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dawgmama
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 3:50pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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During our GTD measuring(which was fun, kind of like a science lab/CSI project) we discovered that my son(an O Hunter) and I(an A Teacher) both have a lot of white lines through our fingerprints. Both my son and I are quite compliant, although we did cheat a bit over Christmas, and we have both been on strong antibiotics recently. My daughter(an O Explorer),is somewhat compliant due to being in college, and pressed for time etc., hardly had any white lines.

My son's lines were horizontal, and mine were both vertical and horizontal, sort of tic-tac-toe like. I thought I might have a lot of lines because my hands are quite rough because I am outside a lot and in and out of water. I don't use a lot of lotion because it feels "icky".

According to the GTD book, white lines are a sign of a digestive problem or of gluten intolerance. Both of those could apply to us being that I am a nonnie and he is an O. Neither of us eat much wheat(except for recently in those Christmas cookies ) so I am guessing the antibiotics messed up our guts.

So... finally my question , I am still on antibiotics(for my lousey abcessed tooth), so when should I eat my yogurt or take my probiotics? Before my antibiotics, after?


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Don
Sunday, December 30, 2007, 8:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Best to take the probiotics as far awar from the antibiotics as possible. In other words, take the probiotics in between the antibiotic times.

Continue with the probiotics for awhile after you finish the antibiotics.


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Thanks so much Don!


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Quoted from Don
... take the probiotics in between the antibiotic times..


As close to half way between if possible. If anti-b's are every 8 hours, take pro-b's at the 4 hour mark. I've read they should be taken for a long time after a round of anti-b's. Don't know what the truth on that is tho.  



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Thanks IB, I think I will take them for a long time, judging by all  the white lines in my fingerprints.

I know you are anxiously awaiting the GTD book, you will enjoy it, it is worth the wait!


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I noticed a lot of white lines in my finger prints too but now I'm over 60 and the book says "...the number of white lines increases with age as gut integrity continues to deteriorate."  But then too I've had some of those white flour Christmas Cookies.   I had a friend who baked with Amaranth flour but she moved away this past year, I miss her.


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Amaranth flour makes great cookies, I use that with sweet rice flour and get almost identical results to wheat flour in most cookie recipes.

I can't have the sweet rice flour as a gatherer, for a few months, I'll try GF/WF oat flour instead.  By Christmas, I should be able to start using the sweet rice flour again (if I don't prefer the oat).

The GTD should help your white lines, in any case.


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You may want to try some Myrrh essential (1 drop diluted in olive oil) and applie it to the gums around your absessed tooth, when you feel the myrrh workin, spit the saliva out, don't swallow.  Don't worry if you do swallow a small amount there is no risk.
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Thanks medavida, for the Myrrh advice. My tooth seems to have calmed down, for the moment , but I will get some to have on hand. I have lousey, nonnie teeth.

I use a product called MiraCell on burns, and scars and as a moisturizer, it contains Myrrh, and I just love it.


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Speaking of probiotics, can anyone speak to whether they would be helpful for my husband's looooooonnng-lasting fungal/yeast infection over most of his torso and upper legs? He not so compliant on the diet and, while I work on him there, I want to find something that will help clear up that problem. Only thing a doctor has ever recommended is steroid cream which we are NOT going to do.


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Kate4975 - my hubbie has a loooooooooong-lasting athlete's foot infection despite nearly a year of being on the BTD but like yours, not too compliant. We're also facing the skin "specialists'" threat of sending in the heavy artillery. So I know where you folks are coming from, and I sympathise. Help anyone?


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Clean up the diet!


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One of the "moms" on this site(I'm sorry, I don't remember her name), said coconut oil cleared up her son's raging athletes foot. It soaks in very nicely, and probably wouldn't do any harm, and may do a lot of good.


"Be as gentle as  possible, and as firm as necessary".   Tom Dorrance-the 'father' of natural horsemanship

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Quoted from Don
Clean up the diet!


Well, Don, if YOU can convince him, I would be eternally grateful! Unfortunately, I can't watch him 24 hours a day.  



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Well, Don, if YOU can convince him, I would be eternally grateful! Unfortunately, I can't watch him 24 hours a day.  

Haha! Mine thinks he's being compliant, that's the trouble. He's from the "a little bit now and then won't do any harm" school of thinking. The trouble is, his definition of "little" (KFC or Burger King every Friday) is different from mine (soy sauce as an ingredient in flavouring once in a blue moon) Aw gotta love 'em!

