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OSuzanna
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Okay, here's a table for the Explorers to pull their chairs up to!
Set a spell and tell us who you are!
Happy about the new food? Unhappy?
Personally, I'm very sad about losing yellowtail, one of my all-time faves, but I get back my beloved apricots, apples, tapioca and mozzarella. Oh, yeah, I still get to eat that big bad mud bug, the lobster.
Now we need those pocket cards for the genotypes!


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Hey, where is everybody?


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I am happy to get yams and cottage cheese on occasion again, but sad to see the peanuts and tofu go  

For the most part this looks pretty doable. My husband and I now have a few more foods in common (like lentils) so that is helpfull too.



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have to get muchmore aclimated in that aerea O'Suzelannchen, I told  ya that I feel as a mix...and no-one can tell me the opposite... I know who I am and I know also the results of different test's with bioresonance or BIT....

loads of ways and different systems lead to Rome


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hm.....perhaps I should say bye-bye ......
where are those bl. nice  warriors ......


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I have a feeling that I might be an explorer, but my book will only arrive on 17th January - so I am not yet sure. But it would be great to be able to eat apricots and apples.
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Quoted from OSuzanna
Now we need those pocket cards for the genotypes!


???



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MyraBee, the BTD store sells laminated wallet fold-out cards for each blood type and secretor status. I love my O nonnie cheat-sheet! They just list bennies and avoids, anything else is neutral, great to have at restaurants & grocery stores. Would love to see that in a GTD version. Come to think of it, BTD has 8 cards (4 blood types in secretor and nonnie) it would take less cards for GTD, only 6!


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I guess I'm going to have to set out some Explorer-attracting foods and decorate... what do explorers like, um, maps, good hiking shoes, hey, airline tickets and cameras,


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Quoted from Curious
I have a feeling that I might be an explorer, but my book will only arrive on 17th January - so I am not yet sure. But it would be great to be able to eat apricots and apples.



Explorers get apples but apricots are avoids..


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Has anyone checked out the "overnight detox" in the book and on genotypediet.com?  It's kind of a gentle version of the infamous gallbladder/liver flush that's been discussed around here plus a castor oil pack.  

I really want to try that - the book says the blobs you might see are not gallstones, but I actually think this is a better detox.  I've done the full multiple-day gallbladder/liver flush before, but once I got to a point of feeling that I didn't need such a detox, I stopped doing them.  This version seems like a good happy medium.


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Explorers get apples but apricots are avoids..


Apricots are in the "give them up temporarily then you can have them back but not every day" category.
As an O nonnie, I couldn't have them at all with a clean conscience. for me, it's like getting apricots back.


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Quoted from Whimsical
Has anyone checked out the "overnight detox" in the book and on genotypediet.com?  It's kind of a gentle version of the infamous gallbladder/liver flush that's been discussed around here plus a castor oil pack.  

I really want to try that - the book says the blobs you might see are not gallstones, but I actually think this is a better detox.  I've done the full multiple-day gallbladder/liver flush before, but once I got to a point of feeling that I didn't need such a detox, I stopped doing them.  This version seems like a good happy medium.


I noticed that, and it looks doable. I chickened out and went the phyllanthus route 2 summers ago. Right after, people were telling me my skin tone looked tons better - out of the blue. Yeah, this isn't as extreme. I don't do nausea well.


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Apricots are only a temporary avoid, they can be re-introduced after 3-6 months. I love apricots, and since I only like them fresh off the tree the timing will be perfect  

I was wondering about the flush too. Is it pointless for someone who no longer has a gallbladder? Or will it still benefit my liver.



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Quoted from Heidi

I was wondering about the flush too. Is it pointless for someone who no longer has a gallbladder? Or will it still benefit my liver.


From my readings here there and everywhere, people with gallbaldder problems will have liver problems, too, and can flush stones from the liver as well as gallbladder, so I'd say go for it. Unless somebody wiser than me (and there's lots!) says not to.


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Quoted from Heidi

I was wondering about the flush too. Is it pointless for someone who no longer has a gallbladder? Or will it still benefit my liver.


Actually, if you no longer have a gallbladder, it is probably a really good thing to do.  Your liver still produces bile, which you need to digest fats, but it just doesn't get stored in the gallbladder.  This means you can't release bile as needed, instead it is just constantly trickling from the liver.  So your liver has become even more important - anything you can do to improve its function will be beneficial to you.  Because this detox is gentler and uses less oil (therefore easier for your body to deal with if you don't have a gallbladder), it should work fine for you.  Try it and find out!



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From scanning the book, I think I may be an explorer, too.
I would have to minimize my chocolate & banana combo which is important in appetite control & portability in my work situation & also a way to wake up since I can't tolerate caffeine.
Those items are very good for hunters & gatherers as are dates.
I suspect I shouldn't eat dates too much as I see how I feel if I eat too many. A tiny amount is OK.  Too bad as I found Lara Bars!!
I think my legs are a little longer than my torso, but even tho both ring fingers look longer upon first glance, if I measure them, on one hand, both fingers are about the same.
I need to get organized & test everything & need a friend to confirm things. I also need to 'bite the bullet' & pay for that secretor test as I still suspect nonniehood.
The leg bones seem very much the same length......
I was glad to see watermelon a bene for all the O GTs. I used to feel so great when eating it & was surprised to see so few bennies among O fruits. Now that changes!! Yahoo!!!!
I've got a ways to go to get it all together, but as of now, I suspect explorer as the type & maybe gatherer.
Well, we will see.
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Quoted from OSuzanna


Apricots are in the "give them up temporarily then you can have them back but not every day" category.
As an O nonnie, I couldn't have them at all with a clean conscience. for me, it's like getting apricots back.


But this is where I'm completely confused and i was rather new to following a diet for my
blood type when this Genotyping book suddenly appeared. Are the blood type food lists now obsolete?
Do we now follow our Genotype lists instead of the blood type list?



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Chloe,
You won't go wrong by continuing with the BTD.  The genotype program is just another step toward refining and further strengthening the results of choosing foods that suit you as an individual.  
Feel free to continue as you are, and if you wish, you can read the Genotype book at your leisure and try some transitioning.

The BTD alone is a powerful program, so keep at it as long as you wish!



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Ok I havent got the book yet... but I typed in my measurements and it says Im an explorer...
I dont know what to say when I read the discription it sounds very likely and I am a Rh - ... but when I look at the food list  feel   I need a tantrum face as well
.. all my favourite B secretor foods are gone......( or a lot 9 How can a bennie suddenly become avoid

Well I do need to loose weight (more than I have already on BTD) so my genotype might be the answer there... but I want to scream
I LIKED my B food !!!

So...am I the only one who find the foodlists looking pretty strange


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You're not the only one, Henriette.  It's the dawning of a new age.  



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Quoted from OSuzanna
Personally, I'm very sad about losing yellowtail, one of my all-time faves, Oh, yeah, I still get to eat that big bad mud bug, the lobster.
Now we need those pocket cards for the genotypes!


Same here, I will miss tilapia and some of the other fishes that warriors get to eat.


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Hi Explorers!  Looks like I am really a Gatherer, albeit a weird one!  My finger measurements are just not decisive enough and unless I turn out to be Rh- instead of Rh+ (which I thought I was), I am not one of you.  


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Hi Explorers!  Not exactly sure between Hunter or Explorer...longer ring fingers, never been overweight, Rh-, rely heavily on protein or I'll fade!

Oh yes, not a very patient person (waiting for the book)!  
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I am probably an explorer, but not sure yet (book is on its way).
A question: Do explorers have the same foods, regardless of whether they are 0's, A's or AB's?
Can someone list the really bad avoids for 0-explorers?
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Quoted from Curious
A question: Do explorers have the same foods, regardless of whether they are 0's, A's or AB's?

Yes, one food list for all Explorers.



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I am probably an explorer, but not sure yet (book is on its way).
Can someone list the really bad avoids for 0-explorers?

Why don't you take advantage of the free trial week on the GTD site? You could find out your GT and see the foods lists.



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is it true that u can only have the free trial if u have a credit card??
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Quoted from Heidi
I am happy to get yams and cottage cheese on occasion again, but sad to see the peanuts and tofu go  

For the most part this looks pretty doable. My husband and I now have a few more foods in common (like lentils) so that is helpfull too.


Peanuts and tofu??? Gone???  


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Quoted from dirrty_blonde_mp
is it true that u can only have the free trial if u have a credit card??


At this time, it requires a credit card to sign up. My read is that they may have alternate methods in the future. Remember, it is a new start up. Can't do everything at once.
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Peanuts and tofu??? Gone???  


On the Explorer list. Have you found out what you are?
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Yes, one food list for all Explorers.

Thanks Don! If all explorers (0's, A's and AB's) can eat the same foods - that indicates to me that blood-type is not that relevant for Explorers. Have I got this right?  
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Blood type is still used in the mix with other data points to determine Explorer GT.

Look at the advanced tables in the appendix of the book and you will see that for the same body and finger measurements different blood, Rh and secretor types may be Explorer or other GTs.


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Quoted from Don
Blood type is still used in the mix with other data points to determine Explorer GT.

Look at the advanced tables in the appendix of the book and you will see that for the same body and finger measurements different blood, Rh and secretor types may be Explorer or other GTs.


Ah, ok. I can't look in the book, because I have not got it yet (should be here on 17 January), I may just have to wait.
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....and the Bs

I must say after sleeping on this info I still feel split on how to feel about the explorer list:
I fit very well to the physically and mentally part of the explorer- except that I am overweight... but is true than I have lots of muscle even when overweight and the description of me medical hard to diagnose as well as sensitive to chemicals, medications etc is very accurate.

Is the weird (for a B secretor) foodlist the price the explorers pays for being a all BT genotype ?
BUT
I simply find it strange that I loose so many B bennies for ever like  MILK , Brussels sprout
Cabbage, Cauliflower and egg plant -( there are LOTS MORE
Foods that I have loved  and felt energized with
- while I gain veggies that I for sure knows are not my friend: like lentils, radish, artichokes and especially Jerusalem artichokes -that makes me fart so bad that I could kill the whole village.

I think I need the book to understand this issue more...

I must say that I had thought that the foodlist was more broken down ( in BT )

and when I read the post I can see that some people just jump in this new world,
other gets frustrated,  worry , angry and leave
and other step back and wait...

well when I first read ERT I was: what !!!
it is so true.... and do I really have to give up all theese foods ?
after a few weeks I returned after digesting this new knowledge...

So I guess Ill incomperate what I like from the new lists... and keep my bell peppers and milk as long as I care for them...

a brand new world is opening...


