But is mine really neck and neck? Isn't a 1/4" difference from the joint pretty significant?

I just bought a copy of it at Giant Eagles Grocery Store.  Wow, I am a gatherer for sure, and I had such fun figuring all this out just to make sure!.  So much to learn. With Giant Eagle Card Discount total was 18.71+ 1.44 tax.

Quoted from Vicki

Melissa, did you notice that rosemary is a black dot for gatherer's?  

Yes, I did.  My body knew it   I'm glad to know I wasn't reacting to something that's supposed to be good for me.

Quoted from kate4975

But is mine really neck and neck? Isn't a 1/4" difference from the joint pretty significant?

I don't believe the measurements are to be taken from the joint. Moreover, as Don and Dr. D mentioned, Androgenic types, the difference is usually quite noticeable.

As some here have decided/concluded, it they've been spending hours trying to figure out if their ring finger *really* is longer, odds are it should be considered a tie.

On strength tests, I test just as strong on Gatherer as I do on Hunter as I do on Explorer. A whopping 6 on each... however, my naturally curvy state allows me to accept my gatherer status even though yes, it seems that odd that because of my blood type, the only other thing that determines my genotype is whether or not my index fingers are longer.

I just checked, and if I measure from the knuckle on the back of my hand, my ring fingers are more than 1/4 inch longer as well.  But that's not the way they did it at the conference, or on the video, where they measured from the crease.  Wherever you choose in the crease, just use the same method on both fingers, don't spread them out too far (which pushes up the webbing), and you'll get an accurate result.  I'd get a little different result each time, within a millimeter, sometimes the ring was longer, sometimes equal, sometimes shorter, so it was too close to call, and went to the index finger. In the end it matched my measurement at the conference, within a millimeter.

My husband's ring fingers are long enough that I hardly needed a ruler to figure it out, an index card with marks on it made it obvious enough.

Quoted from kate4975

But is mine really neck and neck? Isn't a 1/4" difference from the joint pretty significant?

Using the video/book method, if you feel there is a significant difference then go with it. The worst case is that you figure out, after a few weeks or months, that you should be on the other diet.

I find it troublesome to tell people that they should ignore what seem to them to be correct and appropriate measurements by following directions.

Quoted from Lloyd

I find it troublesome to tell people that they should ignore what seem to them to be correct and appropriate measurements by following directions.

Agreed, however, I find that incessant measuring and obsessing over it suggests that they aren't sure about the results, they aren't too confident in the results, and that usually, it's because they want a certain result they're not getting, which makes me question their results...

Agreed. That still makes some assumptions which may or may not be true. Still, if someone has enough trouble that they need to ask, chances are it is close enough to be a 'tie'. On the other hand there seems to be a case or two where gatherers have turned out to really be hunters when fairly close with the ring marginally longer, we shall see in time if that is true.

Quoted from Mercedes

Agreed, however, I find that incessant measuring and obsessing over it suggests that they aren't sure about the results, they aren't too confident in the results, and that usually, it's because they want a certain result they're not getting, which makes me question their results...

Well, in my case, I was confident in my measurements until I started reading the threads about measurements that are really close should go to the index finger. I understand that I should measure from the crease and the ring finger is longer that way, I just figured I'd measure from the joint as well to confirm. I mean, if I'm measuring finger length, why wouldn't a measurements from the joint work?

I actually did expect to be a Gatherer from the initial descriptions--Nomad surprised me. I'll just go with Nomad and see how I feel.

Quoted from kate4975

I understand that I should measure from the crease and the ring finger is longer that way, I just figured I'd measure from the joint as well to confirm. I mean, if I'm measuring finger length, why wouldn't a measurements from the joint work?

Please explain what the crease is. I have the book but I am confused about this. It makes a difference for my GenoType, maybe!

I have to say that I've been reading the book several times over and already using it as a resource.  The writing style, and the organization of the book, are superb.  It reads like the experience of being on an educational ride at EPCOT... There is no effort to intimidate, alienate, or inferiorize the reader with incomprehensibility whatsoever.  It's a true teaching book.

Nobody does it better... Makes me sad for the rest.

Quoted from Novelia

Please explain what the crease is.

I've been wondering the same thing, and I doubt we're alone.  Although in my case, it's not going to change my GT

I suppose if you are that undecided about your finger length, you can just move on to the strength testing and use that as a tie breaker between the rule outs. There are lots of ways to skin a cat...

Quoted from 521

I have to say that I've been reading the book several times over and already using it as a resource.  The writing style, and the organization of the book, are superb.  It reads like the experience of being on an educational ride at EPCOT... There is no effort to intimidate, alienate, or inferiorize the reader with incomprehensibility whatsoever.  It's a true teaching book.

Nobody does it better... Makes me sad for the rest.

Thanks Ronnie,

BTW, I'm burning the base DVD that has the Genotype movies, but also has the BTD movies as a bonus. When I get a few copies done I'll send you one.

Little Known Facts Department:

The amount of material included in the GTD was roughly one-sixth of all the manuscript material. Some of this has shown up elsewhere (the IfHI Master's Study Guide, for example.) Most of it sits idly on my hard dive.

Quoted from Don

...if they (D2 and D4 fingers) are equal or +/- 2-3 mm the index finger is considered longer.

Don, thank you for this, I didn't know the exact specs of what is considered a "tie" and this really seals it that mine are going to be tied, so tie goes to the index, so...again:  all signs point to Gatherer.

I did not have time to do my measurements this weekend as I had hoped to.  Hey, I was too busy going on a massive G2 shopping spree!!!!!!!!!! I have stocked my fridge and kitchen (and drawer at work!) with so many Gatherer superfoods, and superfoods are basically all I ate all weekend, it was GREAT!  I am LOVING this thing so far.  It is like the BTD, only tweaked to make it specific for me personally, at least that is how it feels!  More on my joyous shopping spree and embarkment (is that a word?) on the GTD in another thread...

Quoted from Ron-O-Non

I have to say that I've been reading the book several times over and already using it as a resource.  The writing style, and the organization of the book, are superb.  It reads like the experience of being on an educational ride at EPCOT... There is no effort to intimidate, alienate, or inferiorize the reader with incomprehensibility whatsoever.  It's a true teaching book.

Nobody does it better... Makes me sad for the rest.

Well said, Ron-O-Non (or should I call you "Carly"?   )  It is a true teaching book.  I and my twinnie, Brig, were blown away by the superb writing, which is at once substance-dense, yet clear as crystal and easily understandable by someone who never heard of methylation before.  It is also very comprehensive, laying out the science clearly, helping you figure out where you fit into the picture, and simply yet totally laying out what your diet specs should be.

I really like the categorizations of superfoods and toxins to avoid, with diamonds indicating which are turbo-superfoods, and black dots or the lack thereof indicating which toxins to avoid should be avoided consistently, by everyone in your genotype, versus which ones can be incorporated back into the diet after an initial 3 to 6-month "detox" period, provided you are a healthy individual at a healthy weight.

It is all very clear, logical, and understandable, PLUS being written in a very engaging style that is interesting!