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I remeasured my oldest and came out totally different so I decided there must be a factor that was changeable. YES the chair height! The chair is 1 inch lower in the back and 1 inch higher in the front. I measured a bunch of different chairs in our house and got the same result. Yes 2 were straight backed chairs!This little change would make his torso longer or shorter depending on where I measured the chair. Thus changing him from one genotype to another. I wonder if there is a way to just measure him standing without the chair?

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Good lesson. I actually used the commode with the lid down. First time I've ever used a commode with the lid down, I think.  
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You guys crack me up!

I actually have a torso that is 4 inches longer   than my legs. I can't for the life of me figure that one out. I have measured, and remeasured and always get the same result. The only things I can think of is that I have an exceptionally long neck, and I "know" how to sit straight and elongate my spine from previous dance training. I should try measuring from a 'typical Joe' slouch position and see what numbers I get...


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to get your leg measurements do you add your lower leg measurement to your upper leg measurement or subtract your torso height from your standing height?
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Subtracting torso height from standing height gives you your total leg measurement.


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I had another thread about leg/torso & still would like to know how to measure someone who shrunk several inches.
Do you use their previous height?
I know the back shrinks.
Do the legs shrink a little(knee joints, foot area). I know that we may lose a tad as our feet flatten.
Any answers to these Qs???
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(When I measure, I will consider the 3/4 inch I shrunk & see if there is a difference.)


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There may be enough of a difference that it doesn't matter. If it is in the guess zone you may need to rely on GT strength testing instead.
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
I ... would like to know how to measure someone who shrunk several inches.  Do you use their previous height?



I would assume that, yes, you should use their young-adult height.  After all, their genes haven't changed.  Even if what Dr. D calls the expression of their genes has changed (apparently for the worse) over the years, surely their ideal diet would hearken back to their youth?

Likewise, if someone has lost height, fingers, etc., due to an injury, use their original measurements, if known.  Otherwise, as Lloyd says, you may need to rely on strength testing (unless the changes aren't great enough to affect the outcome).



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I remeasured my oldest and came out totally different so I decided there must be a factor that was changeable. YES the chair height! The chair is 1 inch lower in the back and 1 inch higher in the front.


There are a whole bunch of ideas (including Lloyd's toilet-seat approach) for dealing with this very situation, over on a sticky thread ("Alternate way to determine torso and legs?").



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Somehow I forget to get someone to measure me when away from home, don't feel I should ask my DH(Hey, I know what that means now!), & lost the tape measure I had for years!!
I did manage to measure my leg segments previously. The lower was 16 1/2 inches(could it be shorter with the curving of my leg considered?) & the upper was 15. If you add 2 inches for the knee area & 2 for the ankle to the sole of the foot, that adds up to 35 1/2 inches. My tallest height was a little short of 64 inches. Ta Da! So, even if I subtract a little for overlap, my legs should be longer!
Is there anything I'm missing? Maybe the seated measurement has some overlap. It doesn't look like it.
So, I will consider myself a hunter. I even ate some chick peas this morning, the first time in ages. What a shame that such a nice food was denied me for so long! I still hope to keep chocolate & brown rice, too & get back to occasional cabbage.
How about this: My finger lengths differ by 1 mm on one hand & almost 2 on the other. So, I am a gentle hunter.
Any comments before I change my avatar info??????
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
Somehow I forget to get someone to measure me when away from home, don't feel I should ask my DH(Hey, I know what that means now!), & lost the tape measure I had for years!!
I did manage to measure my leg segments previously. The lower was 16 1/2 inches(could it be shorter with the curving of my leg considered?) & the upper was 15. If you add 2 inches for the knee area & 2 for the ankle to the sole of the foot, that adds up to 35 1/2 inches. My tallest height was a little short of 64 inches. Ta Da! So, even if I subtract a little for overlap, my legs should be longer!
Is there anything I'm missing? Maybe the seated measurement has some overlap. It doesn't look like it.
So, I will consider myself a hunter. I even ate some chick peas this morning, the first time in ages. What a shame that such a nice food was denied me for so long! I still hope to keep chocolate & brown rice, too & get back to occasional cabbage.
How about this: My finger lengths differ by 1 mm on one hand & almost 2 on the other. So, I am a gentle hunter.
Any comments before I change my avatar info??????
S S & L,
Mrs "T"    O+


Mrs "T", I suggest you make the effort to measure yourself according to the GTD book; less chances for errors. I don't have the book in front of me, but there are numerous threads that have step by step instructions. I'd hate to see you type yourself incorrectly.


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the leg measurements sounded fishy to me......
there is a bony nob on the outside of the knee from which you measure down to the outer ankle bone...no kneecap....no foot...etc. then the upper begins at the top of the knee cap...You may stil be a hunter though...its all about the finger lengths...
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Hmm, maybe someone can clarify.

When Dr. Colicci helped me and I reviewed the posts online, my results reflected that a few inches for the kneecap + the ankle below the ankle bone are not included in the upper and lower leg measurments. In other words, the lower and upper leg added together should not be the same as the total for your entire leg (measuring to the floor). They should be less by a few inches.