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Henriette, all natural reactions that you so aptly point out. The beauty of it is, you can pick it up wherever you want. You can stick with your BTD and still get good results. You can make individual adjustments to GTD based on your BTD preferences and still get good results. I expect the GTD to evolve, it's just impossible to anticipate which way. Either way there will still be people doing basic ER4YT.
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Thanks  Lloyd I think Ill just pick and choose  
Happy New Year


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Chloe,
You won't go wrong by continuing with the BTD.  The genotype program is just another step toward refining and further strengthening the results of choosing foods that suit you as an individual.  
Feel free to continue as you are, and if you wish, you can read the Genotype book at your leisure and try some transitioning.

The BTD alone is a powerful program, so keep at it as long as you wish!


Hi Victoria ... hope u're well  
Will u really continue with BTD when u know that many beneficials have now become AVOIDS ??  
I find it radical in the sence that here I was eating a ton of lima beans, kidney beans, salmon, parmesan ... etc ...  thinking they were beneficials and now turns out they're toxic ??
Things that make u go hmmmmm

Cheers  


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....and the Bs

I must say after sleeping on this info I still feel split on how to feel about the explorer list:
I fit very well to the physically and mentally part of the explorer- except that I am overweight... but is true than I have lots of muscle even when overweight and the description of me medical hard to diagnose as well as sensitive to chemicals, medications etc is very accurate.

Is the weird (for a B secretor) foodlist the price the explorers pays for being a all BT genotype ?
BUT
I simply find it strange that I loose so many B bennies for ever like  MILK , Brussels sprout
Cabbage, Cauliflower and egg plant -( there are LOTS MORE
Foods that I have loved  and felt energized with
- while I gain veggies that I for sure knows are not my friend: like lentils, radish, artichokes and especially Jerusalem artichokes -that makes me fart so bad that I could kill the whole village.

I think I need the book to understand this issue more...

I must say that I had thought that the foodlist was more broken down ( in BT )

and when I read the post I can see that some people just jump in this new world,
other gets frustrated,  worry , angry and leave
and other step back and wait...

well when I first read ERT I was: what !!!
it is so true.... and do I really have to give up all theese foods ?
after a few weeks I returned after digesting this new knowledge...

So I guess Ill incomperate what I like from the new lists... and keep my bell peppers and milk as long as I care for them...

a brand new world is opening...




I'm with u my Dear Henriette !!!  
I'm in shock right now ...  
Cheers  


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Quoted from Lisalea
I find it radical in the sence that here I was eating a ton of lima beans, kidney beans, salmon, parmesan ... etc ...  thinking they were beneficials and now turns out they're toxic ??
Things that make u go hmmmmm

They are toxic for reasons that the BTD didn't consider.

There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them.



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Quoted from Don

They are toxic for reasons that the BTD didn't consider.

There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them.


Ok with THAT said ...it would BENEFIT us all to be moving towards Genotype ... since we're here to evolve in life in general and especially when it comes to foods and our healths ...  hence,  when we KNOW better ... it would no doubt BENEFIT us to do better ...  


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Quoted from Lisalea

Hi Victoria ... hope u're well  
Will u really continue with BTD when u know that many beneficials have now become AVOIDS ??  
Cheers  


Hi LisaLea, and Happy New Year!  
I'm going into the new GTD with an open mind.  There is a lot that I don't understand about it yet because I haven't had the time over the holidays to read all the book.  But, I do not plan to just toss the BTD.  I'm sure my transition will be gradual, paying attention to my body's reaction to the changes.

I really like Mikeo's advice.  He is suggesting that we look at which of the BTD neutrals have now become GTD beneficials, and start focusing more on those.  I will probably start there.  I don't see myself immediately starting to eat foods in large quantities that I have believed were avoids, such as chicken and coconut oil for example.  I am not saying that I will never eat them, just that I need to move gently to let my body get used to the changes.

If a person feels unwilling to transition to the GTD, I think that they should just feel good about continuing the BTD if it is working well for them.  The BTD has not suddenly become wrong.  The GTD is just another step in the maturing of understanding about human individuality.



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Quoted from Victoria


Hi LisaLea, and Happy New Year!  
I'm going into the new GTD with an open mind.  There is a lot that I don't understand about it yet because I haven't had the time over the holidays to read all the book.  But, I do not plan to just toss the BTD.  I'm sure my transition will be gradual, paying attention to my body's reaction to the changes.

I really like Mikeo's advice.  He is suggesting that we look at which of the BTD neutrals have now become GTD beneficials, and start focusing more on those.  I will probably start there.  I don't see myself immediately starting to eat foods in large quantities that I have believed were avoids, such as chicken and coconut oil for example.  I am not saying that I will never eat them, just that I need to move gently to let my body get used to the changes.

If a person feels unwilling to transition to the GTD, I think that they should just feel good about continuing the BTD if it is working well for them.  The BTD has not suddenly become wrong.  The GTD is just another step in the maturing of understanding about human individuality.




Victoria u r one wonderful  AND  astute lady ... Happy New Years to u too !!  
I look so forward to sharing our journeys together with Genotype, I too will definately keep an open mind  


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When I first heard the descriptions of the 6 Genotypes, I thought Id be a Nomad.  So when I got the book and glanced at the Nomad diet, I was fine with it.  It correlated pretty closely to the B diet Im on.  But when I glanced at the chart in the back, I saw there were no B- non-secretor female nomads.  I did my measurements and found out I was an Explorer.  What????  Im a right handed caffeine addicted Ectomorphic.  Then I read the diet and was in shock.  Chicken is NOT an avoid!  All the BTD books say chicken is the absolute worse food a B can eat.  Some members of this forum have cut themselves and let the blood drip in a raw chicken and actually saw the blood agglumulate!  When I was in grad school I finally figured out what was causing my horrible stomach cramps chicken.  I stopped eating it and people laughed at me when I told them I was sensitive to chicken.  Then I was at a dinner function and another lady at my table also said she could not tolerate chicken.  I was elated to find someone else like me.  Then when I read ERFYT and read about chicken being a major avoid, I said this is the diet for me.  When I try to sell people on the BTD, those are the stories I tell.  If I was a secretor, Id be a nomad.  I sent both our saliva samples in at the same time.  Could they have made a mistake?  My son is a nomad.  Chicken is an avoid for a nomad.  I eat salmon once a week, not its an avoid for me, beneficial for my son.  I eat a hard boiled egg every morning, same story.  One of my few beneficial nuts was walnuts, now an avoid for me.  Etc Etc.  How am I going to talk up a diet that doesnt seem to fit me?


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
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hi explorers, i suspect i may e joining u soon! I hope so!        

i looked at the calculator on GTD site, and it seems no matter what my measurements are, beng a B neg nonnie makes me xxplorer..
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Quoted from honeybee
i looked at the calculator on GTD site, and it seems no matter what my measurements are, beng a B neg nonnie makes me xxplorer..


I think there are two combinations of B- nonnie measurements that can be a Gatherer.



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Quoted from Don


I think there are two combinations of B- nonnie measurements that can be a Gatherer.


hi Don,
I found only explorer , i am Rh- which i think made it so..?
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Quoted from honeybee

hi Don,
I found only explorer , i am Rh- which i think made it so..?


Look again on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables 2 and 4 in the GTD book Appendix in the index fingers longer section.

Both tables specify that you would be a Gatherer if the other torso and leg measurements point you to those tables.


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Quoted from Don


Look again on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables 2 and 4 in the GTD book Appendix in the index fingers longer section.

Both tables specify that you would be a Gatherer if the other torso and leg measurements point you to those tables.


ok, thnks for your reply.
I am only using the online calulator at the moment -untl book arrives  
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The 2 situations that you, as a B- nonnie, could be a Gatherer are if your lower leg is longer than or equal to your upper leg and your both index fingers are longer than your ring fingers.


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The 2 situations that you, as a B- nonnie, could be a Gatherer are if your lower leg is longer than or equal to your upper leg and your both index fingers are longer than your ring fingers.


ok, eek, now i am getting gatherer or nomad.. i understand how troubling this can be for some of us now!
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ok, eek, now i am getting gatherer or nomad.. i understand how troubling this can be for some of us now!

You can't be a nomad as a B- nonnie according to the book, so something is definitely wrong with your data input, or the program.



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Quoted from Don
The 2 situations that you, as a B- nonnie, could be a Gatherer are if your lower leg is longer than or equal to your upper leg and your both index fingers are longer than your ring fingers.


I'm also a B- nonnie, online calculator returned 'Explorer'. Lower leg shorter than upper. Index and ring fingers identical on both hands.

No book yet.  


I'm onto you, 'euphoria'
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From what I've gathered, could someone please suggest whether I'm leaning towards Hunter or Explorer?    

Torso longer than legs, upper leg longer than lower, both ring fingers 2cm longer than index...

Would really appreciate any comments.

Cheers  
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Assuming the data you presented is correct you are 100% confirmed an GT4 Explorer.


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Ok I have spent my afternoon making new list over my food and what can I say
Im still a bit   but not freaked out.

However some of the categories really makes me wonder :-/ did I test right ???

The Meat ... well it looks pretty much like my old B meat list... not much new there
The poultry - thank heaven turkey are still there. ;).. I dont know If Ill  eat chicken -used to make me constipated and the other poultry hard to get
Fish : where is my salmon????  well at least monkfish and cod are still ok or good
The salmons that are ok in moderation after 3-6 months are not at all easy to get here in Denmark and tuna is a no no and that is one thing I used to eat a lot since Im  really are so fussy with fish
MILK OH My OH MY are you certain that I a B should be explorer...
Well ricotta and paneer is nice and at least I get some fermented milk backafter a while but not butter( Ghee is nice ;)) or milk. Is this the price I pay for being with the A and AB and Os ;)
Nuts - well macadamias are among my favourites and at least almonds and walnuts return after a while.
The beans -does not look like my  B beans at all   and can I eat so many ? but Im happy to see peas and green beans high
Veggies- well ASPARAGUS are great and at least broccoli and carrots are still there
but all my other B cabbage are gone and my red peppers and EGGPLANT  
Yes I have gained lettuce, bitter plants and radish   but.....

Fruit -well Im lucky to live in an area where several of the diamond fruits are plenty and the other bennies are easy to get in general ... but my oh my what have I lost

Drinks herbs etc looks ok... sugar isnt healthy for any....

BUT I wonder what will I use instead of milk since both cow, goat, rice and soy milk is out and almonds are a black dot nut
and eggs I wont stop eating my 4-6 pr week lovely homemade eggs....

