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mm134684
Saturday, December 29, 2007, 7:32pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Well I'm 99.999% sure I'm a nomad..just waiting on my secretor status to definitely confirm it...so I was wondering if there are any other nomads out there and if so what do they think of the food lists and what not...I'll be ecstatic if I definitely am a nomad cause all my favorite foods are on the beneficial list  whoohoo
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Yep... I'm a nomad too  

I suspect more will be dropping by the oasis once they learn their type. We B's and AB's take our time with things...  

I'm still trying to get a handle on some of the new food values and I would be interested in knowing how the changes came about, not just for nomads but for all the genotype groups.



The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit.

- Nelson Henderson
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Lex
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Hello! I think that i'am nomad to but not sure.. what tells secretor status ? Nomads in majority nonsecretors?

I just think that i'am a nonsecretor-nomad because i'am B with green eyes&red hair& very sensitive digestive tract,carbs making my health bad & i feeling good on nonfat kefir,yoghurt,baked onions with salmon or nonfat lamb(my primary source of nutrition), also i eat prunes but not sure is it good or not.And at all, i dont know what carbs except onions should i eat.

Can you !please!please! show superfood list for nomads?

maybe i'am totally mistaken & i'am an explorer or gatherer, very bad that i didn't have the book & can't login on genotype site cuz i didn't have right credit card..   my book should come to me in feb/08

Also i can say that my middle finger and thumb overlap,my torso < total leg length, upper leg>down leg,
my BMI < normal BMI(small boned,thin& for me it is very hard to weight gain)

Excuse for my English I'am living in mountains of Tibet & sitting in cave now, I do not know English grammar well)
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Hi, Lex--Welcome to our International On-line community!

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Quoted from Kristin
Yep... I'm a nomad too  

I suspect more will be dropping by the oasis once they learn their type. We B's and AB's take our time with things...  

I'm still trying to get a handle on some of the new food values and I would be interested in knowing how the changes came about, not just for nomads but for all the genotype groups.



Hey Kris,

A few thoughts about the GT6 diet
  • Fatty acids for colon regeneration similar to GT1 Hunter
  • Balances Catch-Up and Catch-Down Growth
  • Enhances sialic acid production in the gut (imparts an overall negative charge tot he GI tract, similar to GT3 teacher
  • Lectin avoids similar to the BTD 'B' Diet, minimize galectins
  • Enhance steroid metabolism
  • High arginine-citrulline content to maximize nitric oxide repair of immune and endothelial function]
  • Maximize p53 tumor supressor activity
  • Enhance histone acetylation (DNA winding) to minimize microbiological DNA and RNA inclusion into the host genome (as with the other receptor type GT3]





A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand

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Thanks Dr.D... and I actually understood most of that!!




The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit.

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Hi Lex, and welcome!!

Based on the information you have given so far, you could still be either nomad, gatherer, or explorer... depending on your Rh status and the comparative lengths of your index and ring fingers. That is... if I am reading the charts correctly...  

If you have been eating the B secretor diet, there are some changes in the nomad plan... particularly cow's milk has become an avoid, low gluten grains are emphasized, and some of the big avoids like chicken, rye, lentils, and peanuts are now an infrequent or occasional neutral after having been on the GTD for 3-6 months. Plus there are much more beneficial fruits and fruit juices to choose from. But it still resembles the B secretor diet quite a bit with some shifts here and there.....


The true meaning of life is to plant trees under whose shade you do not expect to sit.

- Nelson Henderson
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Lex
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Thanks for reply Kristin,Dr.D,MyraBee.

I'am Rh+;ring finger>index finger on both hands.

And in additional for my assumption that i have a nomad-GT i can say that "Nitricycle" makes me feel extra-energized.

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High arginine-citrulline content to maximize nitric oxide repair of immune and endothelial function


P.S. Thanks a lot for Dr.D !! GTD is one of the best things in our worlds life,but unfortunately small % of people knew about it.
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mm134684
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Lex..I just flipped to the advanced calculator and you are indeed a nomad yayy
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Lex...here is the nomad superfood list  

[You can't list the diet foods here. It violates copyright. Sorry. -Moderator]

Lex..I hope this helps :O) These are the Nomad Superfoods that "act as medicines, balancing stress, regenerating genes, and repairing the digestive tract.  Superfoods that help nomads maintain ideal weight, increase muscle mass, and decreaes body fat are identified by a * (actually by a diamond in the book lol)...to gain maximum benefit...these foods should be routinely consumed"

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whats nice is the pecan pie and cherry pie larabars' ingredients are all superfoods..that's kinda nice and convenient for a quick snack
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Well from the measurements I did today I am an apparent Nomad. Still a little puzzled about some of the diet changes from Bnonnie to Nomad. I'm afraid the avoid of chicken and peanuts is deeply embeded in my psyche but I will dearly miss kidney beans and collard greens.
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I'm hesitant about the chicken and peanuts too, especially since I have hypoglycemia and in the BTD book it says peanuts contribute to it...butter is now a superfood also-does this pertain to goat milk butter too I wonder?
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I'm also wondering how important dairy is on the GTD now since it was very emphasized for blood type B on the BTD..any thoughts?
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I'm probably a nomad.  If so, I'll be back!  



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my take on this is to adapt your GTD recommendations according to your health issues......much like the tier system in LRFYT......
truly individualized approach!

