 2 are not availble. I have 5 fruits to eat and some of them are seasonal!!!  Donna Gates will be happy when she sees this list!  In her candida book, she is very pro BTD but limits the fruit!  Quite similar to what she said to eat in terms of fruit!

This will mean a total revamping of my eating lifestyle! I am going to have to find a recipient for all the soy milk I have stored in my cabinet, not to mention the apricot jam!!! I have to calm down and return to the tablula rasa (blank slate). We're starting anew, guys.  And it's gonna be fun! I always thought it would be fun to make a major dietary change after 8 years of re-programming myself to think according to the A diet, and now Dr. D. has given all of us the opportunity.  I must remember to think: "this is fun!"

Just now I ate my first superfood breakfast: Tuna and tofu salad with dried cranberries and made with Almond based olive oil  mayo, mashed avocado with lemon, homemade coslaw made with the above mentioned Almondaise mayo and sweetened with pineapple juice concentrate, and decaf mint green tea.  I ate a lot, but I feel great! (I assume that us A's still need to eat like kings int he morning! - haven't received my book yet!)

I think I am going to make myself some new shopping lists by studiying the food list.  What is neutral???  Peas.  What else?????

More later!



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Hi Devora,
I can relate as I am organizing my same transition; spinach, beet greens, celery become avoids; why (probably oxalic acid ?) ????. I have not still the book, so I wait to implement really GTD, but I found lamb on the market in Italy and not mutton or goat, organic turkey is a rare goody expensive as organic beef ( best cuts price !).
I preferred the warrior diet to which my A sec BTD was similar, beside corn, but probably I am not a Warrior.
Fruit is for me a summer treat, only some kiwis, grapefruit and plums and a rare avoid tangerines in this period.
Are not our eggs too much 6/9 a week; I ate 3/4 eggs a week with A sec BTD.
Have a nice start with Teacher diet !

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Thank you Dr. D I had a yummy Teacher lunch today !
I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !

Best regards and a wonderful New year
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Posted by Sue G.

I am questioning why watermelon and pineapple have been added as beneficial for gatherers since they have a high glycemic index? Also, I want to know WHY blueberries and brocolli are limited. Is there a quick rationale someone can give me?
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It comes down to addressing genetic based needs, which is always a multiple part question. Some foods may serve a function so well that other negatives about the food have to be overlooked, other foods may have negatives so large that benefits have to be overlooked. In the case of black-dots, that would be temporary.
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This may seem obvious, but what will determine if it's 3 or 6 months before we can have a sniff at the black dots?  Do followers of BTD have an advantage over rank GTD beginners?  It seems that most of my GTD black dots were staples on BTD.  


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I suggest you determine that for yourself based on your health, weight and other issues. Dr D did not give explicit instructions so it looks like there's some Individuality.  
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OK, Dr. D.  I changed my attitude, but something is still a miss!!! I have for years been intolerant of honey, reacting to it like white sugar (even organic honey, etc.) But, I thought, honey is a superfood.  Perhaps I will give it a try in a small amount, and see how I do with it. I made some almond milk with honey and carob in it yesterday.  I started feeling bad about 10 minutes after having only a few sips. I was sure that I owuld do fine with it, but I started gettignthat woozy, unbalanced feeling that tells me I ate something too sweet (and it wasn't all that sweet).  I usually try to combat a sugar OD with a few salty olives, but now they too have to be avoided.  I had some tofu dip and crackers instead.  

Maybe it's not my genes, but some kind of individual imbalance in my system.



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I personally am really loving the Hunter diet.  

Have I said yet how much I love lamb?

I vow to eat mysef stupid on some lamb.  Hoo, chile', yes I do.
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Quoted from Devora
I have for years been intolerant of honey, reacting to it like white sugar (even organic honey, etc.) But, I thought, honey is a superfood.  Perhaps I will give it a try in a small amount, and see how I do with it. I made some almond milk with honey and carob in it yesterday.  I started feeling bad about 10 minutes after having only a few sips....

Maybe it's not my genes, but some kind of individual imbalance in my system.


Maybe some more time on the GTD will help.  Perhaps you should consider honey a black dot for the moment, and not have it until you've been on the diet 3-6 months?  I'm hoping for the same with eggs: they are a superfood for me, but I can only tolerate of small amount of egg at a time.  With luck, a few months on GTD will level out whatever imbalances are causing our sensitivities, and we can then indulge in eggs/honey!
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Thanks for that tip drive 55!  I have driven through Richmond.  My Teacher's craving for nature makes me dream of living in Virginia!  I love mountains, Appalatchain style!