My plan is
to add the easy diamond and bennies into my diet and foods that have been neutral before.
I will leave the avoids out that I didnt like anyway or where neutrals before
... but untill now Ill keep my old bennies like milk, feta etc or I go crazy  



ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids
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Oh by the well I think Ill post this on Genotype as well  


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
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I'm with u Henriette   

Actually, I've been jumping from Explorer to Nomad ... and suddenly I started thinking that perhaps I'm a Gatherer instead !!!  

Am I the only one that's bewildered here ???
I seem to have characteristics in all three ...  

Ok ...lets see ...

I'm VERY emotional   and struggle with appetite control 'cause I love food !!!
no weight issues really though ... BUT if I do gain it bascially goes all to my BELLY !!!
(Gatherer)


I'm athletic looking on a petite-medium frame I would say ...
and
I'm VERY senstive to caffeine ... if I drink it after 4-5 pm = NO SHUT EYE.
(Explorer)


I must have a VERY sensitive digestive track since I've been having so
many digestive issues the last two years with lots of burping, gurgling noises, pasty mouth in the morning ... and now even blood in my stool !!!
HOWEVER, I don't have read hair and green eyes ...  
(Nomad)


I would really like to know EXACTLY who I am ???
'cause I really wanna start eating the right way ASAP and hopefully start to move towards optimal health again

More info:
I'm 5' 6 about, 125 pounds

Brown hair and eyes

Both my index finers and ring fingers match lengths; however,
looks like my index fingers r somewhat longer ...

Ideal waist-to-hip; however, whenever I do gain weight it goes straight to my belly   and I look pregnant

I'm a B+

I need an expert here  
Cheers  


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Quoted from Lisalea
I need an expert here  

Do you have the book yet?
If not, have you joined the GTD site?
Have you taken all the measurements you can? Watch the videos to get help on how to do the measurements.
Once you have the measurements and other data load it into the GTD site online GT calculator or use the tables in the book to determine your GT.

If you still need help post the data here.

Guessing your GT based on other criteria is not going to be very useful.

Getting your secretor status would probably help 100% confirm your GT.


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Quoted from Don

Do you have the book yet?
If not, have you joined the GTD site?
Have you taken all the measurements you can? Watch the videos to get help on how to do the measurements.
Once you have the measurements and other data load it into the GTD site online GT calculator or use the tables in the book to determine your GT.

If you still need help post the data here.

Guessing your GT based on other criteria is not going to be very useful.

Getting your secretor status would probably help 100% confirm your GT.




Yes, of course I bought the book but haven't really had the chance to take all the measurements since I  can't locate my tape measure ... sigh ...   and with the holiday and all ... I'm anxious to find out for sure though!!
In the meantime, I'm gonna stick to goat, lamb and turkey, eggs and almond butter ... essene bread and pasta rice, quinoa, millet and all types of lentils !!
As far as veggies GO ... looks like I'll be safe with beets, carrots and broccoli ... and apples, papaya, pineapple but I'm NOT ready to give up all my fruits not for now anyways ...  I could even eat Rye bread ... looks like ... wow ...  
and I would love to be an Explorer and be able to eat POLENTA !!!!!!!!!   ... Yuppiii ...  
I'm really praying that I don't have to give up kefir and yogurt if I'm a Gatherer ... so help me God ... I drink tons of it ... especially when I've eaten so much sugar ... etc ... and all the incredibly amazing benefits of kefir that I keep reading about ... would make it a real tragedy to give it up !!!
Thanks Don  


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Quoted from Don

If you still need help post the data here.


Thank-u much John  


Quoted from Don
Getting your secretor status would probably help 100% confirm your GT.


?? In what sence ?

Thank-u again



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Based on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables your Genotype is 100% confirmed if you have your blood type, Rh, secretor status and your torso, leg, and finger length measurements.


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Im with Henriette.  It is very unsettling to have to change the diet youve become accustomed to and has been working well for you.  I have a hard boiled egg and a banana in the car every morning on the way to work.  Both are now dot avoids.  Even though Im getting over a cold this week, Im still eating them.  Otherwise Ill skip breakfast and that is even worse for getting over an illness.  For lunch I have a salad with broccoli, cauliflower, and cheese or yogurt.  Cauliflower went from beneficial to avoid without even a dot.  Yogurt is a dot avoid.  I have fish several times a week and my favorites are now either dot avoids or full fledged avoids (like tilapia).  Butter is an avoid!  Walnuts are dot avoids.  I have to revise my whole shopping list.  Im not going to jump in full force to the Explorer diet.  Im going to gradually shift and see how my body reacts.  Except for chicken.  I refuse to eat it even if it is a neutral.


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
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ok, eek, now i am getting gatherer or nomad.. i understand how troubling this can be for some of us now!


If I'm a Gatherer,  it'll be indeed VERY upsetting ...
ESPECIALLY about the kefir and yogurt !!!  
The rest seems to be ok ...  I think ... let me go back to my book on page 203



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The book hasn't arrived yet and I haven't been to the website (no time) but I too am guessing that I'm an Explorer.
Left-handed, Rh-, ring finger longer than index, Torso longer than legs (anecdotally ... I haven't measured the torso bit yet as I don't know where to measure from).

What's this about eggs? I eat 3 eggs for breakfast every day!!!
It was a big change doing the 3 eggs for breakfast Looks like I'm in for another big change.

It sounds like change is good for Explorers. I wonder if that explains why I have a soft spot for stories by Jules Verne  
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Based on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables your Genotype is 100% confirmed if you have your blood type, Rh, secretor status and your torso, leg, and finger length measurements.


Today, I finally glanced at the section: Advanced GenoType Calculator tables and so far I'm leaning towards Nomad ...  but still need my secretor status to confirm I guess ...  

Thanks John  



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Quoted from vandelam
...I don't know where to measure from).

Look at all the GTD video Dr. D put up on YouTube and in his blog to find out how to do the measurements.

Post them and someone can help you figure out your GT while you are waiting for the book to arrive.


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Get your secretor test, LisaLea.  Just do it! (do it)    



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Quoted from vandelam
The book hasn't arrived yet and I haven't been to the website (no time) but I too am guessing that I'm an Explorer.
Left-handed, Rh-, ring finger longer than index, Torso longer than legs (anecdotally ... I haven't measured the torso bit yet as I don't know where to measure from).

What's this about eggs? I eat 3 eggs for breakfast every day!!!
It was a big change doing the 3 eggs for breakfast Looks like I'm in for another big change.

It sounds like change is good for Explorers. I wonder if that explains why I have a soft spot for stories by Jules Verne  


Well they come back after 3-6 months...
but I feel your pain  
I use a lot of eggs as well to keep me happy .... at least my hens are taking a winter break  

However I dont think Ill leave them completely out of my diet for 3 months... what should I use instead ??? goose egg .. . that is a joke here in Denmark


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Assuming the data you presented is correct you are 100% confirmed an GT4 Explorer.


Wow! Thanks Don...I always was the black sheep of the family (!) and I've done extensive traveling around this planet and will always jump at any opportunity to do more  
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Quoted from Don

Look at all the GTD video Dr. D put up on YouTube and in his blog to find out how to do the measurements.

Post them and someone can help you figure out your GT while you are waiting for the book to arrive.


Thanks, Don.
Here are my measurements:

Total height: 171 cm
Torso height: 94 cm
Total leg length: 77 cm
Upper leg : 36 cm
Lower leg : 34 cm

Left index: 73 mm
Left ring : 75 mm
Right index: 70 mm
Right ring : 74 mm

Waist : 85 cm
Hips  : 96 cm
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Quoted from vandelam
Here are my measurements:

Total height: 171 cm
Torso height: 94 cm
Total leg length: 77 cm
Upper leg : 36 cm
Lower leg : 34 cm

Left index: 73 mm
Left ring : 75 mm
Right index: 70 mm
Right ring : 74 mm

Based on that you are a confirmed Hunter.



FIFHI; ISTP;
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Quoted from Don

Based on that you are a confirmed Hunter.



Yipes. I didn't expect that. Sorry to have wasted the Explorer's time.  

Looks like I'm off to find another thread  

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Hi Explores where ever you are

Have you gotten more adjusted to your new lists ?

I have posted a few Q on the GTD - I thought we better start using that as well...

but I have a slight problem with breakfast ideas  
Except for that I have spent the day making new lists looks good in different colours
had peas and meatsauce for lunch as well as apple and licorice/ peppermint tea .. felt good
For dinner Im planning a soup based on marrowbones and asparagus  


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Quoted from Don

Based on that you are a confirmed Hunter.



Wow those upper and lower leg lengths are awfully close.  If the finger margin of error is 2-3mm...the leg would surely be more?  Might make a difference?


Embracing my A-ness! (Ok, that is waaaay better in print than it is out loud! )

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Quoted from Gumby
Wow those upper and lower leg lengths are awfully close.  If the finger margin of error is 2-3mm...the leg would surely be more?  Might make a difference?

I wouldn't make any assumptions about leg length differences based on the tolerance of the finger length measurements. Dr. D had specific reasons for the finger length tolerance.
Quoted from Dr. D
in evaluating the results from the clinic studies it was easy to see why ties (or even close neck and neck issues) should go to the index finger. True androgenic types have way longer ring fingers; a distinction often obvious enough to preclude a  any need for measurement whatsoever.




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Makes me wonder if I'm really a Gatherer! Those dang fingies so close an' all...


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Get your secretor test, LisaLea.  Just do it! (do it)    

  


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...nope, ring fingers still longer...

Well, this morning I started charting out the types of foods I should be eating and how many X per day. Also started a shopping list of supplements. This is definitely going to be interesting! However now that Mr. OSuzanna seems to be a Hunter, I won't be able to feed us identically. I'll worry about that later. He willingly usually avoids grains except for rice, and peanut butter. These things seem to make his skin itchy & flaky. Hence the nickname "Hannibal Lectin."


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Osuzanna have you figured out what to eat in the morning yet ?
Grains and fruit seems pretty high sugar rush for me.

Love the "Hannibal Lectin."

Im wondering how to match my daughter diet with this as well
especially if she turns out to be a garther  

My list are all colour matched   ( visual B explorer)
I left some of the more weird stuff out...
My problem is especially with the diamond fish ...
most of them we cant get here...
but at least I can get cod, cusk monkfish  sea bream whitefish and turbot...so ill be ok
Some of the fish is pretty revolting for me


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Quoted from Lloyd


On the Explorer list. Have you found out what you are?


I'm a Warrior, so this doesn't apply to me, thank goodness!  


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I am still struggling with breakfast.  My normal routine was to eat a hard boiled egg and a banana in the car while driving to work.  Id wash it down with Water Joe (spring water & caffeine).  Lets see chicken egg is dot avoid (no geese flying by have left any of their beneficial eggs for me), banana is a dot avoid, and caffeine is a full fledged avoid.  

