Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register


Main Forum Page  ♦   Latest Posts  ♦   Member Center  ♦   Search  ♦   Archives   ♦   Help   ♦   Log In/Out   ♦   Admins
Forum Login
Login Name: Create a new account
Password:     Forgot password

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  glycation
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 10 Guests

glycation  This thread currently has 1,837 views. Print Print Thread
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
JohnW
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Spring: Growth, Peace.
Posts: 41
I am interested in using BTD compliant fruit juice as a base for some of my protein shakes.Would this combination create a glycation problem once consumed?
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message
Dr. D
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Peter D'Adamo
Kwan Jhang Nim
Posts: 4,149
Gender: Male
Location: Connecticut
Age: 58
If you GenoTyped as a Gatherer, perhaps.


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 1 - 48
jayneeo
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,237
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
what the heck is a glycation problem???? I am a gatherer...so what 's the deal? I put fruit juice in my protein shakes....but tell me why not and I won't.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 2 - 48
Dr. D
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 7:49pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Peter D'Adamo
Kwan Jhang Nim
Posts: 4,149
Gender: Male
Location: Connecticut
Age: 58
Read the book, pages 26-27.


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 3 - 48
jayneeo
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,237
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
wow....thanks, Dr. D.!
Wow, just read it.....so it would seem that we should keep proteins separate from fruits? maybe. Even better, don't caraamelize things (which really is yummy...)
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 4 - 48
JohnW
Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:06am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Spring: Growth, Peace.
Posts: 41
I still can't figure out my genotype.The calculator rates me as a Gatherer because I am a B+,non-sec,legs longer than torso,upper leg longer than lower,and index fingers longer than ring fingers.....But,until the past 3-4 years,I have been an ecto-mesomorph and my fingers just touch around my wrists(I am 63 yrs old and am starting to put on excess fat).
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 5 - 48
Dr. Natalie Colicci
Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:12am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from JohnW
I still can't figure out my genotype.The calculator rates me as a Gatherer because I am a B+,non-sec,legs longer than torso,upper leg longer than lower,and index fingers longer than ring fingers.....But,until the past 3-4 years,I have been an ecto-mesomorph and my fingers just touch around my wrists(I am 63 yrs old and am starting to put on excess fat).


Hi John,

Sounds like a Gatherer to me.  Don't get hung up on what you think a particular genotype must look like.  Each genotype has people of all shapes and sizes...
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 6 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:15am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from jayneeo
wow....thanks, Dr. D.!
Wow, just read it.....so it would seem that we should keep proteins separate from fruits? maybe. Even better, don't caraamelize things (which really is yummy...)


Oh come on now.. help!  I like to have a piece of fruit after my meals and now is that off limits since I have protein at virtually every meal?  Please say it isn't so!??????
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 7 - 48
jayneeo
Monday, December 31, 2007, 1:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,237
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
well, funkymuse, it sounds like it is so, since gatherers don't clear glycation well....back in the day (and still now) a lot of folks did food combining, in which they didn't eat carb with protein, now that was hard. Eating fruit an hour or so away from food is probably good....
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 8 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 2:37am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
well darn.  
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 9 - 48
Dr. D
Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:54am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Peter D'Adamo
Kwan Jhang Nim
Posts: 4,149
Gender: Male
Location: Connecticut
Age: 58
Quoted from 12


Hi John,

Sounds like a Gatherer to me.  Don't get hung up on what you think a particular genotype must look like.  Each genotype has people of all shapes and sizes...


Yup.

BTW, the low fruit is for the first stage, since a high fructose diet increases glycation. After the first phase this eases somewhat.


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
Logged
Site Site Private Message Private message Reply: 10 - 48
JohnW
Monday, December 31, 2007, 12:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Spring: Growth, Peace.
Posts: 41
Thanks for the help.I will give the Gatherer diet a try.Guess I will have to find a good home for my formally super beneficial BTD kefir and containers of whey protein powder.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 11 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 3:01pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Dr. D


Yup.

BTW, the low fruit is for the first stage, since a high fructose diet increases glycation. After the first phase this eases somewhat.


Thanks Dr. D.  Last night I ate my beef stew and then and hour or so later, had my basmati rice with a pear before bed.  So it's doable but weird!    All changes are weird at first.


