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Don
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Quoted from Curious
A question: Do explorers have the same foods, regardless of whether they are 0's, A's or AB's?

Yes, one food list for all Explorers.



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Don
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I am probably an explorer, but not sure yet (book is on its way).
Can someone list the really bad avoids for 0-explorers?

Why don't you take advantage of the free trial week on the GTD site? You could find out your GT and see the foods lists.



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is it true that u can only have the free trial if u have a credit card??
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Quoted from Heidi
I am happy to get yams and cottage cheese on occasion again, but sad to see the peanuts and tofu go  

For the most part this looks pretty doable. My husband and I now have a few more foods in common (like lentils) so that is helpfull too.


Peanuts and tofu??? Gone???  


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Lloyd
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Quoted from dirrty_blonde_mp
is it true that u can only have the free trial if u have a credit card??


At this time, it requires a credit card to sign up. My read is that they may have alternate methods in the future. Remember, it is a new start up. Can't do everything at once.
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Lloyd
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Quoted from Drea


Peanuts and tofu??? Gone???  


On the Explorer list. Have you found out what you are?
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Curious
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Quoted from Don
Yes, one food list for all Explorers.

Thanks Don! If all explorers (0's, A's and AB's) can eat the same foods - that indicates to me that blood-type is not that relevant for Explorers. Have I got this right?  
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Don
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Blood type is still used in the mix with other data points to determine Explorer GT.

Look at the advanced tables in the appendix of the book and you will see that for the same body and finger measurements different blood, Rh and secretor types may be Explorer or other GTs.


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Curious
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Quoted from Don
Blood type is still used in the mix with other data points to determine Explorer GT.

Look at the advanced tables in the appendix of the book and you will see that for the same body and finger measurements different blood, Rh and secretor types may be Explorer or other GTs.


Ah, ok. I can't look in the book, because I have not got it yet (should be here on 17 January), I may just have to wait.
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Henriette Bsec
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....and the Bs

I must say after sleeping on this info I still feel split on how to feel about the explorer list:
I fit very well to the physically and mentally part of the explorer- except that I am overweight... but is true than I have lots of muscle even when overweight and the description of me medical hard to diagnose as well as sensitive to chemicals, medications etc is very accurate.

Is the weird (for a B secretor) foodlist the price the explorers pays for being a all BT genotype ?
BUT
I simply find it strange that I loose so many B bennies for ever like  MILK , Brussels sprout
Cabbage, Cauliflower and egg plant -( there are LOTS MORE
Foods that I have loved  and felt energized with
- while I gain veggies that I for sure knows are not my friend: like lentils, radish, artichokes and especially Jerusalem artichokes -that makes me fart so bad that I could kill the whole village.

I think I need the book to understand this issue more...

I must say that I had thought that the foodlist was more broken down ( in BT )

and when I read the post I can see that some people just jump in this new world,
other gets frustrated,  worry , angry and leave
and other step back and wait...

well when I first read ERT I was: what !!!
it is so true.... and do I really have to give up all theese foods ?
after a few weeks I returned after digesting this new knowledge...

So I guess Ill incomperate what I like from the new lists... and keep my bell peppers and milk as long as I care for them...

a brand new world is opening...


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids

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Henriette, all natural reactions that you so aptly point out. The beauty of it is, you can pick it up wherever you want. You can stick with your BTD and still get good results. You can make individual adjustments to GTD based on your BTD preferences and still get good results. I expect the GTD to evolve, it's just impossible to anticipate which way. Either way there will still be people doing basic ER4YT.
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Henriette Bsec
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Thanks  Lloyd I think Ill just pick and choose  
Happy New Year


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids
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That's what I'm going to do!


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A Before Picture , In the Process of Becoming an After Picture
FOOD for THOUGHT, Super Beneficial 4 All Blood Types!
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Lisalea
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Quoted from Victoria
Chloe,
You won't go wrong by continuing with the BTD.  The genotype program is just another step toward refining and further strengthening the results of choosing foods that suit you as an individual.  
Feel free to continue as you are, and if you wish, you can read the Genotype book at your leisure and try some transitioning.

The BTD alone is a powerful program, so keep at it as long as you wish!


Hi Victoria ... hope u're well  
Will u really continue with BTD when u know that many beneficials have now become AVOIDS ??  
I find it radical in the sence that here I was eating a ton of lima beans, kidney beans, salmon, parmesan ... etc ...  thinking they were beneficials and now turns out they're toxic ??
Things that make u go hmmmmm

Cheers  


The older I get, the more wide-eyed I become.  
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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
....and the Bs

I must say after sleeping on this info I still feel split on how to feel about the explorer list:
I fit very well to the physically and mentally part of the explorer- except that I am overweight... but is true than I have lots of muscle even when overweight and the description of me medical hard to diagnose as well as sensitive to chemicals, medications etc is very accurate.

Is the weird (for a B secretor) foodlist the price the explorers pays for being a all BT genotype ?
BUT
I simply find it strange that I loose so many B bennies for ever like  MILK , Brussels sprout
Cabbage, Cauliflower and egg plant -( there are LOTS MORE
Foods that I have loved  and felt energized with
- while I gain veggies that I for sure knows are not my friend: like lentils, radish, artichokes and especially Jerusalem artichokes -that makes me fart so bad that I could kill the whole village.

I think I need the book to understand this issue more...

I must say that I had thought that the foodlist was more broken down ( in BT )

and when I read the post I can see that some people just jump in this new world,
other gets frustrated,  worry , angry and leave
and other step back and wait...

well when I first read ERT I was: what !!!
it is so true.... and do I really have to give up all theese foods ?
after a few weeks I returned after digesting this new knowledge...