I totally love butter which is now an avoid for me. Yesterday, I made brown rice, with sea salt, mozzarella cheese (one of the few of my beloved cheeses available to me) and olive oil.  I need to buy or make some ghee.

We all have to chant Trust in Dr D, he knows what is good for us.

OK Explorers, well get though this transition together.




I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
Revised from Arlene B- NonSec to RedLilac on 3/31/06
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Hi all....

I'm here wit yu'se guys now.   What a shocker!  Anway first thing off the list is coffee.  That will be a hard one.  Will spend the weekend with a pot of green tea and hope for the best.

Oh, how I desperately wanted to be a Nomad!


OUCH!!   My dogma was just run over by my karma!
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Well Im glad that some Bs at least join me here.
I was feeling so weird about being B and explorer for a while I wanted so much to be with the gentle B nomads( Victoria ; Kristin and GCG)
but somehow Im more Ghengis Khan as a explorer

Butter   milk
Dont know how ill handle it jet... maybe no butte, eggs and milk from monday to friday - and then a little in the weekend.




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Awe Actually I wondered about maybe being an explorer. I've definitely figured out I have the caffeine sensitivity but I am Rhpos(though I'm thinking about retesting), right handed, ring fingers longer than index fingers on both hands, have a rock solid sense of direction, and am sensative to barometric pressure changes. I definitely like my food lists better than yours and following it seems to be working.

Don't worry Kristin, Victoria, and I still consider you our cousin. You can still drop by the camp as long as you don't try to swipe our goats
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you better figure out since some parts are pretty different  
Love you  B guys what ever you are:
nomads, gatherers or explores -you are bs as well  
Ghengis Khan aka Henriette


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Quoted from gulfcoastguy

Don't worry Kristin, Victoria, and I still consider you our cousin. You can still drop by the camp as long as you don't try to swipe our goats


ROFLMAO

Oh, by the way,....I now think I'm a Gatherer, so I'm going to move into their compound. But I'll leave the table & chairs & decor I set up when I started the thread.
It's been real! See ya 'round the compound, kids! Love ya!


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Osuzanna have you figured out what to eat in the morning yet ?
Grains and fruit seems pretty high sugar rush for me.

Love the "Hannibal Lectin."


I've been going between rice cakes with mozzarella, butter and pinto beans, and ostrich or beef w/onions. So far. It's only been a few days for me.


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Okay did the Eldon card at my local health food store and I am definately Rh positive B. This health food store was counseling a shop full of people on the BTD and doing blood test(certified technician)like every saturday. A grandmother carried her college football playing grandson in and paid to have him typed. When they found out he was an O Jim, the owner, filled him in on the diet. They are reviewing the Genotype book and getting ready to order suppliments and test kits. They also carry goat meat but no moose or ostritch. So back to my tent with the other Nomads.
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My little explorer needed dessert. Ricotta cheese,cocoa powder(HFS) and honey whipped up OMG like a mousse.
Yes I know it has a black dot on the chocolate but what's a Mom to do.


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married to prob an A
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Quoted from drgnwng1
My little explorer needed dessert. Ricotta cheese,cocoa powder(HFS) and honey whipped up OMG like a mousse.
Yes I know it has a black dot on the chocolate but what's a Mom to do.


i am really going to get into this ricotta thing!
On a side, am feeling like a bit of a lonely wandering B, my book hasn't showed up when supposed to, the food lists are spinning round and round in my head, but i do have some nice fennel, licorice and peppermint tea. it is soothing, it ok for all B geno's and I can not wait to start trading sweet goat meat and illicit chocolate with u all  
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Quoted from RedLilac
I totally love butter which is now an avoid for me.


The food list on the GTD website does not list butter as a toxin to avoid but in the book it does. I've been using it as neutral. Can someone clarify which is correct?


I'm onto you, 'euphoria'
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Quoted from teri
The food list on the GTD website does not list butter as a toxin to avoid but in the book it does. I've been using it as neutral. Can someone clarify which is correct?


Aha, I was looking in the dairy food category where butter is not listed at all. It is listed as a toxin to avoid in the fats and oils category, though, so that answers my own question. Not that I'm happy about the answer, no way!



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I bought Ghee today and tried it on my rice cake.  I can live with that.

Im very sad about my loss of cheeses.   Im going to miss them.

My sons nomad diet looks very similar to our B diet, but cows milk is listed as an avoid.  He balked at that one and said No way am I giving up my milk.  It is like all those years he was growing up I told him to drink his milk and now dont.


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Well good for you GCG

Yes ghee works well in all the situations were butter would have been melted...however I still dont like it on bread... miss the smooth feeling of butter.However I dont plan on eating a lot of bread so ... maybe a bit of butter on my sunday bread will be ok.
Yes thye cheese is sad There is not a single flavourfull cheese on the explorer list.
I mean mozza and feta is ok ... but they dont taste of cheese like Gouda or cheddar.



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About the "overnight detox" in the Genoptype book.
Do not think it would be wise for Gatherers to do this detox because apple juice is an avoid for them.
And with this detox you must drink lots of apple juice.
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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Well Im glad that some Bs at least join me here.
I was feeling so weird about being B and explorer for a while I wanted so much to be with the gentle B nomads( Victoria ; Kristin and GCG)
but somehow Im more Ghengis Khan as a explorer

Butter   milk
Dont know how ill handle it jet... maybe no butte, eggs and milk from monday to friday - and then a little in the weekend.





May I ask if u're a B- Henriette ?  
I was under the impression that Explorer's were B- nonnies  
Thanks  


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I think my husband might be an Explorer in the GTD, and I am hoping that someone will help me to type him so he will know for sure (book in transit...):

A+
Height = 172 cm
Torso = 86cm
Legs = 86 cm
Upper leg = 39 cm
Lower leg = 42 cm

He is left handed

Left hand = Index finger 5mm longer than ring finger
Right hand = Ring finger 2mm longer than index finger

The finger length difference has really got to him, he never noticed it before I measured them, and now he simply must know what it all means  

Thank you
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Based on that info it looks like Teacher.
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Thank you once again Lloyd.  I will have to go away and find out more about Teachers.  They had better be allowed to eat wheat, milk and eggs or he won't be a happy camper  
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Quoted from Lisalea



May I ask if u're a B- Henriette ?  
I was under the impression that Explorer's were B- nonnies  
Thanks  


Im a B rh -
but a secretor... I might a weak secretor   I dont know.
and my ringfingers a 0.5 cm longer than my index fingers.... so


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec


Im a B rh -
but a secretor... I might a weak secretor   I dont know.
and my ringfingers a 0.5 cm longer than my index fingers.... so

Based on that data you have to be an Explorer.


FIFHI; ISTP;
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I know Don I saw your answer   thanks for  checking my info

I think Lisalea asked how a secretor could be a Explorer.


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Okay, I'm checking in without reading the other 102 posts.  (Sorry.)

I'm amazed about the turnabout in Bennies/Avoids: Apple juice, Walnuts.  What's up with that?!

I kind of suspected I'd have to give up soy, but what do I put on my cereal in the morning?  Not cow milk, not soy milk, not rice milk, not almond milk, not even hemp milk (which I bought yesterday).  Arrgh.  I guess I'll just use water.

So I'm wondering if I should bother getting my secretor status tested?


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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well I understand your pain....
homemade ricemilk should be ok... basmati rice- diamond food.
Maybe also almondmilk since some of the other types have a separate rating for almondmilk to almonds.

I had a good day today trying to get as many diamond/ superbennis foods - but my body did not like the high carb low protein breakfast I had... so I need to work on that.


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec


Im a B rh -
but a secretor... I might a weak secretor   I dont know.
and my ringfingers a 0.5 cm longer than my index fingers.... so



Thanks Henriette  
Think positive, u're NOT a weak secretor and hopefully u're happy about being an Explorer  


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Thanks Henriette  
Think positive, u're NOT a weak secretor and hopefully u're happy about being an Explorer  


Yeah Im getting more and more happy about it...


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Yeah Im getting more and more happy about it...


Fantabulous !!!  


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I just measured DH up - he's an Explorer!

And about us not being the same type! Typical!

Heh - and I can already hear the questions and the whining: "Why can't I have that anymore?" "Why is it changing again?" "Can I have that?" "Why?"

Well, I guess this Gatherer has to Explore the food-lists!


Poly

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SquarePeg,
  I don't know if GTD gives suggestions for meal planning, but maybe you could fore go cerial all together.  Some one reasently suggested that I should eat my protein for breakfast, and it is amazing how much more energy I have through out the day.
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I'm an A neg non secretor, torso longer than legs, lower leg longer than upper leg Explorer! Phew!

The lamb totally agrees with me.

Nice to have Ghee, Mozzarella & Paneer. Going out to Indian, anyone?

Pintos & Basmati Rice

Made lamb shanks in the pressure cooker in 28 minutes today. Fork tender. Tossed in some rosemary, Great Northern Beans & Collards, carrots, onions & shallots. Very tasty. Good winter food.

Are there any other A, Rh neg, non secreting Explorers out there?

Ironically, a friend in high school nicknamed me "Wrongway"


It is so pleasant to explore nature & oneself at the same time, doing violence neither to her nor to one's own spirit, but bringing both into balance in gentle, mutual interaction.

Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe
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I just measured DH up - he's an Explorer!

And about us not being the same type! Typical!

Heh - and I can already hear the questions and the whining: "Why can't I have that anymore?" "Why is it changing again?" "Can I have that?" "Why?"

Well, I guess this Gatherer has to Explore the food-lists!





ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids

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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
Maybe also almondmilk since some of the other types have a separate rating for almondmilk to almonds.
Almonds and Almond butter are both avoids.  I doubt that almond milk is neutral just because it wasn't listed.  I'm assuming it was an oversight that it wasn't listed.

As medavida wrote, it's probably best if I give up cereal altogether.  It's tough because morning meals are problematic for me.  There's little time in the mornings.  Also I usually feel nauseous in the morning and have no desire to even prepare food let alone eat it.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.

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So, everyone, I'm curious, do you think that Explorer fits you?  Aren't there aspects of the other types that also fit you?

Personally I feel I fit the Hunter profile better.  I'll have to explain why later, though.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I don't feel like an explorer either.  And I'm having trouble finding beneficial foods to eat that are quick.  For fruits, it seems that grapefruit and apple are about all I can be sure to find at the grocery.  I'm happy to be able to eat chicken again (though not a bene.)  So, my attitude is not in the right place yet.