Quoted from JohnW
Thanks for the help.I will give the Gatherer diet a try.Guess I will have to find a good home for my formally super beneficial BTD kefir and containers of whey protein powder.


Hey why can't you have Whey Protein Powder?  I see it on the list a a Superbeneficial for Gatherers?
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 12 - 48
JohnW
Monday, December 31, 2007, 4:08pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Spring: Growth, Peace.
Posts: 41
See page 209.It is one of the foodstuff that can be reintroduced for ocassional use after a period of time.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 13 - 48
Don
Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:14pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MN
Sam Dan
Posts: 7,189
Gender: Male
Location: North Alabama
Age: 58
I don't think the glycation issue is really about not eating protein and high glycemic carbs at the same time.

Your body is already full of protein molecules all over the place that can be damage by glycation.

What you want to avoid is eating the high glycemic foods at any time, particularly for the 1st 3-6 months on the GTD, so they can't damage the proteins in your body.


FIFHI; ISTP;
Started BTD 3/2002, with 2 O- secretor teenage sons
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 14 - 48
jayneeo
Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,237
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
thank you so much for that clarification, Don.
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 15 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:13pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Don
I don't think the glycation issue is really about not eating protein and high glycemic carbs at the same time.

Your body is already full of protein molecules all over the place that can be damage by glycation.

What you want to avoid is eating the high glycemic foods at any time, particularly for the 1st 3-6 months on the GTD, so they can't damage the proteins in your body.


Well tell that to the folks making up the daily food lists on the  GTD site.  Todays morning breakfast for Gatherers was Cottage cheese with Pineapple and Papaya and the morning snack is Ricotta Cheese with Pineapple.

I don't think I'm ever going to heal because there is not a huge possibility I can give up fruit.  
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 16 - 48
Lola
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,110
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
Celery Sticks with Almond Butter is the snack!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 17 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:18pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Sorry Lola... my diet list says Pineapple with Ricotta Cheese.

there's nothing anywhere for today with celery and almond butter.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 18 - 48
Don
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MN
Sam Dan
Posts: 7,189
Gender: Male
Location: North Alabama
Age: 58
Interesting, my Gatherer meal plan shows pumpkin seeds for a morning snack and celery and almond butter for the afternoon snack.

Breakfast is Puffed Millet with Rice Bran, Rice Milk, Dried Apricots, and Walnuts.


FIFHI; ISTP;
Started BTD 3/2002, with 2 O- secretor teenage sons
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 19 - 48
funkymuse
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Maybe the menus are set up for starting with Day one on the day you joined... so Don you joined before me, so you are ahead of me on the menus... understand?  I'm still back at the day one menu today since I just joined last night.
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 20 - 48
jayneeo
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh- Gatherer
Kyosha Nim
Posts: 6,237
Gender: Female
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 67
I love those menus!! Now, we don't get many fruits but Pineapple is so divine!
Logged Offline
Private Message Private message Reply: 21 - 48
Don
Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:44pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

Rh-, MN
Sam Dan
Posts: 7,189
Gender: Male
Location: North Alabama
Age: 58
That is a possibility.


FIFHI; ISTP;
Started BTD 3/2002, with 2 O- secretor teenage sons
Logged Offline
Site Site Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 22 - 48
Lola
Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:06pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

GT1; L (a-b-); (se); PROP-T; NN
Sa Bon Nim
Admin & Columnist
Posts: 51,110
Gender: Female
Location: ''eternal spring'' Cuernavaca - Mex.
Age: 57
individuality at its best!!
it is according to your personal data, I guess.


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
Logged
Private Message Private message YIM YIM Reply: 23 - 48
funkymuse
Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 2:10am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
Guest User
Quoted from Lola
individuality at its best!!
it is according to your personal data, I guess.


I BET it's based on how many calories you chose to eat!

I chose the bigger amount because the lower amount was ABSURD!  Whoever is putting those together is definitely from the old school of dieting starvation!  1200 calories at the low end is not healthy physically and certainly NOT mentally in the long run.

Just an opinion from FAR TOO MANY YEARS of useless low calorie dieting.    
Logged
E-mail E-mail Reply: 24 - 48
2 Pages 1 2 » All Recommend Thread
Print Print Thread

BTD Forums    Diet and Nutrition    The GenoType Diet  ›  glycation

Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread