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Lisalea
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What's the differerence between:
Pepper, red flakes
Chili powder
Cayenne
and
Red pepper  

Thanks folks  


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Lisalea
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What's the differerence between:
Pepper, red flakes
Chili powder
Cayenne
and
Red pepper  

Thanks folks  


Anybody know this ??
I'm thinking that it's all the same thing: RED CAYENNE PEPPER ...
except different areas give it different names ...  
Thanks  



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Quoted from Lisalea
What's the differerence between:
Pepper, red flakes
Chili powder
Cayenne
and
Red pepper  

Thanks folks  


I'm not sure I know how to answer this - maybe do a separate post.  Chili power I think is made from the dried husks of various types of chili peppers, such as New Mexico Chili or Anaheim Chili, even jalapeno.  Cayenne I think is red pepper derived from dried crushed cayenne peppers.  Pepper flakes may be seeds from dried red peppers - not sure.  

I am more confused about peppers now because Genotype book, for Gatherer, says live chili peppers are superbeneficial, but  chili powder is an avoid.  Not sure why.
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I am more confused about peppers now because Genotype book, for Gatherer, says live chili peppers are superbeneficial, but  chili powder is an avoid.  Not sure why.


That's precisely why I'm so confused ... would be nice if Dr.D'Adamo would explain the differences since he wrote the book  
I need to know if I continue with my daily red pepper on foods or NOT  

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There are two types of peppers, with and without capsicum. Bell peppers (sweet peppers) are without and in a seperate category. Chili powder often contains other ingredients that may be avoids. A search would probably yield where Dr D has talked about this issue, it was in the last 6 months (I think).
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Quoted from Lloyd
There are two types of peppers, with and without capsicum. Bell peppers (sweet peppers) are without and in a separate category.


Let me add one to that: peppercorns!  There was a discussion about this on BTD too.  I'm almost positive that "red pepper flakes" are from red peppercorns, just like black and white pepper are from black and white peppercorns, respectively.  That's my $.02.
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Peppercorns are not peppers and are not the source of red pepper flakes.


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Would be nice to get Dr. D'Adamo in on this important topic  
Cheers  


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Quoted from Lloyd
Chili powder often contains other ingredients that may be avoids.


Quoted from wikipedia

Chili powder (also spelled chile powder) is a generic name for any powdered spice mix composed chiefly of chili peppers, most commonly either red peppers or cayenne peppers, which are both of the species Capsicum annuum. But it can be made from virtually any hot pepper including Ancho, Cayenne, Chipolte, New Mexico, and Pasilla chiles. The spice mix may simply be pure powdered chilis, or it may have other additives, especially cumin, oregano, and garlic. [1][2] Some mixes may even include black pepper, cinnamon, cloves, coriander, mace, nutmeg, or turmeric.


I still have not searched for Dr D's post on the two kinds of chili and their ratings.
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I still have not searched for Dr D's post on the two kinds of chili and their ratings.

The link I provided above is to the thread where Dr. D explained the pepper typebase changes.



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I cannot access the link for some reason.  However, when I buy chili powder - I make sure it is pure whatever (pure ancho, pure New Mexico, pure Anaheim chili) with no additives.

I enjoy cooking with it and hope it can still be used in its pure form.
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I cannot access the link for some reason.

That is because it is in a board that requires advanced black belt status for access.



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I enjoy cooking with it and hope it can still be used in its pure form.


Sure. No problem there.
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Red pepper flakes are dried red peppers, ground coarsley.  Ground red pepper is the same thing, just ground finely.  Don't know if it's typically cayenne or not.  (Used to work at a restaurant and even the ingredient list on the Red Pepper Flakes or Ground Red Pepper just said, "Red peppers" and not what kind of peppers.)  Has nothing to do with peppercorns.  Peppercorns are from a different plant entirely.  Go to Miami and look around.  You'll see Brazilian peppers invading the "countryside" (ha)---they're the pink or red peppercorns you see in fancy pepper grinders.  They're not pepper plants at all.  They're like a big shrub with huge clusters of little berries, which, when dried and mashed between my fingertips, smelled a lot like black pepper.

So it's just the hot peppers that have capsicum?  Well, back in the day, my daddy and I made the mistake of planting a jalopeno plant and a couple of cayenne plants in amongst the bell peppers, as a natural bug deterrent.  Well, we ended up with some bell peppers that were a little longer and narrower than normal, and a little darker green than normal.  And when we sliced them up and ate them, we discovered, much to my mother's horror and our delight, our pepper plants had cross pollenated.  Which really didn't make much sense to me, because you don't have to pollenate a pepper plant to make it produce......but there was something funny that went on.  I just know they were tasty.  