I have been feeling kind of bad with my new diet.  However, I remember my first month on the BTD: I felt awful!  But after that I felt great and didn't even get a single cold for an entire year (before that I got sick all the time.)

Just had lunch: fish (Israeli fish aren't on the list - so I assume they are OK), green beans, a can of refried pintos (YUCK - from now on I'll make them from dried pintos) with Quince juice  and dried cranberries.  


I ren out to the grocery store.  Picked kup:persimmons, kiwi, quince juice (would you believe!) blueberry jam, lots of beans, pumpkin, grapefruit, and some tuna.

I am trying to get used to this!!!


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Devora, I think of honey as more of an ingredient than a food.  So if I am making something that calls for a bit of sweetness, I use honey now.  It is just not something I enjoy on its own...too sweet for me.  But nice to have a superfood sweetener when I need it as an ingredient in something else!  

Now maple syrup on the other hand...*sigh*...but gotta leave that alone for a while now.


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Quoted from Devora
I posted this on the GTD boards, but I thought I woud put it here too.  While it applies to my own case fo going from A to Teacher, I think it will help everyone face the real changes that the GTD asks of us!

When I first looked at the Teacher diet, I thought there weren't that many changes.  I was taking the black dotted toxins to be basically neutrals.  It appears though, that they are, however, not neutrals, but kind of occational cheating avoids for future use. This makes the diet a big change.

Instead of trying to hold on to my old eating patterns, I think I am going to just "let go" and "Superfood it" for a while!  It won't be easy!

Ok.  I am giving in to Don, and for the meantime, I will look at those lovely black dot avoids as AVOIDS!!!

Hi, fellow BTD vet, Devvie baby!

The toxins to avoid (artists previously known as "avoids") are the foods you will want to try to avoid on an ongoing, consistent basis.  The black-dot toxins to avoid, however, are ones that you will ideally want to avoid for 3 to 6 months, during the initial "detox" period (which for you will only be about 3 months, because you are a healthy individual at a healthy weight with even the added benefit of having been on the right diet for your blood type for years), but then you can look at them as occasional neutrals.  Foods that you can enjoy and that will add variety and spice to your diet, but not foods you want to focus on (which are your superfoods) or even eat freely (which are all the neutral foods that are not listed either as superfoods or toxins).

In other words, as a healthy person at her ideal weight, jumpstart your genotype diet by eating only superfoods and neutrals.  But then, 3 months down the road, if you want a black-dot "toxin to avoid", go for it.  Not often, but once in a while.  I know that personally, I shall be black-dotting myself some SUNFLOWER SEEDS (oh, happy day!), but not even in 3 to 6 months, only once I finally get to my ideal weight.  Which I have a renewed serious hope of doing with my new G2 diet, as it seems so "twist-specific"!

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It's hard to stomach!  There are many of my HB and Neutral favorites and that are now avoids or black dot avoids: SOY MILK!!!, cherries, apricots, techina, chicken, CELERY!!!, CUCUMBER!, Kohlrabi, lettuce!, apples, GRAPES!, peaches, pomegranites, raisins, strawberries, rye flour, 100% sprouted wheat!!!

These foods have been the backbone of my diet for 8 BTDing years!!! I often wake up in the morning and have for breakfast either a protein soy milk shake with frozen strawberries and peaches or else I have some yogurt with fruit sweetened apricot or cherry jam!  No longer to be! Frozen nectarines are not available!!! How will I make a shake? YOW!  I used to drink pomigranite juice ALL THE TIME! I often have salads for lunch with lots of lettuce (I realize that Romaine lettuce might be a neutral - it is a bit hard not to have those neutrals listed!!!)  celery, kohlrabi, cucumber and raisins (plus other still permitted things). Eeek! I love to make apple crumble with apples and peaches (topped with oats and spelt in a crumble mix which is still ok).  I can still have my crumble topping, but what fruit can I put in!!!  There are almost no good cookable fruits on the Superfoods list!!!  Even pears are a black dot avoid!!!

I must admit, I always fel that too much fruit was bad for me. I have terrible candida problems, and I always had to watch my fruit consumption (I don't eat sugar ever.) If I ate too much fruit, I would throw myself into a terrible state.  Perhaps now I can see why!

Exactly/bidiyuk!  Now we can see why!  "I can see clearly now the rain is gone!  I can see all obstacles in my way!  I think I can make it now the pain is gone!  Gonna be a bright, bright, bright sunshiney day!"

