I am interested in using BTD compliant fruit juice as a base for some of my protein shakes.Would this combination create a glycation problem once consumed?

If you GenoTyped as a Gatherer, perhaps.

what the heck is a glycation problem???? I am a gatherer...so what 's the deal? I put fruit juice in my protein shakes....but tell me why not and I won't.

Read the book, pages 26-27.

wow....thanks, Dr. D.!
Wow, just read it.....so it would seem that we should keep proteins separate from fruits? maybe. Even better, don't caraamelize things (which really is yummy...)

I still can't figure out my genotype.The calculator rates me as a Gatherer because I am a B+,non-sec,legs longer than torso,upper leg longer than lower,and index fingers longer than ring fingers.....But,until the past 3-4 years,I have been an ecto-mesomorph and my fingers just touch around my wrists(I am 63 yrs old and am starting to put on excess fat).

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I still can't figure out my genotype.The calculator rates me as a Gatherer because I am a B+,non-sec,legs longer than torso,upper leg longer than lower,and index fingers longer than ring fingers.....But,until the past 3-4 years,I have been an ecto-mesomorph and my fingers just touch around my wrists(I am 63 yrs old and am starting to put on excess fat).

Hi John,

Sounds like a Gatherer to me.  Don't get hung up on what you think a particular genotype must look like.  Each genotype has people of all shapes and sizes...

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wow....thanks, Dr. D.!
Wow, just read it.....so it would seem that we should keep proteins separate from fruits? maybe. Even better, don't caraamelize things (which really is yummy...)

Oh come on now.. help!  I like to have a piece of fruit after my meals and now is that off limits since I have protein at virtually every meal?  Please say it isn't so!??????

well, funkymuse, it sounds like it is so, since gatherers don't clear glycation well....back in the day (and still now) a lot of folks did food combining, in which they didn't eat carb with protein, now that was hard. Eating fruit an hour or so away from food is probably good....

well darn.  

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Hi John,

Sounds like a Gatherer to me.  Don't get hung up on what you think a particular genotype must look like.  Each genotype has people of all shapes and sizes...

Yup.

BTW, the low fruit is for the first stage, since a high fructose diet increases glycation. After the first phase this eases somewhat.

Thanks for the help.I will give the Gatherer diet a try.Guess I will have to find a good home for my formally super beneficial BTD kefir and containers of whey protein powder.

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Yup.

BTW, the low fruit is for the first stage, since a high fructose diet increases glycation. After the first phase this eases somewhat.

Thanks Dr. D.  Last night I ate my beef stew and then and hour or so later, had my basmati rice with a pear before bed.  So it's doable but weird!    All changes are weird at first.

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Thanks for the help.I will give the Gatherer diet a try.Guess I will have to find a good home for my formally super beneficial BTD kefir and containers of whey protein powder.

Hey why can't you have Whey Protein Powder?  I see it on the list a a Superbeneficial for Gatherers?

See page 209.It is one of the foodstuff that can be reintroduced for ocassional use after a period of time.

I don't think the glycation issue is really about not eating protein and high glycemic carbs at the same time.

Your body is already full of protein molecules all over the place that can be damage by glycation.

What you want to avoid is eating the high glycemic foods at any time, particularly for the 1st 3-6 months on the GTD, so they can't damage the proteins in your body.

thank you so much for that clarification, Don.

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I don't think the glycation issue is really about not eating protein and high glycemic carbs at the same time.

Your body is already full of protein molecules all over the place that can be damage by glycation.

What you want to avoid is eating the high glycemic foods at any time, particularly for the 1st 3-6 months on the GTD, so they can't damage the proteins in your body.

Well tell that to the folks making up the daily food lists on the  GTD site.  Todays morning breakfast for Gatherers was Cottage cheese with Pineapple and Papaya and the morning snack is Ricotta Cheese with Pineapple.

I don't think I'm ever going to heal because there is not a huge possibility I can give up fruit.  

Celery Sticks with Almond Butter is the snack!

Sorry Lola... my diet list says Pineapple with Ricotta Cheese.

there's nothing anywhere for today with celery and almond butter.

Interesting, my Gatherer meal plan shows pumpkin seeds for a morning snack and celery and almond butter for the afternoon snack.

Breakfast is Puffed Millet with Rice Bran, Rice Milk, Dried Apricots, and Walnuts.

Maybe the menus are set up for starting with Day one on the day you joined... so Don you joined before me, so you are ahead of me on the menus... understand?  I'm still back at the day one menu today since I just joined last night.

I love those menus!! Now, we don't get many fruits but Pineapple is so divine!

That is a possibility.

individuality at its best!!
it is according to your personal data, I guess.

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individuality at its best!!
it is according to your personal data, I guess.

I BET it's based on how many calories you chose to eat!

I chose the bigger amount because the lower amount was ABSURD!  Whoever is putting those together is definitely from the old school of dieting starvation!  1200 calories at the low end is not healthy physically and certainly NOT mentally in the long run.

Just an opinion from FAR TOO MANY YEARS of useless low calorie dieting.