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mm134684
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Under the carbohydrates list it says oat bran and oat flour, as well as rice bran, rice flour, and rice (basmati, white,& brown) are superfoods...so can I assume rice cakes and oats (like oatmeal) are superfoods too?
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If they aren't listed as beneficials then I would assume they are neutrals. Perhaps they tax the digestive tract of nomads, or something similar... but just guessing there. I think if they were beneficials they would be listed as such.


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I am anxiously awaiting the arrival of my book.  I think I may be a Nomad.  Seems by the small description on the gtd website I fit the profile.  I'm short (under 5'1"), green eyes, quiet, optimistic and rational (the jury is out on witty!).  I can have a sensitive digestive tract at times.  And according to the fingers-around-the-wrist measurement, I'm a mesomorph.  My index finger appears to be longer than my ring finger, but not by much.

I am normally pretty patient, but my book is taking entirely too long to get here!


99.8% sure I'm a Nomad.
I think........
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I keep thinking of all these questions so anyone who has any insight on them, I appreciate it.  On the superfoods list it says gluten free and corn free breads...and then on the toxin list 100% sprouted wheat and essene breads have black dots.  So I was wondering whether ezekiel breads would fall under the gluten free and corn free breads since it does not have these? or maybe neutral? I'm not sure.
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Hi Lex, and welcome!!

Based on the information you have given so far, you could still be either nomad, gatherer, or explorer... depending on your Rh status and the comparative lengths of your index and ring fingers. That is... if I am reading the charts correctly...  

If you have been eating the B secretor diet, there are some changes in the nomad plan... particularly cow's milk has become an avoid, low gluten grains are emphasized, and some of the big avoids like chicken, rye, lentils, and peanuts are now an infrequent or occasional neutral after having been on the GTD for 3-6 months. Plus there are much more beneficial fruits and fruit juices to choose from. But it still resembles the B secretor diet quite a bit with some shifts here and there.....


and NO barley !!! ... sole ... lima bean ...mango ... orange ... beet juice ... white sugar ... grrrrr ...  !!!  


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I know and a few weeks ago I had just discovered lima beans and was loving them and eating so many!! Good thing I now know the things that are avoids!!
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I'm very thankfull that I have allways despised lima beans and now I know why. Actually I won't miss orange, beet juice,mango, or white sugar and I guess I can do without barley.
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I am almost sure that I am nomad. I have tested 21 on the strenght test. Now I am having a really hard time understanding how coconut oil is super benedicial now, as it is avoid for B types ("AVOID: Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins"). So what happens if the B non-secretor- Nomad eats it??? Also, the CHICKEN is allowed infrequently after 3 month. I have not have chicken in 9 yrs, as I thought of it as a poison. Maybe I am missing something here. I hope Dr D can help understand this.


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I think you are approaching the beneficials and avoids still with the blood type & secretor status mentality...whereas the book goes further and takes into consideration all of our genes and redefines the status of foods...before it was kinda like a one size fits all for each blood type and secretor status, but now is further geared towards our individuality
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oh, and I've only been doing this diet since August, and its amazing how I too thought of chicken as poison..so I can't imagine after 9 years, it must be ingrained in your mind...but I did miss the convenience of chicken...when there's nothing else to eat wherever I am there's always chicken...with that said I'm taking my chicken and new superfoods and running  
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I don't see this as a license to make chicken a staple, but more like the way we use infrequent neutrals.



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exactly..I used to live off of chicken..and from the time I gave it up I can honestly say I don't desire it, except for its convenience..so I'm thinking I'll only eat it as a last resort if there's absolutely nothing else I can eat...I'm a bit hesitant and afraid it will make me sick the first time I try it actually
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Don't forget that black dot foods should be avoided for 3-6 months so that your system can regain its balance.

I assume that you should try to avoid all black dot foods for 3-6 months vs. applying that logic to each food individually. In other words, if you have been avoiding chicken already for 3-6 months I would continue to avoid it for another 3-6 months along with all the other black dot foods you have been eating the past 3-6 months before starting to reintroduce any of them into your diet occasionally in modest amounts.

However, it would be nice to know if my assumption is what Dr. D meant.


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organic, free range and grass fed!!
glad it s not on my gatherer options.....
need 'a little help from my friend', and get my measurements taken care of, before I plunge in the wrong GT!


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Don..I took it as you did also..personally I plan on avoiding all the black dot foods for 6 months becuase my body most definitely needs some rebalancing and I have some health issues that need to be cleared up...and then after 6 months its really just my bananas I look forward to..the rest is more for convenience if need be
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diamonds all the way!!!


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speaking of diamonds...on the btd I was eating a lot of lamb because it was a superbeneficial..but now it doesn't have a diamond...and turkey does...should I consume all my meat from turkey..or is it still important to incorporate some red meat...I'm just trying to take the best shortcuts to health
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I would try to eat as broad a mix of Superfoods as possible, with maybe a little extra focus on the diamonds particularly if you are trying to deal with a weight issue.


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Quoted from Lola
organic, free range and grass fed!!

Chickens aren't grass-fed.

Just try to look for organic and free range and at a minimum only use antibiotic free chicken.



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exactly..I used to live off of chicken..and from the time I gave it up I can honestly say I don't desire it, except for its convenience..so I'm thinking I'll only eat it as a last resort if there's absolutely nothing else I can eat...I'm a bit hesitant and afraid it will make me sick the first time I try it actually


I agree with you here.  Chicken is very convenient.  I won't be going out of my way to eat it.  Never liked it as a kid and I don't miss it right now but it's the convenience thing.  I went on a family reunion cruise this past summer and was really enjoying the various soups and turkey with gravy when I realized that most of those things (soups and gravies) are made using a chicken stock base!  I was so mad at myself since I hadn't eaten chicken in about 4-5 years!