So I guess Ill incomperate what I like from the new lists... and keep my bell peppers and milk as long as I care for them...

a brand new world is opening...




I'm with u my Dear Henriette !!!  
I'm in shock right now ...  
Cheers  


The older I get, the more wide-eyed I become.  
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Quoted from Lisalea
I find it radical in the sence that here I was eating a ton of lima beans, kidney beans, salmon, parmesan ... etc ...  thinking they were beneficials and now turns out they're toxic ??
Things that make u go hmmmmm

They are toxic for reasons that the BTD didn't consider.

There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them.



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Lisalea
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Quoted from Don

They are toxic for reasons that the BTD didn't consider.

There are good and bad aspects to most foods so it depends on the criteria that you use to determine if you should eat them.


Ok with THAT said ...it would BENEFIT us all to be moving towards Genotype ... since we're here to evolve in life in general and especially when it comes to foods and our healths ...  hence,  when we KNOW better ... it would no doubt BENEFIT us to do better ...  


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Quoted from Lisalea

Hi Victoria ... hope u're well  
Will u really continue with BTD when u know that many beneficials have now become AVOIDS ??  
Cheers  


Hi LisaLea, and Happy New Year!  
I'm going into the new GTD with an open mind.  There is a lot that I don't understand about it yet because I haven't had the time over the holidays to read all the book.  But, I do not plan to just toss the BTD.  I'm sure my transition will be gradual, paying attention to my body's reaction to the changes.

I really like Mikeo's advice.  He is suggesting that we look at which of the BTD neutrals have now become GTD beneficials, and start focusing more on those.  I will probably start there.  I don't see myself immediately starting to eat foods in large quantities that I have believed were avoids, such as chicken and coconut oil for example.  I am not saying that I will never eat them, just that I need to move gently to let my body get used to the changes.

If a person feels unwilling to transition to the GTD, I think that they should just feel good about continuing the BTD if it is working well for them.  The BTD has not suddenly become wrong.  The GTD is just another step in the maturing of understanding about human individuality.



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
of some rare and perfect tomorrow.
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Hi LisaLea, and Happy New Year!  
I'm going into the new GTD with an open mind.  There is a lot that I don't understand about it yet because I haven't had the time over the holidays to read all the book.  But, I do not plan to just toss the BTD.  I'm sure my transition will be gradual, paying attention to my body's reaction to the changes.

I really like Mikeo's advice.  He is suggesting that we look at which of the BTD neutrals have now become GTD beneficials, and start focusing more on those.  I will probably start there.  I don't see myself immediately starting to eat foods in large quantities that I have believed were avoids, such as chicken and coconut oil for example.  I am not saying that I will never eat them, just that I need to move gently to let my body get used to the changes.

If a person feels unwilling to transition to the GTD, I think that they should just feel good about continuing the BTD if it is working well for them.  The BTD has not suddenly become wrong.  The GTD is just another step in the maturing of understanding about human individuality.




Victoria u r one wonderful  AND  astute lady ... Happy New Years to u too !!  
I look so forward to sharing our journeys together with Genotype, I too will definately keep an open mind  


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When I first heard the descriptions of the 6 Genotypes, I thought Id be a Nomad.  So when I got the book and glanced at the Nomad diet, I was fine with it.  It correlated pretty closely to the B diet Im on.  But when I glanced at the chart in the back, I saw there were no B- non-secretor female nomads.  I did my measurements and found out I was an Explorer.  What????  Im a right handed caffeine addicted Ectomorphic.  Then I read the diet and was in shock.  Chicken is NOT an avoid!  All the BTD books say chicken is the absolute worse food a B can eat.  Some members of this forum have cut themselves and let the blood drip in a raw chicken and actually saw the blood agglumulate!  When I was in grad school I finally figured out what was causing my horrible stomach cramps chicken.  I stopped eating it and people laughed at me when I told them I was sensitive to chicken.  Then I was at a dinner function and another lady at my table also said she could not tolerate chicken.  I was elated to find someone else like me.  Then when I read ERFYT and read about chicken being a major avoid, I said this is the diet for me.  When I try to sell people on the BTD, those are the stories I tell.  If I was a secretor, Id be a nomad.  I sent both our saliva samples in at the same time.  Could they have made a mistake?  My son is a nomad.  Chicken is an avoid for a nomad.  I eat salmon once a week, not its an avoid for me, beneficial for my son.  I eat a hard boiled egg every morning, same story.  One of my few beneficial nuts was walnuts, now an avoid for me.  Etc Etc.  How am I going to talk up a diet that doesnt seem to fit me?


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
SWAMI Thanksgiving present 2008
Revised from Arlene B- NonSec to RedLilac on 3/31/06
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hi explorers, i suspect i may e joining u soon! I hope so!        

i looked at the calculator on GTD site, and it seems no matter what my measurements are, beng a B neg nonnie makes me xxplorer..
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Quoted from honeybee
i looked at the calculator on GTD site, and it seems no matter what my measurements are, beng a B neg nonnie makes me xxplorer..


I think there are two combinations of B- nonnie measurements that can be a Gatherer.



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I think there are two combinations of B- nonnie measurements that can be a Gatherer.


hi Don,
I found only explorer , i am Rh- which i think made it so..?
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hi Don,
I found only explorer , i am Rh- which i think made it so..?


Look again on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables 2 and 4 in the GTD book Appendix in the index fingers longer section.

Both tables specify that you would be a Gatherer if the other torso and leg measurements point you to those tables.


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Quoted from Don


Look again on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables 2 and 4 in the GTD book Appendix in the index fingers longer section.

Both tables specify that you would be a Gatherer if the other torso and leg measurements point you to those tables.


ok, thnks for your reply.
I am only using the online calulator at the moment -untl book arrives  
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