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| mm134684 |
| Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:42pm |
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I think you are approaching the beneficials and avoids still with the blood type & secretor status mentality...whereas the book goes further and takes into consideration all of our genes and redefines the status of foods...before it was kinda like a one size fits all for each blood type and secretor status, but now is further geared towards our individuality  |
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| mm134684 |
| Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:45pm |
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oh, and I've only been doing this diet since August, and its amazing how I too thought of chicken as poison..so I can't imagine after 9 years, it must be ingrained in your mind...but I did miss the convenience of chicken...when there's nothing else to eat wherever I am there's always chicken...with that said I'm taking my chicken and new superfoods and running  |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:47pm |
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I don't see this as a license to make chicken a staple, but more like the way we use infrequent neutrals. |
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| mm134684 |
| Monday, December 31, 2007, 5:53pm |
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exactly..I used to live off of chicken..and from the time I gave it up I can honestly say I don't desire it, except for its convenience..so I'm thinking I'll only eat it as a last resort if there's absolutely nothing else I can eat...I'm a bit hesitant and afraid it will make me sick the first time I try it actually |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:01pm |
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Don't forget that black dot foods should be avoided for 3-6 months so that your system can regain its balance.
I assume that you should try to avoid all black dot foods for 3-6 months vs. applying that logic to each food individually. In other words, if you have been avoiding chicken already for 3-6 months I would continue to avoid it for another 3-6 months along with all the other black dot foods you have been eating the past 3-6 months before starting to reintroduce any of them into your diet occasionally in modest amounts.
However, it would be nice to know if my assumption is what Dr. D meant. |
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organic, free range and grass fed!! glad it s not on my gatherer options.....  need 'a little help from my friend', and get my measurements taken care of, before I plunge in the wrong GT!  |
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| mm134684 |
| Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:06pm |
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Don..I took it as you did also..personally I plan on avoiding all the black dot foods for 6 months becuase my body most definitely needs some rebalancing and I have some health issues that need to be cleared up...and then after 6 months its really just my bananas I look forward to..the rest is more for convenience if need be |
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diamonds all the way!!!  |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:20pm |
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speaking of diamonds...on the btd I was eating a lot of lamb because it was a superbeneficial..but now it doesn't have a diamond...and turkey does...should I consume all my meat from turkey..or is it still important to incorporate some red meat...I'm just trying to take the best shortcuts to health  |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:33pm |
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I would try to eat as broad a mix of Superfoods as possible, with maybe a little extra focus on the diamonds particularly if you are trying to deal with a weight issue. |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 6:36pm |
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organic, free range and grass fed!!
Chickens aren't grass-fed. Just try to look for organic and free range and at a minimum only use antibiotic free chicken. |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 7:29pm |
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exactly..I used to live off of chicken..and from the time I gave it up I can honestly say I don't desire it, except for its convenience..so I'm thinking I'll only eat it as a last resort if there's absolutely nothing else I can eat...I'm a bit hesitant and afraid it will make me sick the first time I try it actually
I agree with you here. Chicken is very convenient. I won't be going out of my way to eat it. Never liked it as a kid and I don't miss it right now but it's the convenience thing. I went on a family reunion cruise this past summer and was really enjoying the various soups and turkey with gravy when I realized that most of those things (soups and gravies) are made using a chicken stock base! I was so mad at myself since I hadn't eaten chicken in about 4-5 years! It'll be nice not to have to worry about that type of stuff anymore. |
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I'm also wondering how important dairy is on the GTD now since it was very emphasized for blood type B on the BTD..any thoughts?
There are a lot of "diamonds" on the dairy list for nomads. But cottage cheese, ricotta and mozzarella are now occasional neutrals! These are staples of my diet! There are a couple other difficult changes that will have to be made but, for the most part, I am happy with my list (as long as it's the right one!). I'm pretty sure I'm a Nomad. I measured myself with a 12" ruler so I'm going to have my husband measure me when I get the book (put the measurements in the site for now). I'm a B+, tall, with total leg length > torso, upper leg > lower. I'm not a red head nor do I have green eyes but the personality profile fits. I'm not sure about incisor shoveling? Hope that's described better in the book. I should have my secretor results on Thursday. |
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| Monday, December 31, 2007, 11:08pm |
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Don't forget that black dot foods should be avoided for 3-6 months so that your system can regain its balance.
I assume that you should try to avoid all black dot foods for 3-6 months vs. applying that logic to each food individually. In other words, if you have been avoiding chicken already for 3-6 months I would continue to avoid it for another 3-6 months along with all the other black dot foods you have been eating the past 3-6 months before starting to reintroduce any of them into your diet occasionally in modest amounts.
However, it would be nice to know if my assumption is what Dr. D meant.