It'll be nice not to have to worry about that type of stuff anymore.


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I'm also wondering how important dairy is on the GTD now since it was very emphasized for blood type B on the BTD..any thoughts?


There are a lot of "diamonds" on the dairy list for nomads. But cottage cheese, ricotta and mozzarella are now occasional neutrals! These are staples of my diet! There are a couple other difficult changes that will have to be made but, for the most part, I am happy with my list (as long as it's the right one!).

I'm pretty sure I'm a Nomad. I measured myself with a 12" ruler so I'm going to have my husband measure me when I get the book (put the measurements in the site for now). I'm a B+, tall, with total leg length > torso, upper leg > lower. I'm not a red head nor do I have green eyes but the personality profile fits. I'm not sure about incisor shoveling? Hope that's described better in the book. I should have my secretor results on Thursday.



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Don't forget that black dot foods should be avoided for 3-6 months so that your system can regain its balance.

I assume that you should try to avoid all black dot foods for 3-6 months vs. applying that logic to each food individually. In other words, if you have been avoiding chicken already for 3-6 months I would continue to avoid it for another 3-6 months along with all the other black dot foods you have been eating the past 3-6 months before starting to reintroduce any of them into your diet occasionally in modest amounts.

However, it would be nice to know if my assumption is what Dr. D meant.



Whether or not that is the correct interpretation, it is the route I had decided to take. At the worst I'm a few extra months away from a few foods, not such a big deal. Plus I still need to finish off some prunes and a bit of homemade collard pickle.  
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After this shocking book, I'm really starting to think that it's MIND over MATTER ...  In general, all  vegetables r fruits r good for us in moderation of course ... 'cause as somebody said on here once ... even too much broccoli can kill u !!!
and lets take for example ... all of us that have been eating for years what we thought were beneficials and turns out they're TOXIC AVOIDS ... !!
Now what ??!!!
Have we damaged ourselves ??
R we still feeling healthy ??
or r we all of a sudden worried that we've been intoxicating ourselves ??
Moderation IS key in my opinion ... and sticking to the beneficials in both BTD and Genotype diet is what I'll probably end up doing ... and keeping up to date with the newly presented info and remaining close to my fellow B's to see what route they take ... etc ... but most of all ... I'll be trying out things for myself and see what works for ME and concentrate ONLY on  the superbennies if ill perhaps or gaining too much weight ...  
Cheers  


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I wonder if it's worst to eat a piece of cake or a vegetable that' s an AVOID ??  
At this point, I'll take the sweetstuff and try to eat a beneficial vegetable  
Cheers  


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I think that's a good idea, Lisalea... to keep in contact with other members of the tribe as they try out the GTD and see how it works for them. I can tell you right now that lentils will never be on my plate! lol! Or in my soup bowl... I used to just loooove lentil soup. But I know lentils do not do me well so that one is a non issue. For now, anyway....  


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There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them. The BTD didn't consider all the same criteria as the GTD does.

I encourage you to accept the changes and try to move forward towards the GTD.

When I hear someone say moderation in regards to their diet what typically comes to mind is that they don't know what else to do.

I think we have much better guidance with either the BTD or the GTD.  


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There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them. The BTD didn't consider all the same criteria as the GTD does.

I encourage you to accept the changes and try to move forward towards the GTD.

When I hear someone say moderation in regards to their diet what typically comes to mind is that they don't know what else to do.

I think we have much better guidance with either the BTD or the GTD.  


I have to agree with u John  
Moderation is the safest route for me for the moment,  as I slowly but surely get over the shocking changes ... of course I will embrace them in time;  especially if I start to feel better ... I will have to pay close attention as I try out different approaches in order to achieve optimal health hopefully ... change is inevitable and  I look forward to this new way of life ... I'm really loving the aspect of MORE carbs ... oh yes sir; suits me just fine !!!
I appreciate u John


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I think that's a good idea, Lisalea... to keep in contact with other members of the tribe as they try out the GTD and see how it works for them. I can tell you right now that lentils will never be on my plate! lol! Or in my soup bowl... I used to just loooove lentil soup. But I know lentils do not do me well so that one is a non issue. For now, anyway....  



I was wondering what happens when u eat lentils ?
Do u get sick ??
Btw, I'm sorry to hear that they don't do u well since u love them ... sigh ...

I actually love lentils but stopped eating them with BTD .. I look forward to eating them again with my basmati rice and vegetables and and LOTS of red pepper and/or curry !!
Yum  

Thank-u Kristin  

Cheer  


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Lentils are NOT my friends either ... I used to eat them a lot when I was a veggie   stopped after BTD - but have had them on occasions where I couldnt avoid them... but it is not my friends. not even that they are diamond foods for explores.


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all of us that have been eating for years what we thought were beneficials and turns out they're TOXIC AVOIDS ... !!
Now what ??!!!
Have we damaged ourselves ??
R we still feeling healthy ??
or r we all of a sudden worried that we've been intoxicating ourselves ??


Personally, since I haven't had quite the strong success I'd hoped for (see my thread "BTD helping but not enough"), maybe, for me, shifting from B-nonnie diet to Nomad diet is an important part of the puzzle I've been missing to make the breakthrough I want, and to keep it going!
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Personally, since I haven't had quite the strong success I'd hoped for (see my thread "BTD helping but not enough"), maybe, for me, shifting from B-nonnie diet to Nomad diet is an important part of the puzzle I've been missing to make the breakthrough I want, and to keep it going!

