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jayneeo
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beef.....collard greens.....off the top of my head
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Remember if it isn't listed as a superfood or a toxin, it's a neutral food and can be eaten as often as you wish. So we O Gatherers can still eat beef any time we want--it's just not a healing superfood like lamb or turkey.

As for cottage cheese, oat flour etc, if you were lactose intolerant or gluten sensitive before this, you still will be. Knowing your blood type, your secretor status and your genotype will give you the chance to personalize your diet to an even greater degree than before.

I'm finding this to be my time to experiment and try new things, to see what works best for me. My Gatherer food plan will be slightly different from yours--and that's exactly as it should be.


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As for cottage cheese, oat flour etc, if you were lactose intolerant or gluten sensitive before this, you still will be. Knowing your blood type, your secretor status and your genotype will give you the chance to personalize your diet to an even greater degree than before.



So if I am a nonsecretor, are there foods on the superfood lists for gatherers I should avoid..how would this characteristic help me personalize the diet more? or does it not particularly matter
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..(now you know I'm missing my chocolate pudding.) But one day, maybe i'll figure how to make that with our foods.



??? Would whipped egg white, whipped unflavored gelatin - whipped together - later a little agave - later some cocoa powder work???  I think we experimented with this about a year ago on the forum.   Not too frequently with whipped egg whites - maybe once every 2 weeks.
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So if I am a nonsecretor, are there foods on the superfood lists for gatherers I should avoid..how would this characteristic help me personalize the diet more? or does it not particularly matter
For example, as an O secretor I am not going to touch avocado. I believe nonnies still can barely tolerate grains. And so forth...  



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Thanks for all your answers.  It was homemade cottage cheese made with 2% low fat milk.  I tried it a second time in an omelet, made the egg part spooned on one half, spread around with difficulty, put other half on and zapped in microwave for 15 seconds.  It was delicious and no effects at all.

Maybe our bodies need to adjust to these new foods were putting back into it, especially the AVOIDS. or Black Dot Avoids (later)
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Quoted from judy_clau

(now you know I'm missing my chocolate pudding.) But one day, maybe i'll figure how to make that with our foods.  Maybe rice or almond milk.  I'll go work on it.  Oh, I've got it! Cocoa powder, and glycerine in Ricotta Cheese!!  Judy



it's delicious and tastes just like pudding!
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As for oat flour, if you were gluten sensitive before this, you still will be.

FYI, oats do not contain gluten.  However, be aware of this (bolded emphasis added by me):

"Oats do not have gluten in them, but they may have gluten on them. If that sounds confusing then please let me explain.

For years oats have been mistakenly considered to contain gluten. Many people with a gluten allergy discovered that eating oats could result in the same symptoms known to be caused by eating wheat, barley or rye. However, recent research has shed some light on this problem and given everyone with a gluten allergy a reason to rejoice.

Oats do not contain gluten. However, because oats are a major agricultural product they are handled by the same mills, processing plants, and grain elevators that handle wheat, barley and rye. This results in enough contamination of the oats that they can readily trigger a gluten allergy when ingested.

The good news is that there are companies now providing non-contaminated oats. These can often be found in your local health food store or online at one of the many gluten free food retailers."

Source:  http://www.foodallergysolutions.com/food-allergy-news0204.html (scroll down to heading "Do Oats Contain Gluten?")

Isn't that interesting?  I am going to look for these gluten-free oats, and I wonder if they are labeled as such?  I have a high-quality brand of rolled oats in my desk here at work right now, Bob's Red Mill Brand "Old Fashioned Rolled Oats".  They are certified 100% organic.  Yet, sure enough, if I look at the fine print on the back, they do mention they are processed in a plant that also processes tree nuts, wheat, etc...  Many products carry this allergen disclaimer, though.  I'm not sure that necessarily means that there is gluten on my oats.

Still, interesting point that us Gatherers who try to avoid wheat and gluten might want to specifically look for oats that are labeled gluten-free, if there is such an animal...and the quote above seems to indicate that there is.



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Isn't that interesting?  I am going to look for these gluten-free oats, and I wonder if they are labeled as such?  



Hello PT... yes I've purchased them at Wild Oats and they were labled as such in the gluten free section.  However I recently searched searched at Whole Foods to no avail.  

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WF will respond if you write or email them...that you want this type of  product.
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Hello PT... yes I've purchased them at Wild Oats and they were labled as such in the gluten free section.