Whether or not that is the correct interpretation, it is the route I had decided to take. At the worst I'm a few extra months away from a few foods, not such a big deal. Plus I still need to finish off some prunes and a bit of homemade collard pickle.  |
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After this shocking book, I'm really starting to think that it's MIND over MATTER ... In general, all vegetables r fruits r good for us in moderation of course ... 'cause as somebody said on here once ... even too much broccoli can kill u !!! and lets take for example ... all of us that have been eating for years what we thought were beneficials and turns out they're TOXIC AVOIDS ... !! Now what ??!!! Have we damaged ourselves ?? R we still feeling healthy ?? or r we all of a sudden worried that we've been intoxicating ourselves ??  Moderation IS key in my opinion ... and sticking to the beneficials in both BTD and Genotype diet is what I'll probably end up doing ... and keeping up to date with the newly presented info and remaining close to my fellow B's to see what route they take ... etc ... but most of all ... I'll be trying out things for myself and see what works for ME and concentrate ONLY on the superbennies if ill perhaps or gaining too much weight ...  Cheers  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:29am |
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I wonder if it's worst to eat a piece of cake or a vegetable that' s an AVOID ??  At this point, I'll take the sweetstuff and try to eat a beneficial vegetable  Cheers  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 12:38am |
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I think that's a good idea, Lisalea... to keep in contact with other members of the tribe as they try out the GTD and see how it works for them. I can tell you right now that lentils will never be on my plate! lol! Or in my soup bowl... I used to just loooove lentil soup. But I know lentils do not do me well so that one is a non issue. For now, anyway....  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:06am |
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There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them. The BTD didn't consider all the same criteria as the GTD does. I encourage you to accept the changes and try to move forward towards the GTD. When I hear someone say moderation in regards to their diet what typically comes to mind is that they don't know what else to do. I think we have much better guidance with either the BTD or the GTD.  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:21am |
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There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them. The BTD didn't consider all the same criteria as the GTD does. I encourage you to accept the changes and try to move forward towards the GTD. When I hear someone say moderation in regards to their diet what typically comes to mind is that they don't know what else to do. I think we have much better guidance with either the BTD or the GTD. 
I have to agree with u John  Moderation is the safest route for me for the moment, as I slowly but surely get over the shocking changes ... of course I will embrace them in time; especially if I start to feel better ... I will have to pay close attention as I try out different approaches in order to achieve optimal health hopefully ... change is inevitable and I look forward to this new way of life ... I'm really loving the aspect of MORE carbs ... oh yes sir; suits me just fine !!!  I appreciate u John  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:26am |
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I think that's a good idea, Lisalea... to keep in contact with other members of the tribe as they try out the GTD and see how it works for them. I can tell you right now that lentils will never be on my plate! lol! Or in my soup bowl... I used to just loooove lentil soup. But I know lentils do not do me well so that one is a non issue. For now, anyway.... 
I was wondering what happens when u eat lentils ? Do u get sick ?? Btw, I'm sorry to hear that they don't do u well since u love them ... sigh ... I actually love lentils but stopped eating them with BTD .. I look forward to eating them again with my basmati rice and vegetables and and LOTS of red pepper and/or curry !! Yum  Thank-u Kristin  Cheer  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 1:33pm |
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Lentils are NOT my friends either ... I used to eat them a lot when I was a veggie  stopped after BTD - but have had them on occasions where I couldn´t avoid them... but it is not my friends. not even that they are diamond foods for explores. |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:21pm |
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all of us that have been eating for years what we thought were beneficials and turns out they're TOXIC AVOIDS ... !! Now what ??!!! Have we damaged ourselves ?? R we still feeling healthy ?? or r we all of a sudden worried that we've been intoxicating ourselves ??
Personally, since I haven't had quite the strong success I'd hoped for (see my thread "BTD helping but not enough"), maybe, for me, shifting from B-nonnie diet to Nomad diet is an important part of the puzzle I've been missing to make the breakthrough I want, and to keep it going! |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 3:56pm |
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Personally, since I haven't had quite the strong success I'd hoped for (see my thread "BTD helping but not enough"), maybe, for me, shifting from B-nonnie diet to Nomad diet is an important part of the puzzle I've been missing to make the breakthrough I want, and to keep it going!
Yes, possibly. Did you read Dr D's blog today? |
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| mm134684 |
| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 4:03pm |
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drive55 I agree with you!!! I'm so hopeful and excited that this could be the missing link..the last piece of the puzzle  |
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| Tuesday, January 1, 2008, 4:15pm |
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well I'm either a gatherer or a nomad..its my secretor status that will confirm...I scored a 0 on the gatherer strength test lol and like a 21 or something on the nomad..and I have to say the description of the nomad fits me better..but for some reason I was convinced that I was going to be a nonsecretor...I've just had health issues that I thought kinda indicated I would be...but I suppose I can't really go by that...I prefer the nomad diet anyway..so hopefully I will just be a secretor...so for now and until further notice I'm a nomad  |
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