ETA: coconut oil? I hadn't thought of that one. Just rub it in, right? Once a day? Twice?


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Clean up the diet!


Agreed.  I have had a bit of athlete's foot on my left foot for years, isolated to my little toe and next toe to it.  It wasn't a big problem, just annoying.  I tried various sprays and creams (perhaps not as consistently as needed), but it never cleared up.  However, I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was gone except for the bit in the toenails.  I have to guess that it's simply because of the BTD/GTD!
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Agreed.  I have had a bit of athlete's foot on my left foot for years, isolated to my little toe and next toe to it.  It wasn't a big problem, just annoying.  I tried various sprays and creams (perhaps not as consistently as needed), but it never cleared up.  However, I noticed a couple weeks ago that it was gone except for the bit in the toenails.  I have to guess that it's simply because of the BTD/GTD!


I think he had an epiphany last night! He actually said that he thinks following the diet would help the infection ! Of course, I think the fact that I have to wait for his secretor status before I know his GTD emboldened him because he thinks he doesn't have to follow the A diet anymore. He thinks he can eat the way he wants until I know his GTD, which he's probably sure will be Hunter or Nomad (but I'd settle for Explorer ). Anyway, I told him it would probably help his prostatitis too but he poo-pooed that idea. Don't know why he's already limiting in his mind the potential this diet holds. I'm hoping for a fairly quick, tangible result to help him commit. Still need that secretor status though!


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Clean up the diet!


I have had ungoing problems with athletes foot. Adhering to the A nonsecretor diet seemed to have brought it under control. However, now that I have moved to the explorer diet the problems with athletes foot have returned.



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Hi,
My son is the one that used the coconut oil to clear up his athletes foot. All his toes had huge flaps of ragged skin between them. Nothing the doctors gave him worked. They even had us use Original Listerine (guarenteed to work they said).
His toes no longer have the ragged skin but they are scarred and pink. They are fading out but no signs of any recurring infection. We started seeing healing within the week of using the coconut oil 2 times a day rubber between the toes and across the nails.
We used the "Garden of Life" Extra Virgin Coconut oil. 100% Organic No GMO's Vegetarian


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Thank you Drgnwng1 - I've just read out your reply to hubbie and we're going to see what we can find in the HFS tomorrow.



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you may want to try diluting a little bit of lavender or tea tree oil in the coconut oil. Both tend to be anti-bacterial/fungal, and may be an added kick to the coconut oil.
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Good Morning, I have so many lines on my fingertips it looks like I've been a slasher victim. Does this mean no wheat for me? What suppliments do I need to take? I read that it probably takes up to two years to fix. Even though I have fat all over I have very little on my hands. Please help!...Aani


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Good Morning, I have so many lines on my fingertips it looks like I've been a slasher victim. Does this mean no wheat for me? What suppliments do I need to take? I read that it probably takes up to two years to fix. Even though I have fat all over I have very little on my hands. Please help!...Aani


Yes "No Wheat for you!" ( I hope someone remembers the Seinfield episode).

I have them too so don't feel to bad about it.
You will feel good without the gluten in your diet.

Intrinsia by NAP is helpful. Add some ghee to your diet as well.
The small intestines will heal, it is an amazing organ. It may take some time but be confident that your efforts will not be in vain.

I am a Nurse and sometimes work in the Endoscopy unit, lots of celiacs come through the door. I now can spot them very quickly.
They have no fingerprint  (or they are very low ) and white lines  are visible with the naked eye.
I tell them, you must have celiac disease.. they all look surprised.
I guess I can also tell how compliant they are as well.








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Thanks, Dottie. Now when I check out the veggie hot dogs and burgers and such they list gluten as an ingredient. Is this the same thing and I need to avoid this as well? I would assume so. Soy cheese list casein as an ingredient. As far as I know this is bad as well? So much to absorb....Aani


Listen, this is what I think: I think we can't go around measuring our goodness by what we don't do, by what we deny ourselves, what we resist, and who we exclude. I think we've got to measure goodness by what we embrace, what we create, and who we include. Pere Henri (Chocolat)
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My finger have that slasher look to them too. They also hurt if I try to turn a lot of pages. I have a hard time getting pages to turn. I have no ridges to grip them with. I am assuming it hurts to turn pages because my ridges are so low that my finger tip skin gets sore.
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(so can I lead a criminal life now that I have not prints?)


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