Yes, possibly. Did you read Dr D's blog today?



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drive55 I agree with you!!! I'm so hopeful and excited that this could be the missing link..the last piece of the puzzle  
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well I'm either a gatherer or a nomad..its my secretor status that will confirm...I scored a 0 on the gatherer strength test lol and like a 21 or something on the nomad..and I have to say the description of the nomad fits me better..but for some reason I was convinced that I was going to be a nonsecretor...I've just had health issues that I thought kinda indicated I would be...but I suppose I can't really go by that...I prefer the nomad diet anyway..so hopefully I will just be a secretor...so for now and until further notice I'm a nomad
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oh and when I read the gatherer chapter..I have some of the health issues described..but I suppose you can still have them and not be that genotype..time will tell
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actually I just checked and scored a 6 on the gatherer..without knowing if i'm a prop tester..but still the nomad won
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Quoted from Lisalea



I was wondering what happens when u eat lentils ?
Do u get sick ??
Btw, I'm sorry to hear that they don't do u well since u love them ... sigh ...

I actually love lentils but stopped eating them with BTD .. I look forward to eating them again with my basmati rice and vegetables and and LOTS of red pepper and/or curry !!
Yum  

Thank-u Kristin  

Cheer  


Well... there's the rub.... I was eating alot of lentils when I was trying to be vegetarian and felt just awful (huge fatigue, blood sugar crashes) so I associate lentils with that time in my life. I don't really know for sure. I have an association with how I feel eating them, but I never really tested them independently. For nomads, they are an infrequent neutral so they aren't something I would choose to eat regularly anyway based on that status. But they could be fine once in awhile. I just have to let go of my preconceived notions about them.... which might not be accurate anyway.


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Yes, Don, I just read it, that's about how I was thinking of this transition.
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Ok Nomads,
I'm checking out to be a Nomad, after measuring my fingers, torso, upper and lower legs.  The fingers were a challenge since I got a different measurement depending on where I placed the tip of the ruler, but the leg and torso numbers were the deciding factor.

I have not yet done the fingerprint test, but I'm sure I have the white lines.  They are visible even without a magnifying glass!



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Well I decided to cook like a Nomad today. Lamb sausage, sauteed kale, and spicy sweet potato pancakes(Rachel Rays version from foodtv.com but no white potato). Can't say I won't relapse under time pressure but I have enough cooked for a couple of days.
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I've eaten turkey several times this week, which is a change from my daily lamb.  And I've eliminated beet juice from my morning juicing.  Little by little.

I can't tell from the book how often and frequently we can have yogurt.  The specification is only for cheese.



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I've got turkey necks in the fridge for tomorrow when I will use them with either split peas or navy beans in the crockpot. Turkey going from neutral right to diamond beneficial is going to be both convenient and economical. A lot easier than finding moose or ostrich.
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sweet potato pancakes sounds absolutely delicious..and I agree turkey is so convenient...I was also wondering if anyone has found a compliant flaxseed, or corn & gluten free bread?
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Turkey is a problem for me since I don't know where I can buy organic and/or free-range turkey.  


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Turkey is a problem for me since I don't know where I can buy organic and/or free-range turkey.  



This company sells organic at a variety of outlets: Outlet page

Google turned up a number of hits. I can get free range locally (if I recall correctly).
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No outlets in my state.

I would prefer to buy local. I have gone the shipping route before with grass-fed meat and it gets expensive to ship the kind of poundage needed.


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Hello fellow nomads! Truly a romantic sounding category, don't you think? What can I say?
"Have him washed and brought to my tent!"

According to the GTD online calculator together with my quick and dirty measurements, I am a  nomad. l also chose 'nomad' before submitting my measurements. I have been eating like a diamond grade nomad for years in order to correct my severe anaemia. And that has also meant avoiding foods like peanuts and soya both of which were beneficials for me according to the BTD. I really have to redo my measurements because the coincidence between Peter's new categorisation of someone like me and my own experience in negotiating the AB diet is positively uncanny.

Meanwhile, speaking philosophically, (and as a nomad) it's stimulating for me to arrive at another point of departure, Peter!
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Hello fellow nomads! Truly a romantic sounding category, don't you think? What can I say?
"Have him washed and brought to my tent!"

eh


Ah, I do love my fellow gypsies!  



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For lunch I ate 1 1/2 cup of broccoli, carrot and red beet all chopped up over brown rice pasta, 2 eggs, 1 TBSP of olive oil, lots of onion and garlic, seasalt and lots of curry  ... sprinkled with 1 TBSP of Nutritional yeast flakes
and
I feel fantabulous !!!!!!!  

Yep, I've convinced myself that I'm a NOMAD Victoria  


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I've eaten turkey several times this week, which is a change from my daily lamb.  And I've eliminated beet juice from my morning juicing.  Little by little.

I can't tell from the book how often and frequently we can have yogurt.  The specification is only for cheese.



I second u Victoria ... I also wanna know if we can eat yogurt and/or drink kefir on a daily basis ??

Another thing, beets have the diamond next to it ... yuppi !!
however, then it states that beet JUICE is TOXIC ??  

Thanks  


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Well I decided to cook like a Nomad today. Lamb sausage, sauteed kale, and spicy sweet potato pancakes...