It's the fibula bone that is measured for the lower leg. At first I was starting higher up, closer to my knee cap because I felt a bone sticking out there.  

Dr. Colicci wrote:


'Feel for the groove/indentation made by the knee joint on the lateral side of the leg.  Place the measuring tape just below the joint line and measure to the lateral malleolus (the ankle bone bump).'

She clarified with me that it's the top of the ankle bone bump, not the middle or bottom of the ankle bone bump. By lateral side of the leg, the outside, not the side that faces your other leg.
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I did that corrrectly, but the torso measurements are supposed to be subtracted from the standing height, so I thought.
I really need another person to help me.  My older son, the 'scientist/theologian' should be the most accurate, careful person to do it.  However, I don't see him that often & when I seen him, it's for a short time & he has to go. He's studying for some big comprehensive tests as he works on his PhD.
I wish I could have measured my late father. He definitely had long legs & didn't do well on carbs. I bet he was a hunter.
His favorite food seemed to be baked fish, which he had several times a week. He also liked beef, but didn't have it as often. He loved greens, but not raw salads as much.
Unfortunately, his favorite fruit was oranges....
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guys, i am so so curious about this! why does dr. d recommend that we measure our torso/leg measurements sitting down and then from the grond to our head? why not have us measure when we are standing or sitting up to see if our legs our longer than half our height?

when i measure myself the sitting method, my torso is definately longer (could that be from extra weight around my hip buttocks, and upper legs?) and when i just stand straight or lay down and use a tape measure, my legs are longer than half my body (but that is including my feet too, are we supposed to include our feet in total leg length or just ankle to hip?)

why the sitting method?
thanks!
kim

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I think what we are actually measuring in leg length is the length of the femur bone vs. the length of the tibia. (oops, nope, make that fibula instead of tibia... been a long time since anatomy class... )

For torso length it sounds like from the bottom of the ischium (or perhaps tailbone) through the top of the head is what is calculated, and maybe that is the reason for the sitting down measurement... easier to measure that way. Just an educated guess.

I will admit though that I have always been puzzled why the head is included in the torso measurement... but so be it...


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i am so confused about why if i measure my torso and leg length sitting it is so many inches different than if i just measure my torso and legs when i am standing or laying down. but i do trust that there must be a reason dr. d chose for us to measure sitting down as opposed to standing up or laying down, i just am curious as to why.
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Quoted from 3811
i am so confused about why if i measure my torso and leg length sitting it is so many inches different than if i just measure my torso and legs when i am standing or laying down. but i do trust that there must be a reason dr. d chose for us to measure sitting down as opposed to standing up or laying down, i just am curious as to why.


Because that makes it easier to get the correct measure. The lower leg might be measured standing. The upper would be quite difficult to get the right points.
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if i stand and measure my legs, they are over half my height but then when i sit, my torso is also over half my height!!!  

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if i stand and measure my legs, they are over half my height but then when i sit, my torso is also over half my height!!!  


Then if you stand and sit at the same time, you would be a little bit taller!    

The way the measurements are taken conforms to standards that have been in use for a long time. In order for the measurments to be valid, they have to conform to a consistent method.

I would suggest using the results you get from following the instructions in the book or the videos. There are also a couple other threads where people comisirate over difficulty measuring, look through this board to find them. They could be quite useful.
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thanks lloyd! i figured the way the book says to measure must be the best as i am sure dr. d had his reasons for having us sit to measure out torso as opposed to having us stand or lay down!
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its so funny, i have almost equal stregth testing for a nomad and teacher and if i measure myself sitting down for the torso/leg ratio, its says nomad (my husband mismeasured).

for teacher characteristics:
ectomorph
grandpa, grandma, and mother had cancer
jaw is inbetween square and oval but techinically closer to square
chronic ear infections and tonsilitis as child
ocd and detail orientated
short to medium height
limbs very flexable
fingers asymetrical


for nomads characteristics:
loops in fingerprints (could not see fingers so well b/c of white lines but lopps in toe prints)
glutten causes inflammation
have small teeth
have shoveled front teeth
grandma had ahlzheimers and dad and myself have had depression
ideal waist to hip ratio
most importantly of all-have a very strong mind/body connection, all my physical ailments are from an emotional source (it is this last issue that makes me think i am a nomad)
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So are you going to start with the Nomad?
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hey lloyd!
i am still in love with the BTD and was thinking about doing the BTD but avoiding grains. I have alot of problems with a dry mouth, severely dry eyes (i have cornea inflammation from it). i think my thyroid is connected to this. i have heard that avoiding grains can cure this.

Or I wanted to do the nomad but avoid grains. I don't think I will ever feel confident about my genotype until I go to the Dadamo clinic. So I figure, shouldn't I do the BTD since I know it is the correct one for me and I can't get that wrong?
thanks!
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Sounds like a working plan.  

You could stay on BTD and limit intake of any Nomad toxins at the same time and/or increase use of Nomad diamonds that are good for AB. If you want to go that far. Just doing the AB for awhile is fine.
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or follow one of the health series books, best suited for your issues., a great way to fine tune while you decide


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