Oh....well I did quit coffee - this is my fifth day without, so that may explain part of my attitude.   I got a bit of withdrawal headache the third day, but it wasn't too bad.  I didn't realize what an appetite suppressant the coffee was.  I'm really getting hungry with the green tea.  But, I'm staying fairly explorer compliant. Must admit I did eat half a Unibar this morning on the way to pilates.  I was HUNGRY!   And to think two weeks ago, a Unibar had beneficial nuts and fruits in it!  Go figure.  


OUCH!!   My dogma was just run over by my karma!
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Quoted from SquarePeg
Almonds and Almond butter are both avoids.  I doubt that almond milk is neutral just because it wasn't listed.  I'm assuming it was an oversight that it wasn't listed.
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They are only black dot avoids !!! - meaning you get them back after 3-6 months in moderate amounts.

Linda It does take time... I still have eggs some days... and alsoa bit of milk/yoghurt since my body felt it was more than enough that I have cut out coffee ( and chocolate,
Next week Ill cut out my black tea in the morning....

I was so hungry last evening that I had to eat a extra snack around 9 in the evening ( dry cranberries and macadamia ).- I did notice that my day was not very high in protein .


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I guess I just feel that my whole world is turned around.  I've been eating Explorer avoids and black dots for seven years!  What a habit to break.  I'm trying to get my head around the fact that I'm probably one of the few folks BTD didn't totally work for, being as I still have cholesterol and blood pressure issues.  And I really do want to lose those last 10 pounds!


OUCH!!   My dogma was just run over by my karma!
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im an explorer.............just picked up my book today...
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Quoted from SquarePeg
So, everyone, I'm curious, do you think that Explorer fits you?  Aren't there aspects of the other types that also fit you?


I feel like it fits me very well, right down to the "I'll do it my way" quote. Just ask my mom, I used to drive her nuts always having to do things my way   And accident-prone? Wish I could say that one didn't fit   and the list goes on. I was pretty sure after reading about my three possibilities that I would be an Explorer, but did the measurements to be sure.

The new eating plan also seems to be working better for me. I was only on the BTD for 5 months, but had not noticed much in the way of health improvements and no weight loss at all, but I managed to gain about 8lbs.  

After just a week of eating exclusivly Explorer "Super Foods" I have energy without the aid of coffee and have lost 4lbs.

Like Linda, I was a little surprised to see how many things in my daily diet that had been "A" beneficals are now black dot or outright avoids.   I guess that could explain why I wasn't seeing the results I was looking for.




Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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I am always hungry too.  Cheese was my quick hunger quencher.  At least I still have my rice cakes for nibbling.  I lost 1 pound without trying.

Theres a book called They Moved my Cheese or something like that.  I wish I was a Nomad, but I am adjusting to being an Explorer.  


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
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Revised from Arlene B- NonSec to RedLilac on 3/31/06
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Wow. Feeling kinda isolated here. Terminally unique? I only see 3 type A Explorers here. There was a small group of Type A nonsecretors before. Are we all related (joke)?


It is so pleasant to explore nature & oneself at the same time, doing violence neither to her nor to one's own spirit, but bringing both into balance in gentle, mutual interaction.

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Wow. Feeling kinda isolated here. Terminally unique? I only see 3 type A Explorers here. There was a small group of Type A nonsecretors before. Are we all related (joke)?


Hi Zola! I seem to be an Explorer too. I say 'seem' because my upper and lower leg measurements are so close that if I'm off by 1/2" I'm a Teacher. I wish I was near the D'Adamo clinic to be measured properly so I'd know 100% for sure, but based on my medical history Dr. Colicci told me to try the Explorer diet for a few weeks to see if my health improves.

The Explorer does fit me. I strength test higher for it than Teacher so far - I still need to do the PROP test. I'm not accident prone but I do get lost rather easily. I mix up left and right frequently maybe partly because I'm somewhat ambidextrous?

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Are there any other A, Rh neg, non secreting Explorers out there?


Hi, I am a fellow A, Rh neg, nonnie.  I am wondering, how do you do  with coffee/caffeine?  Do you have a strong reaction?  Does it keep you up all night?

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My youngest (20yr old) is A - and an Explorer. My Oldest I am almost positive he is an A measures out as an explorer but I do not know neg or pos DH refuses to be an Explorer  and he MUST be an A or AB since those are his kids  
I will not waste money checking those 2 because they don;t care. I put the food out they eat what they want
(Bagels whole grain cereal Milk and such)Don't make me go there with them. I try.


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I'm always odd one out!
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I think there seem to be lots of As around ...
Im missing more Bs - Red Lilac and I seem to be the only Bs that went into the Explorer Clan  


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Wow. Feeling kinda isolated here. Terminally unique? I only see 3 type A Explorers here. -snip-
If it makes you feel better, my wife is Type A Explorer.

Just curious, are you a "medical enigma"?



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Great to hear from you all!

As for coffee - I know better than to drink it by itself - it bottoms out my blood sugar and makes me ravenously hungry. If I drink it,it's usually half a cup. I do this sometimes if I am at work and need to watch out for my safety and be alert.

I've always been able to fall asleep quite easily so that isn't a problem if I have caffeine.

As for the medical enigma - yes I am! From the time I was 15 I've had irregular periods. All the gynecologists and endocrinologists did was put me on birth control pills. I stopped taking them because of the horrible headaches.

I tried eating only stir fry, walking 8 miles a day, drinking bottled water and drinking lots of burdock root tea last summer and had a period.

After using the supplements recommended in the book for Explorers I feel much more energized. Guess I've got a sluggish liver.

I was born jaundiced and then had a systemic infection that they gave me IV's in the head for (babies have few veins large enough except on the head).

Now I see that we are poor acetylators (let drugs and things hang out in our bodies too long.)

Recently I had a blood panel that showed high liver enzymes. This looks like a pattern after reviewing past blood tests.

Have any of you Explorers had bad reactions to Tylenol (Acetaminophen)?


It is so pleasant to explore nature & oneself at the same time, doing violence neither to her nor to one's own spirit, but bringing both into balance in gentle, mutual interaction.

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Greetings,
I don't mind too much all that soy business going as it was such a struggle to digest anyways. I just couldn't think anything else to eat so had lots of it. Maybe lamb gets easier to digest when all those avoids get avoided Still early days here as I just got the book - was dirt cheap but had to wait. worth every penny anyways. My partner's a GT5(?) Warrior... Did I got it right that you have to pay to get access to the official GTD forum?


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Did I got it right that you have to pay to get access to the official GTD forum?


Yest, but as book purchaser you can try the site out for a week free. The URL for the free week is in the back of the book (right after the index).



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Hi,
I'am gonna join y'all over here and explore the exploerer diet.
There's a chance i might be teacher though, I gave up on the fingers and figured they where close enough for a tie.
  So for now you get Another Type A in the clan


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After much haggling over measurements, it looks like I am an Explorer. When I thought I might be a warrior I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach about it (felt downright cranky!) So I listened to my body!!!!! (and remeasured it)and here I am.

Have to change all my staples.Had oatbran, blueberries, flax and soy milk most mornings. There go my baked beans for when I can't think of something to make. Steelhead trout (that makes me feel so good and less achey, immediately after consuming), salmon, halibut, tomatoes, spinach & feta cheese salad are all out for now. Did rush out and buy cream cheese and swiss cheese and had some yesterday. Was good. Bought some beef soup bones and cooked them, couldn't stomach the smell so froze the stock for my "O" hubby.

Its been a whole 2 days and I am not sure how its gonna go. I will try!


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Hello! I dn't have the book yet and am trying to figure out what I am. I am an A1+ secretor. Can we be Explorers? My legs are longer than torso, indx is longer than ring on both hands, and upper leg is lnger than lower. Don't have inkpad yet so don't know about fingerprints yet...maybe y'all can tell me SOMETHING. I think someone said id I am an A+ secretor, I can only be a Warrior or a Techer.
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famlovpc, Using the advanced chart on page 294 of the GT book you are a Warrior (legs longer then torso, upper leg longer the lower, index fingers longer on both hands, A+ secretor). All you really need is your measurements, blood type and in some cases you secretor status. The fingerprints ect, are interesting but won't change your GT.

A few things it says about the Warrior:

Legs usually longer the torso
Long headed
Soft oval jaw
Slender in youth, tends to be pearshaped or barrel chested with age
Often has one or two arch-type fingerprints
Blood type A or AB both secretor and non
Non-taster or supertaster
Will pursue a mental challenge inexorably until it is mastered

Only rh- A's can be Explorers.



Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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Heidi, Thanks! there has been a lot of talk with Warriors that the lower leg longer than upper means Warrior, but I see here you quoted from book. Thanks! Would you give me some facts about Teachers? Also, some said ring finger longer than index means Warrior-but I take it here, this is from the book. Thanks!
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I'm glad I found this thread!  I think I'm an explorer by the description and RH- status.  I don't have the book yet (soon!).

I noticed that lentils seem to be a beneficial for explorers.

Out of the blue, I started making a lentil salad (with carrots, broccoli, onions, etc.) and have been eating it quite regularly since then and I have to say my complexion is quite good . . . I look quite tanned.

Funny how I just started to eat them and then read how good they are for explorers.

Will have to wait a bit before I can confirm my status, but it sounds like there are foods I miss so much, that I can start to enjoy.

How does this affect my eating if I'm following the arthritis food list?  Will there be a GT book for that too (I'm thinking yes)?


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Here are some Teacher facts and measurement combinations.

Torso longer then legs, Upper leg longer then lower, and either index or ring fingers longer or ring on one hand index on the other. A+ and both secretors and non.

Torso longer then legs, lower leg longer then upper and ring fingers longer on both hands, A+ secretor or non-secretor.

Legs longer then torso, upper leg longer then lower, index on one hand and ring on other longer, A+ secretor or non-secretor.

Teacher typical features:

Sinewy
Torso longer then legs
Generally moderate to short stature
High number of whorl fingerprints
Natural exuberance and calm, steady way of looking at the world
Often blood type A sometimes AB
Secretor
Taster or super-taster
Tend toward excess bacterial overgrowth









Rh-, ISFP, Super Taster, Non-Secretor 52% SWAMI-XP'd Explorer.

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Hi, Heidi, Thanks. Everyone here is wonderful. Well, the 3rd description fits me EXCEPT-both index fingers are longer than rings. So-guess that makes me a Warrior...?.....not a Teacher, becuase they're both the same.
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Heidi, on page 7 of "warrior..Whew!"I put my picture up there for WArriors to check me out one. Janet said,"Anothe Warrior Woman!"
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Hey everyone! First day on GTD as an explorer, and saying hello.

I signed up for the free GTD website trial. I tried the broccoli, grapefruit, and mozzarella salad recipe for lunch. It was actually pretty awesome.