Whoa, any chance of an O non endomorph being a Nomad?  Because I want in on this action!  Where is my BOOK?!

Nomad or bust!  (But, face it, I'm a Gatherer ...well, at least I can console myself with my cottage cheese that I shall rush out and purchase once I actually know what's what, genotype-wise.)



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Well Twisty if you are a good girl for 6 months straight, I'll make it again and let you have some. Can't let you have today's find, 8 organic kiwis for $1.99. Of course the split pea and turkey neck soup(curry spices probably) I plan to make tonight/tomorrow would be okay if I omit the carrots. Of course I want my okra! Rats!, pity party over.
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I second u Victoria ... I also wanna know if we can eat yogurt and/or drink kefir on a daily basis ??


Ick, is it possible to drink kefir?  I tried some a while back, and it was like slightly watered-down yogurt.  It was way too thick to drink.

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Another thing, beets have the diamond next to it ... yuppi !!
however, then it states that beet JUICE is TOXIC ??  


I'm guessing that the beet's "good stuff" isn't in the juice, plus all the sugar in the juice isn't good for us.  With the "good stuff" gone, there's nothing to balance out all the sugar!
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I'm guessing that the beet's "good stuff" isn't in the juice, plus all the sugar in the juice isn't good for us.  With the "good stuff" gone, there's nothing to balance out all the sugar!


Beet juice is a powerful de-toxifier and can be stressful on the liver causing it to "dump". Since the liver is one of the organs susceptible to imbalance in the nomad, I suspect beet juice's powerful effects on the liver factor in too.


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Ick, is it possible to drink kefir?  I tried some a while back, and it was like slightly watered-down yogurt.  It was way too thick to drink.



I'm guessing that the beet's "good stuff" isn't in the juice, plus all the sugar in the juice isn't good for us.  With the "good stuff" gone, there's nothing to balance out all the sugar!


Yep, u can drink it ... it's fizzy and I like it
Cheers     



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Beet juice is a powerful de-toxifier and can be stressful on the liver causing it to "dump". Since the liver is one of the organs susceptible to imbalance in the nomad, I suspect beet juice's powerful effects on the liver factor in too.


Thank-u for the info Kristin

What about when I cook beets and add the remaining water to my dish ...
is that ok ... since all the nutrients r still in there  
Cheers  


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Bump! Started the crockpot before I left for work today. Split peas with turkey necks, onion, carrot, celery,curry powder, cumin, cayenne pepper, salt. Should be starting to smell good about now.
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Kefir is fizzy?  I don't think what I had was kefir, then.  It was much better described as "gluggy".
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Hello, I'm also NOMAD....

I don't know what type of gluten free bread we can eat? I usually eat rye bread 'beneficial' in LRFYT

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gluten free and corn free breads, those are the ones you can have, from your acceptable grains...and then on the toxin list
100% sprouted wheat and essene breads have black dots.
meaning, those can be introduced gradually after 6 months....
and avoid if there s a weight problem.


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Maybe LisaLea is talking about homemade kefir, which can taste like thin yogurt champagne.  



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Turkey is a problem for me since I don't know where I can buy organic and/or free-range turkey.  


I can find Shelton's free range ground turkey in my area. I did a store locator and this is what came up for Alabama--don't know if any of these are near you. I have no options for organic/free-range whole turkeys except around the holidays. I break down and buy Foster's Farms cutlets and tenderloin sometimes just to change things up but I don't feel great about it.  

http://www.sheltons.com/cgi-bin/sheltons/search.html



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These are from Kate's link for Sheldon's turkey:
     
Victory Market II
     5510 Hwy 280 S
     Birmingham
     AL
     35242
     
Garden Cove Produce Center
     628 Meridan Street
     Huntsville
     AL
     35801
     256-534-2683
Foods For Life
     1407- C North Memorial Parkway
     Huntsville
     AL
     35801
     256-533-2050
Manna Grocery
     2300 Mc Farland Boulevard #12
     Tuscaloosa
     AL
     35405
     205-752-9955

Sheldon's is my favorite turkey.  I buy the split turkey breasts and bake them.  I find them to be more juicy and tender than Diestel, which is still a good chemical-free turkey.  Diestel is sold at most Whole Foods stores.



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I can find Shelton's free range ground turkey in my area. I did a store locator and this is what came up for Alabama--don't know if any of these are near you. I have no options for organic/free-range whole turkeys except around the holidays. I break down and buy Foster's Farms cutlets and tenderloin sometimes just to change things up but I don't feel great about it.  

http://www.sheltons.com/cgi-bin/sheltons/search.html

Thanks, I hadn't gotten that far yet to check Shelton's website. I did check with the farmer that I buy grass-fed beef from today. He also sells pork and chicken, but no lamb, bison, or turkey.

I shop at the 2 Huntsville stores listed, but one is almost 100% vegetarian and they don't carry Shelton's Turkey products, except whole turkeys during the holiday season. I bought 2 from them this year. I might buy more if they have any left when I go in next time.

The other store occasionally carries some Shelton's products frozen and I think they will carry it all the time if I ask them. I currently don't shop there very often because they don't have much that I want, no fresh foods only processed.


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so I was just thinking about how beer is considered a superfood..but then it talks about how nomads especially are gluten intolerant and it bothers the digestive track..so how is beer a superfood when it contains barley malt, an avoid?
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American beer also often contains other things. Haven't touched it in years but I may try it in a few months.
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this is my beer of choice guys:
http://www.coopers.com.au/beer.php?id=127&amp;pid=1

I'm pretty sure it's also available in the US as a boutique beer. Coopers have some fanatstic hops and barley malt beer varieties made without additives and fermented traditionally.

