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accidental_chef
Thursday, January 3, 2008, 3:58am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Interesting, my Gatherer meal plan shows pumpkin seeds for a morning snack and celery and almond butter for the afternoon snack.

Breakfast is Puffed Millet with Rice Bran, Rice Milk, Dried Apricots, and Walnuts.


It's a huge departure from the protein+veggies breakfast, isnt it? How does it feel...?


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Even the Hunter plans have vegetarian meals and light breakfasts. I'm going to be using my license to be an Individual for awhile, at least until I'm adapted to other changes and see what's what.  
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Breakfast is Puffed Millet with Rice Bran, Rice Milk, Dried Apricots, and Walnuts.


Oh please, please, please, I want to be a Gatherer. I am tired of eating dinner at every meal.    I want some breakfast food too!!!     STILL no book. 2 days late now. If it's not here tomorrow, I'll be making some phone calls. Well maybe Friday  , tomorrow I'm tied up.



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So far, I'm having a hard time with the light breakfasts.  I'm trying but I have to eat 2 hours later and then again 2 hours later.  I'm much better with a nice big breakfast that holds me steady.

Today I did the light breakfast and man low blood sugar and hunger 2 hours later about put me down.  
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It's a huge departure from the protein+veggies breakfast, isnt it? How does it feel...?

I don't plan on following the GTD site meal plan. I never followed any of the BTD meal plans either.

I have been eating lamb and cooked greens for breakfast for about 2 years. Before that it was beef or bison for a couple of years. Lamb is a Gatherer diamond superfood (S) so I will probably continue with that most days. When I run out of lamb I might have eggs for a day.

I will try to switch to eating more turnip greens (S) instead of my usual collard greens (N), although I still plan to eat plenty of collard greens.


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I've made up some gatherer breakfasts lately...may not be bennie, but they work for me. one third cup of rolled oats cooked up in water with currants and cinnamon, flaxseed and agave and bit of butter and salt.....that is so satisfying, then I have a turkey sausage  or a scrambled egg. Maybe I don't need the protein like I think I do....(you know the food combining thing)
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Well tell that to the folks making up the daily food lists on the  GTD site.  Todays morning breakfast for Gatherers was Cottage cheese with Pineapple and Papaya and the morning snack is Ricotta Cheese with Pineapple.

I don't think I'm ever going to heal because there is not a huge possibility I can give up fruit.  


From personal experience w/BTD, one can be amazed at what one can give up readily after thinking that impossible.


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I agree, 1200 calories should not be an option to gatherers, it would shut my metabolism right down.

That would be cool if it gave us all the same menus at the same time, we could compare notes and substitutions   It probably randomizes it.  I'm surprised at how loaded with carbs the breakfasts are, of course I've always put off the carbs until later in the day.


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With the fruit and veg. sources this seems to be a low carb diet to me.I realize foods like millet and oats up the carb load but generally you subtract the fiber from the carbs and it comes out more moderate than you might think.My carbs have been quite low the past few days and my body hasn't noticed.
Being a mesomorph,and a power lifter I feel the need for more protein,so I add a scoop of egg white protein powder to each feeding...I am,however,missing my whey protein powder like a lost lover.
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I cannot even find turnip greens in my store and the collard greens are not organic!  So I'm still downing the Swiss Chard and enjoying it.

But I can find spinich which I like best raw or added to soups to disguise the flavor.  Being a super taster is not a good thing when it comes to greens!!!
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I cannot even find turnip greens in my store and the collard greens are not organic!  So I'm still downing the Swiss Chard and enjoying it.

But I can find spinich which I like best raw or added to soups to disguise the flavor.  Being a super taster is not a good thing when it comes to greens!!!

Unfortunately, I can only find organic bundles of spinach every once in a while at the HFS and I don't buy non-organic spinach since it is 11th on EWG's pesticides food list.

I may have to start buying the more expensive washed and bagged organic spinach.



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I may have to start buying the more expensive washed and bagged organic spinach.



Yes I've had to buy that for along time now.  It's very pricey.  But I justify it because I used to spend anywhere from $10 to $15 on junk food when I would binge.  
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I don't think the glycation issue is really about not eating protein and high glycemic carbs at the same time.

Your body is already full of protein molecules all over the place that can be damage by glycation.

What you want to avoid is eating the high glycemic foods at any time, particularly for the 1st 3-6 months on the GTD, so they can't damage the proteins in your body.


Thanks for this note.  It is taking me some time to get a grasp of what glycation means.  Does this mean that the superfoods listed under fruits (for gatherer) don't cause an adverse reaction to whatever body chemistry we are trying to achieve?  For example, it would be OK to eat 1/2 a grapefruit with an egg because the grapefruit does not cause the adverse reaction?  Also, it would be OK to combine the superfood vegetables with a superfood meat - such as a mushroom, snow pea, onion stir fry with turkey and basamanti rice on the side?  The only dumb question is the one not asked.

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Good question, and I don't know the answer to it, but I hope somebody does.

I can see avoiding major fructose sources, like fruit juice or agave nectar, when you're having protein (i.e. meat).  Beyond that, I don't know, but that part alone will take some time for me to get used to.  Other carbs, besides fructose-containing ones, may be ok... I hope.


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fruit pectin is the one of choice.....does anyone know a source?


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I am sure the stir fry vegiies and meat over rice is fine...
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missing my whey protein powder like a lost lover

do the GT testing...you might be very surprised to find the missing link, John!


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today s menu was ostrich burgers, yams and zucchini.....
i believe it s fine to combine.


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fruit pectin is the one of choice.....does anyone know a source?


In the states, pectin can be bought with other canning supplies sold in most large groceries. Haven't looked in a few years, assume this to still be true.
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So far, I'm having a hard time with the light breakfasts....Today I did the light breakfast and man low blood sugar and hunger 2 hours later about put me down.


just another case of individuality.    I would love it if I came out being able to eat light at breakfast, but I'm doubting it. I think I'm going to be more like you, need the protein.



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After getting my wife to help with measuring and getting it right this time,it seems I am a Nomad.That seems more organic since I strength test 24 as a Nomad,and 6 as a gatherer.It was very nice to dine with the gatherers,but it is time to wander the Stepps...peace,cousins
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My Dad has a lot of brown age spots/marks on his skin, some raised, some not.  I am starting to get them also.  Not raised like him, but lots of what looks sort of like large freckles on the arms, etc.
I think they are this glycation showing up on my skin.  Is carnosine the supplement to help that?  Does anyone else have this?
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I have several "angel kisses" that Dr. D mentioned were common with Warriors.  I've had them since childhood.  My A son has a couple too, and he's 2 1/2.


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Does anyone know any more about these brown spots on ones skin?
I have so many of them.
Ribbit you say Dr. D calls them "angel kisses".
So I am hoping someone can share more about these brwon spots and if they are indeed caused by glycation.
Paulam, carnosine is supposed to help glycation as well as Querctin and yerba mate says Dr. D in the Gatherer protocol in the GTD book.
Also we are not to eat any carbohydrates or fruits with a protein meal as this causes glycation.
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