I'm very curious what you're all eating for breakfast/lunch/dinner/snacks-- particularly breakfast and quick snacks. The snacks that are offered on the diet plan on the website aren't that appetizing to me.  I could do turkey at every meal, but aren't we limited to a certain amount of servings per week? Amy's Organic has a nice lentil soup that I believe is legal.

Also, how is the quinoa? I'm used to having couscous cooked in chicken broth with veggies.

I'm all over the place lol. Bear with me---it's day one. Just wanted to connect.

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Quoted from PrincessRenee
Hey everyone! First day on GTD as an explorer, and saying hello.

I signed up for the free GTD website trial. I tried the broccoli, grapefruit, and mozzarella salad recipe for lunch. It was actually pretty awesome.

I'm very curious what you're all eating for breakfast/lunch/dinner/snacks-- particularly breakfast and quick snacks. The snacks that are offered on the diet plan on the website aren't that appetizing to me.  I could do turkey at every meal, but aren't we limited to a certain amount of servings per week? Amy's Organic has a nice lentil soup that I believe is legal.

Also, how is the quinoa? I'm used to having couscous cooked in chicken broth with veggies.

I'm all over the place lol. Bear with me---it's day one. Just wanted to connect.



Quinoa is awesome - esp if you like cous cous, I have mine for breakfast with ricotta, apples, macadamias and maple syrup. But is also goes great with a lentil and pea curry  
  and welcome!

I am finding that it is not long and i am hungry again tho with this breakfast, which would be fine on weekends but during the week at work I need something that will last at least 4-5 hrs..


And Henriette, Hallo, Don't get too homesick for the B-hive!

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honeybee,
pls add your GT in your signature or anywhere visible...
easier to follow the line of thought that way. thanks!


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I could do turkey at every meal, but aren't we limited to a certain amount of servings per week?

Between one and three poultry servings each week.

Serving size is 4 to 6 ounces.


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Quinoa is awesome - esp if you like cous cous, I have mine for breakfast with ricotta, apples, macadamias and maple syrup. But is also goes great with a lentil and pea curry  
  and welcome!

I am finding that it is not long and i am hungry again tho with this breakfast, which would be fine on weekends but during the week at work I need something that will last at least 4-5 hrs..


And Henriette, Hallo, Don't get too homesick for the B-hive!




Breakfast ismy most difficult meal as well...
Today I had speltbread with mozzarella cheese, 1 apple and rosehip tea. not bad... but I miss my yoghurt and eggs....

Yesterday I had cold rice - that I heated with homemade almond milk and had with ghee and honey and dry cranbeeries.
Not bad... but too much sugar and too little protein....
I wont eat meat and fish in the morning- since I want to share that with my O
( unknown GT_ she is not finished growing... so no reason to freak her out ... yet )



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Looks like almost half of the population of Europe are poor acetylators according to some academic work anyway. Here's the address to a PDF-file, you'll need to have an application to view it.


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Tried quinoa for the first time last night with roasted chicken. It was with curry spices onions and peas.  Good explorer recipe.  Hubby hated it.  I thought it was edible.  Guess we'll try a millet recipe next time.


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Quinoa tastes like corncobs(on the outside after eating the corn kernels-does that make sense?)to me - acceptable but not tasty. However you can mix it into other things well. So if you are making a soup or some big mix of stuff, you can put it in!
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Thanks everyone for the quinoa ideas. It sounds very similar to couscous and I may try it tonight. Is chicken broth legal?

I survived day 1, though I skipped breakfast and one snack. Dinner and lunch seem very workable. Dinner last night was pretty good -- Steamed Cod, wild rice, and bean greens vinaigrette.

Still struggling with snacks and breakfast though. I like the idea of turkey bacon or turkey sausage and grapefruit, but can't have that everyday due to turkey serving limitations per week. Tried a rice cake with ricotta and raspberries for a snack. Blah.

Other than that, I feel pretty good. I do miss my coffee terribly. I hope I can remain complaint .
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Hi everyone,

Be sure to rinse quinoa really well, several times ideally, before cooking to remove the bitter coating on the outside. It can really make a difference. Use a fine mesh strainer.

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Hi everyone,

Be sure to rinse quinoa really well, several times ideally, before cooking to remove the bitter coating on the outside. It can really make a difference. Use a fine mesh strainer.



I was just going to post this also. Rinsing is very important. Or it will be very bitter.


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Tried quinoa for the first time last night with roasted chicken. It was with curry spices onions and peas.  Good explorer recipe.  Hubby hated it.  I thought it was edible.  Guess we'll try a millet recipe next time.


How did you feel after eating the chicken?  Chicken was such a major avoid for us Bs.  I havent eaten it in over 25 years.  I traced my debilitating cramps to it.  My son eats it.


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This is the fourth time I've eaten chicken since switching to GTD.    Last night was the first time that I actually enjoyed eating it.  I'm eating very small portions right now.  It has been eight years since quitting chicken with BTD.  So, I'm easing into it.  Makes hubby happy to have another protein to fix form me occasionally. I definitely have to ease into it.  It won't be a staple, that's for sure.  

I'm frustrated with the fish list.  The only bennies really available to me are cod, snails and maybe an occasional whitefish or sturgeon.  Very pricey.  I haven't heard of most of the beneficial fishes.  So, what to substitute?  I've been eating more turkey than prescribed at this point.


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Hey Explorers,

I got my book today. I thought I was going to be a hunter (natural ectomorph but possibly due to some malnourishment) so I was very surprised to see the Intermediate calculator list me as either a gatherer or explorer.

The facts:
My torso is longer that my legs.
My upper leg is longer than the lower.
My ring fingers 'appear' to be significantly longer but several measurements later it turned out that the ring finger on my right hand is longer and the index finger on the left is actually slightly longer or at least a tie.

-My feet are slightly asymetrical in shape.
-I am extremely creative.
-Killer waist.
-Recurrent anemia.
-Look young for my age.
-Tried gravol once and it made me barf instead of getting better. I hope I never need general anaesthetic.
-Hate most perfumes and even more so most colognes.
-No coffee in the am nevermind the pm (prefer to be tired than strung-out).
-adult acne (just one blemish before age 21). I think my skin needs to detoxify and I hope this new direction will help.

I was initially disappointed to find out that duck is an avoid, as well as nectarines, blueberries, mangoes, bananas and rainbow trout (former type O neutrals) except occasionally. The list of fish is strange but I generally eat cod anyway. I also do not know my secretor status yet, but if I am a non-secretor that would explain some of my other intuitions that originally led me to think that I was a hunter, such as gluten intolerance (white lines, and plus I look pregnant if I eat wheat).

I am happy now, and it makes a lot of sense. I was already making bone marrow soup all winter- way better than that dumb bouillon stuff. Plus, I can still have Kale which is my body's favorite food. Quinoa, grapefruits, pomegranates, brocoli, lamb,red meat, chicken, onions, brown rice, pinto beans, lemons, lots of good stuff for us.  

Anyway, I don't want to write too much because there will be other awesome explorers who have other stuff to say, so in parting I will just add: if anyone thinks I did my calculations wrong please let me know.
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According to page 291, with 'mixed' finger lengths, since you are a woman, you would have to be O- AND a non-secretor to be an explorer. If you are O+ or O- secretor, you would be a gatherer. Take a look.
What the book didn't make crystal clear, or I read it too fast,[which was cleared up on this board], is that no matter what other external characteristics you may have(& I have from all 3 of the O ones), like fingerprints, tastes, etc., the torso/leg, leg length parts, & the fingers, along with BT info are the official determinants of your GT. If it were the 'strength tests,' I'd be a nomad which is smpossible for an O!! I'm hovering between hunter & gatherer because I haven't gotten anyone to measure my torso/leg. I was guessing legs to be very slightly longer, but wnat to be absolutely sure.
At this point, I'd rather be a hunter & see I have a few more external traits, but we will see!!!!!!
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Princess Renee:
Don't worry about portion sizes. Just learn the foods & enjoy them. Then deal with portions later.
I sure don't do portions (Os are more of a gourmand, anyway!).
Welcome to this site. You will love it & we are usually very friendly.
This is definitely the best message board in the internet as far as I know!!!!
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I'm pretty sure that I'm a non-secretor. Plus it is really impossible that I could be a gatherer- I'm not mellow at all and I have zero padding. It was very hard to measure the fingers properly and I think the left ring finger might be longer too.
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I'm frustrated with the fish list.  The only bennies really available to me are cod, snails and maybe an occasional whitefish or sturgeon.  Very pricey.  I haven't heard of most of the beneficial fishes.  So, what to substitute?  I've been eating more turkey than prescribed at this point.
Catfish is a cheap Explorer superfood fish.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Personally I feel I fit the Hunter profile better.  I'll have to explain why later, though.
Well, it's later.  It was Dr. D's description of the hunter "Matt" that got me thinking I might be a hunter.  All my life I've had anxiety.  I never mentioned it to anyone -- I didn't realize it wasn't normal.  I'd "self-medicate" with diet by engorging myself on sweets as a child, and I added coffee when I became an adult.  Now I'm trying to undo that damage to my adrenals, and I have to somehow find a way to cope again with this anxiety.

Our 10yo daughter may be following the same path as me.  I see her picking at her fingers and biting her chapped lips like I do.  She has these overwhelming sugar cravings that I had.  I don't know her blood type, but she measures up as an Explorer or Gatherer or Teacher.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Princess Renee:
Don't worry about portion sizes. Just learn the foods & enjoy them. Then deal with portions later.
I sure don't do portions (Os are more of a gourmand, anyway!).
Welcome to this site. You will love it & we are usually very friendly.
This is definitely the best message board in the internet as far as I know!!!!
Sea Salt & Light,
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Thanks so much Mrs. T.

I have decided that I won't stress over portion restrictions as you have suggested. For now.  I actually feel pretty great so far so I'll continue with what I'm doing. Thanks for the sweet welcome!
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I am happy now, and it makes a lot of sense. I was already making bone marrow soup all winter- way better than that dumb bouillon stuff.



I saw Soup bones and Marrow on the list as a beneficial. Could someone please explain to me what this is? Is this beef soup bones like you would use if making beef stew? I guess I'm trying understand how bones are a beneficial? Recipes? Instruction? Hope this isn't a weird question lol
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http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipes.htm
lots of recipes for you!

http://www.dadamo.com/search.htm
type in anything you need to know......loads of info


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
According to page 291, with 'mixed' finger lengths, since you are a woman, you would have to be O- AND a non-secretor to be an explorer. If you are O+ or O- secretor, you would be a gatherer. Take a look.
  


Hi Mrs. T O+,

I thought about it all day while I was at work and I decided to try the Gatherer diet for a while, since I won't be getting my secretor test for a bit and I am pretty sure that I am O+ from when I donated blood. It's possible that my acne is caused by an estrogen imbalance and I already know that my excema gets worse if I eat soy or cane sugar. Also, I could measure my fingers all day and get different answers so I decided not to second guess myself. Thanks for your suggestion.

Princess Renee,
I get beef or bison bones (you can use chicken too) from my local farmer's market. Your local butcher at the super market will have them too but it's nice if you can find organic. You can get marrow bones, which are quite larger or soup bones which still have meat on them. I usually don't salvage the meat anyway so I prefer marrow bones.
Put the bones in a large pot and boil it for a long long time. I usually get the water boiling on medium or sometimes up to high if I feel like it needs it, then reduce the heat down to just above simmer and put the lid on. I leave it at a temperature that is just below how hot it would be if it was shaking the lid (so it won't be noisy), since I like to leave it to boil overnight. You can add whatever you like after you strain it.It's probably a fab source of calcium , however the cerealsmiths who publish lists of calcium sources tend to say the calcium content is negligible. I think it must be better than that, especially if you leave it for at least a few hours but I still take calcium pills to be sure.  

Good luck!
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Oh yeah, if you want that broth to thicken up you can take the lid off near the end and boil some of the water out. You can also add a bit of brown rice flour AFTER you strain it and you will have a nice stew base. I also like to add a fresh hot pepper while it's still boiling and a bay leaf, but watch out because peppers can vary in heat and sometimes it gets really spicy if you add more than one or cut it open. Sea salt is good too.
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I love crock pots for that purpose....set on low, add spices, sleep it off....next morning you have the best bone broth!


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Squarepeg,
In BC , Canada we have basa, which is cheap. I am told it is catfish. I don't know where it is from ( maybe Vietnam). Has anyone seen local Catfish or do we even have it. I know there are a lot of varieties of catfish.


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Squarepeg,
In BC , Canada we have basa, which is cheap. I am told it is catfish. I don't know where it is from ( maybe Vietnam).
According to Wikipedia the use of basa moniker links it directly with Vietnam, because it is apparently illegal to sell such as catfish where local catfish exist. Not all basa is really catfish but can also be a kind of shark. There was also story a few years ago about those Vietnamese catfish farmers having to sell their fish in rather unfair terms. Even we have vietnamese fish available here in Finland and they are known by their real name Pangasia - haven't tried yet.



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Thanks, Thimbleberry, for your broth recipe. I will have to try it. I'm thinking of experimenting with a beef and wild rice soup, so this helps. The brown rice flour as a thickener is a great idea!
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Ok, so here are the ingredients for one of my favorite vegetable soups and I need to make substitutions for the avoids.

3 Tbsp. canola oil
1 large yellow onion, finely chopped
handful fresh parsley, finely chopped
1/2 cup finely chopped celery
1 tsp. dried thyme
1 tsp. dried oregano
1/2 tsp. dried basil
1/2 tsp ground black pepper
2 young turnips (less than 3 " diameter)
2 med. red-skin potatoes, cut in 1 " cubes
2 large carrots, split in half lengthwise and cut in 1' pieces
5 cups beef or vegetable broth
4 medium fresh tomatoes, peeled and chopped, with juice
1 8-oz.(small) can tomato sauce
salt to taste (I use 1 tsp. When using bouillon cubes)
1Tbsp.sugar
3/4 cup frozen cut sweet corn
1 cup kale, finely shredded

I'm subbing olive oil for canola oil, omitting the sugar but would love to find substitutes for the corn and the tomatoes. Suggestions are appreciated  
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What about peas or a bean like cannellini to replace the corn? You would also have to omit the potato....


I would try this to replace the tomato:

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?452

I've been using this sauce in soups and stews with good results. It's also great on rice pasta. (If anyone is looking for a good rice pasta Tinkyada is the best I have found. Great taste and texture.)



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I got addicted to using fresh savory with chicken last summer, and dried savory is really good in chicken or lamb broth.

Sometimes, ok often, I make a whole chicken, then make gravy with a TBL spoon or so of rice flour with the stuff left in the pan (I usually add about a cm of water before placing the roasting pan in the oven). The rice flour is WAY better than cornstarch.

Anyway, some will be eaten right away but then I'll usually boil the bones all night and add the rest of the meat (already cut up) to the carefully drained broth (into a second pot)when I get up in the morning PLUS add the rest of the gravy and it makes a super flavourful stew. Usually it won't need any additional rice flour to be added because the gravy thickens it up. If you are fat-o-phobic you can always skim some oil off the finished product, to your liking. Though usually if you stirred the gravy enough to keep it from separating it won't break up in the broth either.

I like your idea to use turnips- yum. If you know you're going to be in a hurry in the morning you can have all the veggies pre-cut too and just dump them in when you have the broth ready.
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If I'm not in the mood for soup, any kind of bone broth works really well for making risotto (sub for water) with brown basmati or quinoa. Calcium boost!
For all you A's who might not be accustomed to eating chicken, you could use turkey too, my roaster just isn't big enough.
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I reduce my beef/veal/lamb broth - and freeze it in small icecubes
That way it is easy to add to a soup / risotto or gravy
It looks fun when it cools down- small rubbery cubes


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What about peas or a bean like cannellini to replace the corn? You would also have to omit the potato....


I thought the avoid was "potato, white with skin". Can we eat potatoes, white without skin?   I'm reaching. lol
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I'm loving the broth/stew ideas. I guess I'm taking my crock pot out of storage and I'm on my way to Wild Oats for brown rice flour.
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I thought the avoid was "potato, white with skin". Can we eat potatoes, white without skin?   I'm reaching. lol



I wish   There has been a lot of talk about potatoes on the GTD site and is pretty clear that potatoes are out. Red skinned, yellow fleshed, even the blue variety. With or without skin they are still off limits for everyone but the Nomads (black dot for them). Which makes sence as both the B's and AB's have potatoes as neutrals on the BTD and Nomads are B's or AB's.








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Here is a concoction I came up with that might interest Explorers that are craving something sweet and easy.

Grind 1/2c. pecans into a fine meal. (I use a coffee grinder)
Place in a small bowl and add 1Tbs. honey and 2Tbs. carob powder. Mix well and form into small balls about the size of an inshell hazelnut. Refridgerate until firm and enjoy. (makes 12)

I have been missing my dark chocolate and these have a somewhat similar flavor.

I've also been working on cookies, and almost have my recipe ready to post.  



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Heidi, those honey-carob-pecan balls sound good really good! Plus that's probably now the only use for my coffee grinder since coffee is off limits . Will try! Please post the cookie recipe soon!
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Heidi,

That's such a good idea. I am not eating sweets now, because I used to be too addicted to sugar, and I am not really capable of moderation so I decided to avoid them completely.
Have you tried maple syrup? It's so nice, but only the pure stuff. The darker the colour, the more minerals and flavour (grade C). Grade B is lighter and grade A is lighter still. Grade C is my favorite, and it tends to be less expensive. I noticed it's a super food for Explorers (LUUUCKY)  
ps. maybe I can send you some from Canada- too bad the shipping costs would be insane.
  
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Heidi, Looking forward to the cookie recipe, too!

I use my coffee grinder to grind flax seeds but I guess I won't be doing that for a while.

When I have a sweet craving I take a bunch of pecans (I keep them in the freezer so they are very cold). I pour on some fancy molasses which I keep at room temperature. Really good! Haven't tried it with honey or maple syrup but there is something about molasses......

I was on the Explorer diet for about 5 days. I was grumpy and hungry. I thought I would try it for 3 months but decided I just couldn't do it. SO I am back to the BTD A nonsec
(Yeah molasses,oatbran,blueberries and soy milk)

I am going to incorporate some of the  Explorer superfoods and drop some of the Explorer avoids over a longer period of time. A local health food store is going to order some dried elderberries for me! After a couple of days of oatbran I feel much more centered.


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Plus that's probably now the only use for my coffee grinder since coffee is off limits .
There are decaff organic whole beans available at least where I live. Decaffeined with some safe process i believe.


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Here is the cookie I came up with. I think they came out pretty good without the normal cookie ingredients like eggs, sugar and vanilla. A lot like shortbread cookies.  

Macadamia Shortbread Cookies

1/4c. Ghee @ room temp.
1/4c. Honey
1/4c. Tapioca flour
3/4c. Brown rice flour
1/2tsp. Baking powder
1/4tsp. Baking soda
1/4c. Lightly chopped macadamia nuts

Preheat over to 375deg.
Cream together the ghee and honey, add in the flours and sodas. Mix till combined. Stir in the nuts. Roll into balls and chill until firm. Place on cookie sheet about an inch or so apart and bake for 10 minutes. Cool on wire rack. (makes about 2 dozen)

Note: I used lightly salted nuts, if your are unsalted you might want to add a pinch of salt.

You can also add a little carob powder for variety.



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Here is a concoction I came up with that might interest Explorers that are craving something sweet and easy.

Grind 1/2c. pecans into a fine meal. (I use a coffee grinder)
Place in a small bowl and add 1Tbs. honey and 2Tbs. carob powder. Mix well and form into small balls about the size of an inshell hazelnut. Refridgerate until firm and enjoy. (makes 12)

I have been missing my dark chocolate and these have a somewhat similar flavor.

I've also been working on cookies, and almost have my recipe ready to post.  



Thanks for the inspiration Heidi- I chopped macadamias, pecans and dried apricots, mixed with 2 tbspn cocoa, then poured over this mixture a melted tbspn ghee and 3 of maple syrup, mixed it all up, put spoons of it on plate, put plate in fridge to set, and they are really really yum. they look like a rough chopped mess though, yours sound fine and round!
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wish i could source some carob powder too..
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Mine is from Bob's Red Mill. Nothing but toasted carob.



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Thank you that sounds so YUMMY
will try some of this in the weekend.


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Hi Shari, O explorer here - by my own measurement Im hunter, but Dr D says Im explorer, so Im taking that.   Lets compare notes



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by my own measurement Im hunter, but Dr D says Im explorer, so Im taking that.   Lets compare notes



Interesting. I see no possibility for an O+ secretor male Explorer in the book. Maybe there are a few combos that we don't know about?




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I'm still watching this thread, Shari!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Excellent!     I was starting to feel all alone here    I was wondering if there were any differences by blood type and possibly secretor status, especially among us explorers  .

These questions are especially to the O explorers that I was looking for, but they are open to everyone.  How long have you been on the explorer GTD (and BTD before that?)  And how are you finding it?