BTW Barley malt isn't listed as an avoid in the GTD lists under carbohydrates although barley is listed.
I'm assuming bm is a neutral for now, and that's because...

I'm having my first beer in ages tonight. It's summer here....


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Kefir is fizzy?  I don't think what I had was kefir, then.  It was much better described as "gluggy".


Yep ... a fermented effervescent beverage !!  
It's NOT to everyone's liking though that's for sure  
and
If I turn out to be a Gatherer ... kefir and yogurt is toxic for me, hence I'm really praying that I'm indeed a Nomad  


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I'm having my first beer in ages tonight. It's summer here....


Enjoy... along with a 'freshly washed' one, I hope  



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Enjoy... along with a 'freshly washed' one, I hope  



Kristen dear,
This is my first private joke with a fellow nomad.... I'm washing him down with my beer
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Kristen dear,
This is my first private joke with a fellow nomad.... I'm washing him down with my beer
eh




And I'll raise my glass to that one.... bottoms up!


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this is my beer of choice guys:
http://www.coopers.com.au/beer.php?id=127&amp;pid=1

I'm pretty sure it's also available in the US as a boutique beer. Coopers have some fanatstic hops and barley malt beer varieties made without additives and fermented traditionally.

BTW Barley malt isn't listed as an avoid in the GTD lists under carbohydrates although barley is listed.
I'm assuming bm is a neutral for now, and that's because...

I'm having my first beer in ages tonight. It's summer here....


oh I am going to miss coopers, how unaustralian that I will no longer be able to participate!  
But, enjoy eh!
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gluten free and corn free breads, those are the ones you can have, from your acceptable grains...and then on the toxin list
100% sprouted wheat and essene breads have black dots.
meaning, those can be introduced gradually after 6 months....
and avoid if there s a weight problem.




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And I'll raise my glass to that one.... bottoms up!




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oh I am going to miss coopers, how unaustralian that I will no longer be able to participate!  
But, enjoy eh!


Bummmer, honeybee!


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Quoted from eh
this is my beer of choice guys:
http://www.coopers.com.au/beer.php?id=127&amp;pid=1

I'm pretty sure it's also available in the US as a boutique beer. Coopers have some fanatstic hops and barley malt beer varieties made without additives and fermented traditionally.

BTW Barley malt isn't listed as an avoid in the GTD lists under carbohydrates although barley is listed.
I'm assuming bm is a neutral for now, and that's because...

I'm having my first beer in ages tonight. It's summer here....



well unfortunately..barley malt isn't a carbohydrate, its a condiment/additive and is listed as an avoid for nomads under this section..sorry
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well unfortunately..barley malt isn't a carbohydrate, its a condiment/additive and is listed as an avoid for nomads under this section..sorry


double bummmer, mm....still,  beer is listed as a superfood. I wonder why, too....


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well grapefruit was listed as a superfood so i thought i would add it to my routine..and i've had awful awful stomach aches..and that's the only thing i've done differently so i'm assuming thats the cultprit..no more grapefruit for me...i'm left with a very irritated stomach lining   somehow i gotta get it back on track
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As a nomad your stomach is sensitive...maybe try the grapefruit again after a few weeks on the new plan.


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I'm curious ...
What about rice cakes  
What kind of seasalt ... iodized or NOT
and
Pasta rice ... is that a Superfood on neutral
Thanks folks  


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Since rice cakes and rice pasta are not listed, I consider them neutral.

With salt, I stiil do not know if iodized is better or not. So what I do is keep several different types of salt in the house and rotate using them... so I am getting a mixture of the trace minerals in each. And different salts have different flavors too. Right now I have iodized sea salt (which I use the least of), Celtic grey salt, Himalayan pink salt, and Herbamare (herb flavored salt).

I use the grey salt in cooking, especially in soups and stews as it departs a wonderful, earthy flavor. I have some finely ground pink Himalayan for everyday use, and the Herbamare when I want a little more flavor.


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i'm indecisive about the rice cakes made of whole grain brown rice (superfood) and then rice pasta made of rice flour and rice bran (superfoods)..its hard to say..but i suppose i'll consider them neutral..sigh
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So what I do is keep several different types of salt in the house and rotate using them...

That's a great idea actually   !!
I just bought a new bag of  Seasalt from Brittany  
Thanks  



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i'm indecisive about the rice cakes made of whole grain brown rice (superfood) and then rice pasta made of rice flour and rice bran (superfoods)..its hard to say..but i suppose i'll consider them neutral..sigh


That makes sence, thanks  
I would much prefer that they were superfoods or diamonds though  
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i'm indecisive about the rice cakes made of whole grain brown rice (superfood) and then rice pasta made of rice flour and rice bran (superfoods)..its hard to say..but i suppose i'll consider them neutral..sigh


It seems Dr. D started getting away from indicating multi-ingredient foods in any category because you can never know for sure that they'll all be made the same way. If the ingredients are superfoods, the sum of the ingredients should be as well.



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It seems Dr. D started getting away from indicating multi-ingredient foods in any category because you can never know for sure that they'll all be made the same way. If the ingredients are superfoods, the sum of the ingredients should be as well.


Yes, I second that, rice cakes could be made a hundred different ways (and probably are!), so it the ones you are looking at have good ingredients, go for it!
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...If the ingredients are superfoods, the sum of the ingredients should be as well.



I disagree with that, actually. I think for optimal nutrition, it is important to eat as close to the whole food as possible and that any type of processing strips away valuable nutrients... even with superfoods... as long as one's digestion is in good functioning order. I guess one could also argue that any food not eaten ripe from the vine could be considered "processed". But I certainly would not consider rice cakes to be equal in nutrition to freshly cooked brown rice. jmho....

btw... I love rice cakes and eat them often...


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I agree with Kristen.  I eat Lundberg's organic rice cakes (mochi sweet rice), and love them.  They are a fine company and their rice cakes are my favorite treat, with nut butters and blackstrap molasses.  However, I consider it more of a compliant treat than a whole food, such as cooked rice.



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Maybe LisaLea is talking about homemade kefir, which can taste like thin yogurt champagne.  


Hi Victoria  
I buy:
Kefir Organic from Liberty  


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I can't tell from the book how often and frequently we can have yogurt.  The specification is only for cheese.



Hello Victoria
I was wondering if u're eating a little yogurt and/or kefir on a daily basis since it's NOT specified  
How r u feeling on the Nomad diet ... hopefully better than BTD ??
Thanks  


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i think im  a nomad,
and i still continue on with some yogurt almost every day
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i think im  a nomad,
and i still continue on with some yogurt almost every day


Hi,
I'm just afraid that in the end I will find out that I'm a Gatherer and both yogurt and kefir r AVOIDS  
What confirmed ur Nomad Genotype since u don't have ur secretor status ??
and
may I ask if u're a B+ ??
I thank-u  


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no im a b- suprisingly.
the thing that made me decide that i am a nomad is the strength testing won for nomad and it was between nomad and explorer as per the advanced testing chart in the back of the book.
see the thing is... i did EXTREMELY (well, at least i think so) well on BTD on the B diet, avoiding all the b avoids and focusing on the b beneficials, and after simply comparing both the nomad and explorer diet i realized that the nomad diet is so much like the lifestyle i had already been leading. since i have done so well, and many of my staples were avoids for explorers, i knew i couldnt possibly be one because what i have been eating for the past over 6 months would have all been terrible avoids. does that make any sense lol?
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no im a b- suprisingly.
the thing that made me decide that i am a nomad is the strength testing won for nomad and it was between nomad and explorer as per the advanced testing chart in the back of the book.
see the thing is... i did EXTREMELY (well, at least i think so) well on BTD on the B diet, avoiding all the b avoids and focusing on the b beneficials, and after simply comparing both the nomad and explorer diet i realized that the nomad diet is so much like the lifestyle i had already been leading. since i have done so well, and many of my staples were avoids for explorers, i knew i couldnt possibly be one because what i have been eating for the past over 6 months would have all been terrible avoids. does that make any sense lol?


Oh yes makes ALOT of sence ... glad u're a Nomad  
Let's share recipes and meal plans/planning  
Cheers  


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Hello Victoria
I was wondering if u're eating a little yogurt and/or kefir on a daily basis since it's NOT specified  
How r u feeling on the Nomad diet ... hopefully better than BTD ??
Thanks  


I eat some yogurt every day.  Perhaps it will become clearer as time goes on, just how much yogurt is recommended for us.

I'm feeling good, and liking what I see of the diet.



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Oh yes makes ALOT of sence ... glad u're a Nomad  
Let's share recipes and meal plans/planning  
Cheers  


Good lol because i wasnt sure!!

I havent really changed to to much for the nomad diet yet, the main thing i have changed is the fruits that are avoids (mango - was neutral but now avoid and banana which was beneficial but now is after 3-6 months, i still have eaten a few here and there though because i love them) and i have tried to emphasize all of our beneficial cheeses such as gouda now rather than mozzerela and feta before (which i still love and will continue to eat because they are only avoids for 3-6 months)

however i have also realzied that i was doing WAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much food combining so i have recently tried to avoid that!!

what are some of ur meal plans/ foods?????????
(all nomads too lol)
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I eat some yogurt every day.  Perhaps it will become clearer as time goes on, just how much yogurt is recommended for us.

I'm feeling good, and liking what I see of the diet.

That's wonderful Victoria !!  



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Good lol because i wasnt sure!!

I havent really changed to to much for the nomad diet yet, the main thing i have changed is the fruits that are avoids (mango - was neutral but now avoid and banana which was beneficial but now is after 3-6 months, i still have eaten a few here and there though because i love them) and i have tried to emphasize all of our beneficial cheeses such as gouda now rather than mozzerela and feta before (which i still love and will continue to eat because they are only avoids for 3-6 months)

however i have also realzied that i was doing WAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much food combining so i have recently tried to avoid that!!

what are some of ur meal plans/ foods?????????
(all nomads too lol)



Well, I still eat bananas 'cause I absolutely love them !!!
I also eat  feta   ... less often though ...
it's hard to change a mind set right away ... easy does it ...  

I have started eating lamb and turkey more often now and eggs I still eat as I always did ... but NOT too many beans yet as they don't really seem the staple of the Nomad ...
I will start to cook them again though eventually ... I will still be eating Romano beans since they seem to be neutral; UNLESS somebdy knows otherwise  

The vegetables that I'm eating the most r zucchinis, green beans, asparagus ... then broccoli, spinach, carrots and beets (at least twice per week) ... and trying to cut out sugar ... that's gonna extremely difficult  

I've completely stopped my lattes again as they really make me burp alot, I must be lacto intolerant ... and tonight,  I had a craving for sweetsstuff BUT instead of indulging in an avoid(s)  ... I took a half cup of natural yogurt, cut up a banana, chopped up 4 walnuts and added a TB of honey and voila !! ... a wholesome dessert ... and then I had a slice of spelt bread with some almond butter ... I enjoyed every single bite  

Oh and I also am known for doing WAAAAAAAAAAAAY to much food combining ... sigh ... one day at a time ...
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yes its a very hard habit to break, isnt it!!
seems like u have lots of veggies...
try adding mushrooms and onions (loved them fried in a lil butter), yams (im addicted, bake in over at 450 for 30 min then eat with a lil salt and butter mmmmmmmmm) cauliflower (plain or in my case fried in butter or with butter hahaha)

o and have u tried KALE --> it rocks!!
as for fruits other than bananas lol: grapefruit, grapes, cranberrys, berries in general, pineapple, papaya...

oatmeal with berries keeps u full as well

and NAVY BEANS are awesome as well u should try them they are also addictive iwth a little butter and salt!

as u can prob tell i love butter, but everything in moderation1
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yes its a very hard habit to break, isnt it!!
seems like u have lots of veggies...
try adding mushrooms and onions (loved them fried in a lil butter), yams (im addicted, bake in over at 450 for 30 min then eat with a lil salt and butter mmmmmmmmm) cauliflower (plain or in my case fried in butter or with butter hahaha)

o and have u tried KALE --> it rocks!!
as for fruits other than bananas lol: grapefruit, grapes, cranberrys, berries in general, pineapple, papaya...

oatmeal with berries keeps u full as well

and NAVY BEANS are awesome as well u should try them they are also addictive iwth a little butter and salt!

as u can prob tell i love butter, but everything in moderation1


Sounds yummy my fellow Canadian girl  
I also love butter ESPECIALLY with two toasted spelt bread and a fruit jam (all natural ingredients of course ...)

Another thing that I LOVE LOVE LOVE is Sweet potato with molasses, nutmeg and a few chopped walnuts over it  

I do eat pineapple, love it big time ... papaya is another favorite but can't find it at the moment in cold Canada  

I gotta pick up some navy beans !!
Did u know that it's best to eat beans with rice ??
It makes it a complete protein eaten that way  ... try with basmati ... yum

Oh yes, onions of course ... I put them everywhere ... and garlic as well ...
I should give kale a try ...  

U can also try oatmeal with dried raisins, a little butter and maple syrup ... just another idea ... and btw; I do eat grapes as well ... try freezing them in the summer; they become so sweet !!... once in a while I'll also eat a pink grapefruit ...
Let's keep this thread going ... Nomads !!  


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i find the frozen grapes hurt my teeth!! lol maybe too sensitive? hahahha

molassess - the goey icky black stuff right? i have some in our cold celar, but i cannot bring myself to believe it is beneficial, it just reminds me of ICK !!!!
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I just found out I am a nomad. yeah! What kind of meals are you guys eating? I have not figured that part out yet. Im still following the AB plan.
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no im a b- suprisingly.
the thing that made me decide that i am a nomad is the strength testing won for nomad and it was between nomad and explorer as per the advanced testing chart in the back of the book.
see the thing is... i did EXTREMELY (well, at least i think so) well on BTD on the B diet, avoiding all the b avoids and focusing on the b beneficials, and after simply comparing both the nomad and explorer diet i realized that the nomad diet is so much like the lifestyle i had already been leading. since i have done so well, and many of my staples were avoids for explorers, i knew i couldnt possibly be one because what i have been eating for the past over 6 months would have all been terrible avoids. does that make any sense lol?


Well all the black dot avoids or toxicsfor explores that used to be bennies for me
- still makes me feel good.... and they have been part of my B diet for more than 8 years so I have decided that they are still part of my diet - just not so much as I used to indulge in
so I wouldnt be to sure about that way of figuring it out...


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Well all the black dot avoids or toxicsfor explores that used to be bennies for me
- still makes me feel good.... and they have been part of my B diet for more than 8 years so I have decided that they are still part of my diet - just not so much as I used to indulge in
so I wouldnt be to sure about that way of figuring it out...


I think that really makes sence Henriette since The Nomad, The Explorer and The Gatherer  r  basically all subs of the B bloodtype  

I've said it before already and I repeat; I feel that I have a little of ALL three in one; however since Dr. D'Adamo says we're just ONE Genotype I'm probably dominant in the Nomad hence I'm sticking with it  'cause that's what feels right for me and the determining factor (aside from the longer index fingers and torso and leg measurement and the fact that I'm a B+ versus negative ...) was mostly that kefir and yogurt is TOXIC for The Gatherer  
and since I've been eating yogurt all my life with no problems at least I don't think so ... I'm gonna continue on with it UNLESS somebody else tells me that there's something else that can replace Kefir's benefits (which I doubt exist at the present time) ...  then I'll be open to it of course ... however, in the meantime ...  

Another thing that I would like to tackle eventually is:  the specific ailments that perhaps apply to Explorer and Gatherer (that  r part of my family history such as diabetes, high blood presure ... etc )  even though I'm a Nomad and explore what foods keep those problems at bay and see if they r also part of The Nomad's protocol or at least NOT avoids ... cheers  


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Hi folks, I think yogurt is listed under dairy as a beneficial (page 274), and kefir is on the previous page.

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