I also know, speaking of the differences in peppers, that I have my typical nightshade allergic reaction if I ingest peppers, touch peppers, or inhale the oils cooking.  But if I eat dried pepper (cayenne, paprika, chili powder)...no reaction.


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Red pepper flakes are dried red peppers, ground coarsley.  Ground red pepper is the same thing, just ground finely.  Don't know if it's typically cayenne or not.  (Used to work at a restaurant and even the ingredient list on the Red Pepper Flakes or Ground Red Pepper just said, "Red peppers" and not what kind of peppers.)  Has nothing to do with peppercorns.  Peppercorns are from a different plant entirely.  Go to Miami and look around.  You'll see Brazilian peppers invading the "countryside" (ha)---they're the pink or red peppercorns you see in fancy pepper grinders.  They're not pepper plants at all.  They're like a big shrub with huge clusters of little berries, which, when dried and mashed between my fingertips, smelled a lot like black pepper.

So it's just the hot peppers that have capsicum?  Well, back in the day, my daddy and I made the mistake of planting a jalopeno plant and a couple of cayenne plants in amongst the bell peppers, as a natural bug deterrent.  Well, we ended up with some bell peppers that were a little longer and narrower than normal, and a little darker green than normal.  And when we sliced them up and ate them, we discovered, much to my mother's horror and our delight, our pepper plants had cross pollenated.  Which really didn't make much sense to me, because you don't have to pollenate a pepper plant to make it produce......but there was something funny that went on.  I just know they were tasty.  

I also know, speaking of the differences in peppers, that I have my typical nightshade allergic reaction if I ingest peppers, touch peppers, or inhale the oils cooking.  But if I eat dried pepper (cayenne, paprika, chili powder)...no reaction.



I absolutely love red/cayenne pepper !!!
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Bell Pepper {Capsicum annuum - Solanaceae}
Cayenne {Capsicum annuum - Solanaceae}
Red Peppercorns {Piper nigrum - Piperaceae}

Red/Black/Green Peppercorns are indeed completely unrelated to the Chili Peppers.
Additionally, a great majority of the peppers are merely hybrids of the same specie.
"Chili Powder" is a blend of various spices, and in fact in US, FDA has guidelines for the proportions of which spices can actually be used in the blend for sale.


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Gotta love the FDA.  Why don't they spend a little more time keeping the pharmacy companies from killing their customers with lethal drugs, instead of telling chili powder companies how much paprika they can put in each can.


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Quoted from Don
Peppercorns are not peppers and are not the source of red pepper flakes.


Don, you sound much more convinced about that than I do, so I'm going with you on it.  So my ground cayenne pepper, formerly an bene for Bs, is now a toxin for Nomads?

Quoted from Ribbit
Gotta love the FDA.  Why don't they spend a little more time keeping the pharmacy companies from killing their customers with lethal drugs, instead of telling chili powder companies how much paprika they can put in each can.


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So my ground cayenne pepper, formerly an bene for Bs, is now a toxin for Nomads?

I can't explain the rating for red pepper flakes when pepper, chili, jalapeno is a supperfood for Nomads in the live foods category.  



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Gotta love the FDA.  Why don't they spend a little more time keeping the pharmacy companies from killing their customers with lethal drugs, instead of telling chili powder companies how much paprika they can put in each can.


Or stopping the use of trans fats and high-fructose corn syrup and pesticides and additives and other poisons (and not just BTD poisons) that people put in their bodies EVERY DAY FOR THEIR ENTIRE LIVES as sustenance. At least not all prescriptions are taken to that extent (but they should absolutely be safer--I mean what good does it do to protect your heart with drugs when all it's going to do is bring on liver failure?).

Or to stop telling people that they should eat 7 servings of grains a day (especially whole wheat) and then have commercials for IBS treatment and dairy with "active cultures" to help keep you regular. Does no one see the connection here?

Or to regulate natural/homeopathic remedies so people can understand and trust what they're taking--you know, instead of having PBS re-air a documentary from 10 years ago saying how alternative remedies and treatments like acupuncture haven't been studied so it can't be stated that they're effective! Or that synthetic prescriptions have killed less people than natural remedies so synthetic must be better (well, duh, the synthetic is regulated so they shouldn't be killing anyone and regulating the natural might just help with that death toll also).

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I wonder if the red pepper flakes issue has anything to do with the controversy over store-bought ground black pepper vs. freshly ground pepper.  I wonder if mold grows in red pepper flakes, causing problems for some types, whereas eating a fresh red pepper wouldn't.  I don't know.


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I'm pretty sure mold is not an issue with crushed red pepper. It doesn't come from a peppercorn, but a fruit/plant.  Like Don, I also don't understand it's place on the Nomad list.


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I'm hoping that it's a MISTAKE  
Perhaps we should bring it to Dr. D'Adamo's attention  
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