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On the explorer list currants are listed as diamond food but are we talking about the small dry grape that looks like a tiny raisin???
or are we speaking about the fruit/berries black/ red currants of the ribes family or both ?
In my menu I see lots of dry currants and in Europe that would always indicate the small grape thing - since fruits from the ribes family is used fresh/ conserved and not dry...

Please notice that raisins are avoids and grapes are black dot fruit so it really makes me wonder....


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I saw currants at the HFS the other day and they were definitely not typical dried grape raisins.  

Here's a brief internet description Henriette, so I'm guessing your Ribes answer is correct.

Currants are thornless upright shrubs which yield glossy red or black berries, depending on the species. In order to be classified as a currant, the bush must be in the genus Ribes.  

They sound tasty!


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I grow both the ribes version
The red ones Ribes rubrum are very pretty -like tiny red pearls - very tart
and the black ones Ribes nigrum taste very strong
Both are very high in vitamin C
and need some sweetner to be eatable.
The red currants come in a white version as well - and they are sweeter - but not so pretty.

but have never ever seen them dry that was why I got confused

However Gooseberries Ribes uva-crispa are diamond food as well and they belong to the ribes family as well.
All three are very common in Denmark.


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What a treat to be able to have them fresh!


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Yes they are some of the new EASY diamonds foods... have a harder time getting the acai  and gojiberries here or the emu and ostrich are not tham common here in he high north


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My mother used to make wonderful current pie and pancakes from the fresh, or frozen, currents we would harvest from our yard.

I will have to see if I can find a source for them.


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They grow pretty easy both in cold and in warmer climates.
I know they grow them in France but I guess NA is hotter than that.
I dont do much with my bushes - just cut / thin them when I pick the berries anyway lazy girl it is easier to pick them when you have cut some of the branches.
They freeze well and I have seen in my granny s ww2 cook book that they dry as well so next year Ill be more careful to pick them ALL and not let the bird have them.,


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
"...In my menu I see lots of dry currants and in Europe that would always indicate the small grape thing - since fruits from the ribes family is used fresh/ conserved and not dry...Please notice that raisins are avoids and grapes are black dot fruit so it really makes me wonder....

Currant {Ribes sp. - Grossulariaceae}
Grape, Sultana {Vitis sp. - Vitaceae}
Serviceberry, Sakatoon {Amelanchier spp. - Rosaceae, tribe: Maloideae}

Currants can sometimes be confused with Sultanas (especially US}& there is a "Zante Currant" which is a seedless grape - But you are right, Currants are not raisins and in the Ribes genus.
There is also a "Currant Tree" wich is actually a cousin to the Serviceberry {Amelanchier sp.}.
Currants are not too common in US - Except for not so good eating Black types also related to the Swamp Gooseberry {also ribes}.
NOTE: The English use of the word comes from a grape called the "Reisin de Corauntz" {Raisin of Corinth}...
There are also Ornamental Currants used for landscaping that can still produce good eating berries.



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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
They grow pretty easy both in cold and in warmer climates.
I know they grow them in France but I guess NA is hotter than that.

We grew them in Michigan when we lived there and I think we still have a few bushes on our farm in the Smokey Mountains of TN. Both locations have cold weather and don't get as hot as my current Alabama location.


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After reading the posts, I'm afraid to believe I can eat these.....
Today I bought organic currants on sale at the health food store--almost $5 a pound--more than double the price of organic raisins.  They did not have additives.  The ones at Trader Joe's did have additives.

They taste sweet, almost like a raisin, they are a dark brown or purple.  I'm hoping they are the correct variety because I like them and can imagine them into many uses--perhaps an oatmeal bread, a pancake or other things.


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The currents I have had are very tart.

I think I liked the current pie and pancakes so much because of the sweet and sour mix.


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Quoted from Don
My mother used to make wonderful current pie and pancakes from the fresh, or frozen, currents we would harvest from our yard.


You could harvest frozen ones this week, the way the weather's been!


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Quoted from Schluggell

Currant {Ribes sp. - Grossulariaceae}
Grape, Sultana {Vitis sp. - Vitaceae}
Serviceberry, Sakatoon {Amelanchier spp. - Rosaceae, tribe: Maloideae}

Currants can sometimes be confused with Sultanas (especially US}& there is a "Zante Currant" which is a seedless grape - But you are right, Currants are not raisins and in the Ribes genus.
There is also a "Currant Tree" wich is actually a cousin to the Serviceberry {Amelanchier sp.}.
Currants are not too common in US - Except for not so good eating Black types also related to the Swamp Gooseberry {also ribes}.
NOTE: The English use of the word comes from a grape called the "Reisin de Corauntz" {Raisin of Corinth}...
There are also Ornamental Currants used for landscaping that can still produce good eating berries.



always a pleasure to see your posts, Schluggell

I thought I saw boxes of currants next to the boxes of raisins in the grocery store...