I have been on GTD fully for a month now (partially for a month before that), 5+ years BTD now, the last 3 and a half as a fully compliant O non-secretor and the last 3 fully on the O non-sectetor diet for anti-inflammation.  

On GTD so far I haven't been able to find all of the diamond foods on each explorer food list but it doesn't seem to matter much because I'm still finding lots of good eating and variety with the diamonds I can find.  The most I've had of any neutral food is chicken, mostly because I already had a lot in my freezer already.

I've had a lot of problems with arm pain so far on GTD (I have tennis elbow and wrist tendonitis).  It's happening whenever I eat the foods that were no-nos on the anti-inflammation diet, especially rice and mozza.  I went ahead anyway because I'm stubborn.  The reactions seems to finally be lessening this week.  I went through a large detox reaction but that seems to be lessening now too.  Maybe the inflammation pain was a part of the detox.

I'm kind of excited to finally know for sure that I'm an explorer.  I've always been a bit of an oddball.  I usually go my own way.  I've grown to accept it over the years, to accept myself as I am.  To find out now that explorers are supposed to be a little different...  Well, it feels like it validates who I am.  I didn't really need it anymore but it still feels good.  


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you have gone through an interesting adjustment period!
great job!


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Hi Shari, O explorer here - by my own measurement Im hunter, but Dr D says Im explorer, so Im taking that.   Lets compare notes



You say Dr D told you himself?  You've been to him?  What was that like?

I was on my own with the book and test kit.  There are no BTD experts in Saskatchewan, the last I checked.  Anyway, I tested as either a hunter or an explorer because I didn't know my secretor status.  I also tested strongly for both genotypes on the strength testing.  Either one would make sense for me because of all my inflammation problems, they are both reactive genotypes.  But the explorer sounded more like me and I had had a lot of succcess with the non-secretor diet.  I took a chance and ate like an explorer and took the explorer supplemnts.  I sent away for the secretor test to find out which I was.  When it came back non-secretor last Friday I was both vindicated and relieved.  Whew!



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great job confirming your secretor status!


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I'm starting to suspect that I'm a non-secretor, too.  I do better when I avoid soy.

Shari, I heard about the BTD in April, and I gradually incorporated the changes.  But I've never been 100% compliant.  Then after I tested as an Explorer, I made tiny changes in late January like cutting out soy, eating turkey instead of beef occasionally, switching from walnuts to pecans.  I seemed to lose weight, but I noticed some lethargy, which I assumed was from the turkey.

Looking back on that GTD period, I realize there were other things going on that might explain the weight loss.  We were going through anxious times, and my appetite was curbed as a result.

At this point I'm on a sort of hybrid BTD/GTD, but following BTD a bit more.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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will you be doing your secretor test?


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Lethargy was one of my detox symptoms on the explorer GTD diet.  I can certainly sympathize with how hard it is to get on the BTD diet, SquarePeg.  It is definitely more expensive than my original diet.  Which diet, GTO or BTD seems to depends on what you need from it.  

For example, my mother is a O gatherer and a 90%+ compliant BTDer for O's with allergies.  I had her do the BTD vs GTD quiz and her answers came up BTD.  She actually got so skinny just cutting out the wheat to help with her sinus symptoms that she doesn't need to lose any more weight now.  I wish I could say the same   sigh, but I guess we are two different genotypes, and definitely two different people.

I, myself definitely get sick from eating soy: sinus congestion and stomach upset.  There was an obvious difference for me when I switched from BTD secretor to BTD non-secretor.  All my sinus congestion went away (most of it went away from quitting wheat but there was still some and it was aggravating me) unless I cheated and ate some cheese or something.  I'm not sure that that such an eating test would work with GTD because there is so much detoxing going on with that diet, especially for explorers.  At first I had a lot of the old symptoms: sinus congestion, sore throat, and stomach problems as well as some new ones: serious lethargy and some small skin erruptions (tiny red dots on the back of my hands and forearms).  Sorry if this it TMI everyone  .  I'm just trying to be helpful  .



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Thanks, Shari.  It's not TMI, at all!

I get stomach upset from soy, too, and probably sinus congestion, too.  But I've had sinus trouble for so long, I'm too accustomed to it to notice how it relates to food.

Lola, I'd like to do the secretor test.  But I will wait until the money situation improves.  (We're paying about $450 per month for heating oil these days.)  I'd like to get a kit for my Type A wife, too.  She has some undiagnosed auto-immune disorder and residual neuropathic issues from myelitis.

And our 10yo daughter still hasn't even been typed.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Heidi,

I am not really capable of moderation so I decided to avoid them completely.


I'm not positive I'm an explorer yet but I'm an all or nothing person for sure! Not just with sugar.  Is that an Explorer trait?

Thimbleberry, Do you live near Montreal by any chance? I'm in Vermont, another pure Maple Syrup area.
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I'm not positive I'm an explorer yet but I'm an all or nothing person for sure! Not just with sugar.  Is that an Explorer trait?


Maybe: I'm the only explorer in my family and the one who thinks that way. If a food is an avoid, I avoid it completely, no compromise.  That's just they way I'm wired.

GTD is different from BTD that way: emphasizing the beneficials.  At least there are a lot of them to chose from!    Even if I or my health food store people haven't heard of a lot of them.  I got used to a limited variety on BTD.  Expanding my horizons is going to be interesting, I think.

BTW, I like the idea of the GTD black dot foods but that's a long way off for me, so I don't think about them much anymore.  I have a lot of weight to lose first before I consider myself done with the first stage of the diet.


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Shari,

Some ideas of things that may be effecting your health which you might not have thought of:
* Do you have any amalgam filings in the teeth, or any metal at all in the mouth?    Im also wary of any piercings.
* Any other foreign bodies in your body such as surgically planted plates.
* Do you get minimum 30 to 60 mins of sunshine per day outdoors, preferably during the brightest part of the day should be no glass (glasses or window) between your eyes and the sun.    I think this is main rythm regulator of your body, together with meal times.


My story as follows, I will start from the beginning to make it coherent.    Its not easy to tell and I hope its useful to someone.

I had about 12 amalgam fillings placed between the age of 6 and 12.    By age 12, I was obese.    I had first major disc prolapse in my back at age 12.     The next 10 years I lost weight to normal level, but my back was a disater: annual 'incident' from disc prolapse, to sciatica, strained this and that.    
Age 22 I started high carb diet, and high dairy, and got on the corporate treadmill and continued  for 14 years.
At age 36 I think I was standard disaster.    Fatigued, diahorea perhaps half the time, very foggy brain, not a particularly nice temprament, unpredictable mood, perhaps something close to depression, and stressed.    I was living in a developing country at that time and at age 35 and 36 received 'shock' doses of antibiotics, which I think finished off what was left of my gut and intestinal tract.    A standard disaster.  
But this may be more interesting.    At 36, following the advice of a 'dietician', I took yeast out of my diet - as I had appearance of candida.    My health declined more.    (There is research suggesting that yeast overgrowth is an auto response to amalgam/mercury the excess yeast binds with the mercury and carrys it out of the body.   I cant find the papers now, but can look if of interest to anyone)    That I was exposed to metal toxicity the next 6 months is beyond doubt: my teeth were permanently stained, I had unexplained sweating, my vision started to go funny, I hadspontaneous uncontrolable vomit/spitting of mucus, and I started to loose my balance.    
I had my amalgam fillings removed and replaced over 2 days in Oct 2006.    I immediately felt warmer better circulation, and that a lot of tension had gone from my body my back was more flexible and I was more supple.    But I also felt like I had been very badly beaten up and the 1st recovery phase took about 5 days for the ache to go away.     Amalgam literature states that the month following replacement its common to have lots of emotional problems and I had a rocky time.

Around this time I came across BTD, and a BTD practitioner in Europe suspected I was a non-scecretor.    We discussed this error after I had been to see Dr D two months later I am secretor - and we suspected the mistaken appearance was caused by candida overgrowth or something else from amalgam effect.    Does this explain Heidi point?
I saw Dr D. in Dec 2006 and then started getting my mind around a high protein diet.    5 months later I ran half-marathon on a windy spring day in a reasonable time.     This was quite amazing and I couldnt quite believe it at the time: I had never been able to move as easily without allergy and breathing clearly.    I started reading Dr. John Sarno at this point to, and following the exercises described in his book 'The Divided Mind'.
In the next 10-months my mind continued to clear, the diahorrea disappeared - for good it seems, I havent had even a suggestion of a back problem and am getting more flexible.     Sometime in that time, I also experinced feelings of joy and happiness.    I dont know that I was ever depressed, but this was wow!
I was fortunate that when I saw Dr. D that he had some kind words for me that gave me the small push I needed to leave the corporate world and start my own small company.    It suits me much better and I  like the lifestyle and creativity.    Confidence has come back in floods.    

I gave up chocolate completely because it gives me a headache the day after.
The major changes for me since reading GTD a few months ago are recognition of the way my mind works, and not needing to 'mainstream' my oddball thinking is a big relief.    I also switched home cleaning products to natural ones and now feel quite a lot better after having finished the cleaning.   The canary in a coal mine describes me right: I suspect anyone lighting a cigarette within 50 metres is trying to kill me (I take it persoanlly) even on a windy day.    Im crazy for fresh air and dont think I can live in the centre of a major city again.    These days I sleep with a window open which mildly irritates my, at times cold, girl friend.

So everything is good but now Im trying to figure out my what is right amount of sugar as its not quite right.   Ive cut it way down   I have fruit just once or twice a day at the moment.    And I still have occasion when the wheels-fall-off and I have a bad day.   I think Ive isolated the cause is stress events: a big negotiation, or too many things to do (even though I take it easy these days).   I suspect to that my adrenal balance is still not right to having had to much back pain, and a related foot problem (Ive stopped running), required to many pain response chemicals in my life so far, and it hasnt come back into balance if it ever will.

I havent had any alcohol since having amalgam replaced 18-months ago, and looking forward to a glass of red wine when the time is right maybe later this year.


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Around this time I came across BTD, and a BTD practitioner in Europe suspected I was a non-scecretor.    We discussed this error after I had been to see Dr D two months later I am secretor - and we suspected the mistaken appearance was caused by candida overgrowth or something else from amalgam effect.    Does this explain Heidi point?
    


Maldo, I'm not sure   If you are a combo that is not in the book, is it possible that some of the others that don't feel like they fit the GT they measure for maybe not following the correct diet after all?
The only Rh+ O's who are Explorers are non-secretors. Just seems kind of odd to me. I'm not saying that you are not an Explorer especially if Dr. D says so, but just wondering how you are able to override the system. We have been told over and over that is it the measurements that matter and even if you strenght test zero for the GT you measure for, that is still what you are. Guess I'm a little confused.  




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