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl, what I am marveling about in these first few halcyon days of my G2 diet is the seeming paradox that it is at once far more flexible, relaxed and lenient than my O non diet (hello, only the strictest of all the BTDs), yet somehow, as I went on a major G2 shopping spree this weekend, it seems uncannily designed EXACTLY for me.  It is more relaxed, yet more specific at the same time!  How did Dr. D. do that?  I don't know, but I am opting to revel in it versus questioning it *lol*!

Give it a shot.  It is a big change in some ways.  But, as all the presidential candidates keep mantra-ing out at us:  change is good.  I am the candidate of change!     ...Oh, wait, you are in Israel, you aren't being bombarded with that lot.  Well, count yourself lucky in that regard and just jump joyously into the GTD, trust Dr. D. because has he ever let us down, and if something really doesn't feel right, then you can always choose for yourself and not do that particular thing, ya know?  But give it a chance, so far I'm finding it is AWESOME!  Like, at the store, the whole time I wanted to shout out loud as I put items like cottage cheese into my cart:  I knew it, I missed you, come to momma!



And all weekend I was eating superfoods virtually exclusively, and it came so easily, it wasn't even like I had to consciously work at focusing on superfoods (of course, it helped that I had stocked up my kitchen with basically nothing but, yet again, THAT part was easy and natural, too).

This feels so reminiscent, so much like, when I first discovered ER4YT.  There are just so many moments that feel like, yes, yes, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS:  this is RIGHT.

I think my new mantra de jour is:

The BTD was right for me.  The GTD is even righter.  


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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I was just going to tell Devora she has to move... !
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I'm doing Weight Watcher's again, which means I'm journaling what I eat.  I'll use the same approach as when I started BTD.  Look at a typical week.  What Superfoods am I lacking and What Toxic foods am I eating too much of?  I'll target those and let things balance out.  I don't plan to throw away foods that don't fit my gatherer plan.  I'll just use them up and not buy more or save them if not perishable and on the black dot list.


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I haven't had a chance to read the book yet with the holidays being so busy. You guys are scaring me a little. I'm always open to change but I'm not sure I am ready. Hopefully it want be a drastic change but just lots of small changes. Tweaks maybe.

I haven't been doing BTD as long as some of you but after a couple of years your mind is set a certain way. Now we have to bring out the cheat sheet again. It's like going back to school which is a good thing.
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I've been thinking that the temporary Avoids might be to give us a period to reset some of our genes, which could lead to good things happening after that.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I see it that way, rather than as doing a detox.  This makes it quite exciting and cutting edge as an application of epigenetics.
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My diet isn't much different. Still no meat.  I can live without chicken. I get sick of it anyway. As long as I can have my PB, I'm good.  
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I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !

Best regards and a wonderful New year
Maria Giovanna
Try using a dot as the decimal separator instead of comma: 32.5 .  It's the US convention.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Oh, and I'm waiting for an errata to be published before making major dietary changes.  


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I need to tell that the GTD calculator did not accept my real torso length of 32,5 inches and entered only the minimum length of 35 inches. Can this be fixed for my torso measures, also if probably I cannot become a warrior on just this data !


I think that you have to give the total height of you sitting in the chair, and then give the height of the chair, and it will calculate how long your torso is.  
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I'm in love with millet grits with ghee and a bit of agave syrup...my new morning comfort food and all superbene


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Soft cooked millet grits and ghee are great with a couple of eggs over easy on the top.  Reminds me of southern grits (corn) which I have not eaten in forever.



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What do you mean, I have to move???

Edna!

Thanks for the great response!  I am willowing in the sea of uncertainty, trying to part with my beloved habits!  I don't want to eat another persimmon, but rather: an apple!  (Gasp!) I think I will like being on the black dot diet.  But, if I don't SF it for a while, I will be on a black dot diet and not a SF diet.  

Today I made index cards for the servings of each group.  Each time I eat something I will take a card.  I am going to try to see if I can eat just according to what the cards allow me.  It's a big challenge in the fruit and veg area.  There aren't so many raw veggies that are superfoods that I can snack on!!!

I feel like my system is definitely going wacko!  I hope this is just a detox type transition to a new state of health.


Nice to see you Cheryl O Blogger! Perhps my newly designed card system would work for you in place of WW.

Another stress for me: I can't eat Turkey because it is the custon of our Hasidic sect not to eat turkey.  This leaves me with no animal products (except eggs!)  Boooooo!


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