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Quoted from Schluggell

Currant {Ribes sp. - Grossulariaceae}
Grape, Sultana {Vitis sp. - Vitaceae}
Serviceberry, Sakatoon {Amelanchier spp. - Rosaceae, tribe: Maloideae}

Currants can sometimes be confused with Sultanas (especially US}& there is a "Zante Currant" which is a seedless grape - But you are right, Currants are not raisins and in the Ribes genus.
There is also a "Currant Tree" wich is actually a cousin to the Serviceberry {Amelanchier sp.}.
Currants are not too common in US - Except for not so good eating Black types also related to the Swamp Gooseberry {also ribes}.
NOTE: The English use of the word comes from a grape called the "Reisin de Corauntz" {Raisin of Corinth}...
There are also Ornamental Currants used for landscaping that can still produce good eating berries.



The type I bought was called a Zante Currant - is this OK (still a superfood) Schluggell?
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The type I bought was called a Zante Currant - is this OK (still a superfood) Schluggell?


I answered my own question - I went to the Typebase and it listed a Zante Currant under "Currant."
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Well I see the confusion is still here
I think if your dry currant looks like a tiny raisin it is made out of small seedless grapes...
while the ones Don and I speak about is related to gooseberries, black currants  but are red when fresh and very tart and from a different family: Ribes...
They are very dark red when dried ( my mum tells me I have never seen them dry )

I think it is absolutely confusing that the typebase speaks about two different berries !!!

Since gooseberries are a ribes family like REAL currants ...
my guess is that we are NOT talking about the tiny seedless grape but about the tart red or black currant berry
and please note that grapes are black dot foods... so why should a seedless grape ( Zante currant ) be a bennies.


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The only true currants I've seen have been in black currant jam. As Schluggell said in his post, zante currants are actually small dried grapes and NOT the Ribes family currant. I've never seen fresh currants or gooseberries available over here in the States, more's the pity.

I will try a google search to see if there's a source in NA for currants. Diamond Organics might be a good place to try, but they tend to offer seasonal produce only (not a bad thing at all, but it means you only get the fruit or vegetable if it's fresh, generally speaking). And they are pricey, so be warned.


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Check out this site:

http://www.currants.com/index.php?src=gendocs&link=Growing&category=Main

They sell 5 and 50 lb bags of fresh frozen black currants for $3/lb, plus shipping and handling. Price is dependent on the crop quality and also the quantity you're buying.

There is also a good explanation of the difference between 'zante currants' and black currants, and how the name mixup came about.


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Thanks what a interesting story about the forbidden berry

It is funny but both the red and the black currant is so easy to grow here that is almost a weed.


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We had some red currants growing in Colorado...  We also grew gooseberries.  I was one of the few in our family that liked both.  

I ate some currants fresh from the bushes.  They are small, but very flavorful.

Both grow in USDA zones 3-6 or 3-7.  Plants are available for delivery from http://gurneys.com/search.asp?ss=gooseberry.  Be sure to verify that the plants can be shipped to your location.


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I answered my own question - I went to the Typebase and it listed a Zante Currant under "Currant."

Well, now, wait a minute.  What matters is which type of currant Dr. D. meant, the "real" currant (the tart berry that is like a raspberry or blackberry) or the "zante currant", which is apparently a dried grape of a different variety (lighter and larger) than your typical raisin.  If the BTD Typebase4 lists currant, zante (edited to add:  see post below/next post, as it does NOT list that), then maybe the GTD superfood is the zante currant (edited to add:  see next post)?


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  Hold on, Typebase lists "currants, red/black".  So, obviously (to me, anyway, just my opinion) Dr. D. means that the red and black REAL currants are the superfood.  Not the dried grape currant.  That would be your black-dot toxin to limit, by virtue of its grapeness.  *sigh*.  Dried apricots it is, then, for the oatmeal I plan to buy.  They are better than any old Zante currant or raisin anyway, right, Gatherers?  Am I right?!  RIGHT!  Forward, unafraid!


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They're easy to grow, in the right climates.  If they can grow in the Utah high desert, they're pretty tough, and they grow wild.

They are very sour...especially the wild ones!


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I'd imagine black currants would taste best in something like a pie or in a sweet quickbread, where their nice tart taste would offset the sweetness. Sort of like cranberries. I have had black currant juice and it's really delicious--very tart and refreshing.

Next week I'm thinking of ordering some of the fresh frozen currants from the company in upstate New York. If I do I'll report my experience here and get some good recipes to share as well.


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