Wow, that Wild Oats has an entire gluten-free section.  Coolio.  We don't have that chain here.  We don't have any chain here.  However, I am very blessed because we do have an excellent, independent HFS here which is pretty small, yet recently expanded and really now is meeting all my grocery-shopping needs fantabulously.




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Wow, that Wild Oats has an entire gluten-free section.  Coolio.  We don't have that chain here.  We don't have any chain here.  However, I am very blessed because we do have an excellent, independent HFS here which is pretty small, yet recently expanded and really now is meeting all my grocery-shopping needs fantabulously.




If they don't have it... they will probably order it, yes?

Also... I'm feeling rather envious of all you Gatherers over here!  You are so social!  Our poor Hunter threads suffer a bit... I guess we are all out Hunting!  ha Ha!! HAAA!!!  

Hope you all don't mind a Hunter comin' over and blabbin' from time to time...  
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come on down! after all, we go way back!
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I forced myself to eat some cottage cheese the other day. (I never did like the stuff.)  I had gas the next day.  I don't think I can digest dairy, even if I am a gatherer.  


One thing I remember about dairy and Bs.  Dr. D recommended that a lactose intolerant B use lactase and try to incorporate dairy since it was so beneficial for them.  Lactose intolerance is not related to blood type.  It's a separate consideration, like celiac disease or allergies.  If you're truly allergic to a superfood you would not eat it.


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I'm feeling rather envious of all you Gatherers over here!  You are so social!  Our poor Hunter threads suffer a bit... I guess we are all out Hunting!  ha Ha!! HAAA!!!

That's hilar!  The hunters are all out, in their tall, thin, intense way, hunting the big game, whilst us short, voluptuous gatherers are home picking wild berries and gossiping the day away!

The hunters need absolute silence in order to stalk their prey.  Us gatherers, meanwhile, are jawin' it up as we collect our fruit, nuts and seeds!



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Hunters are welcome here, as far as I'm concerned--so are the other GTs We Gatherers appear to be the homemakers and hearth-keepers, so to speak, so having people over to chat is natural for us.

Twinnie, you are absolutely spot on about the oats. My apologies if I implied the gluten is IN the oats--it is on the outside, as PT's post indicates.

If you don't have a store selling GF oats near you, try a google search and see if there isn't an online seller willing to ship to you. I plan to do this myself, since the bulk foods place near us is happy to sell organic oats, but isn't willing to do GF oats yet until demand increases (understandable, they have to sell things to make money!).

I've always had good results with McCann's, an Irish brand. They do not claim to be GF, but their oats never give me moderate gluten reactions the way Quaker or Mother's often do. Their steel-cut oats (steel-cut makes excellent overnight oatmeal!) come in a wonderful decorative metal tin. Their quick-cooking oats make excellent cookies too.


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p.s. try roasted pumpkin seeds and dried raspberries in your oatmeal cookie recipe in place of walnuts and raisins. It's sooooo good!


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Quoted from Brighid45
We Gatherers appear to be the homemakers and hearth-keepers, so to speak, so having people over to chat is natural for us.

JINX:  buy me a Coke!  ...Or, make that:  JINX:  make me a homemade soda with seltzer, elderberry, grapefruit juice and lemon!

We just posted the same idea at virtually the same time!

Twin alert, yet again!

So many twin alerts, so little time to acknowledge them all...

Anyway, great minds think alike:  yes, we gatherers are the home and hearthbodies (hearthbody...now there is a new Twist word de jour!).  Like I posted, we are picking the berries in our social way, whilst the hunters are out stalking the big game in silence.  Once again, I'm glad I'm a gatherer!




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I tried using dried gooseberries as a sub for raisins in my oatmeal bar... man alive are those things SWEET. At some point I intend to soak them, puree them and try and make a syrup out of them...

I like using goji berries in place of raisins...
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It's getting more and more like the Patty Duke show with us two. Except your legs are shorter than mine.

Some GF oats suppliers online:

http://www.glutenfreeoats.com
http://www.giftsofnature.net
http://www.creamhillestates.com

Bob's Red Mill now offers GF steel-cut oats that are prepared in a dedicated facility, so you can check their website to learn more.


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It's getting more and more like the Patty Duke show with us two. Except your legs are shorter than mine.

Some GF oats suppliers online:

http://www.glutenfreeoats.com
http://www.giftsofnature.net
http://www.creamhillestates.com

Bob's Red Mill now offers GF steel-cut oats that are prepared in a dedicated facility, so you can check their website to learn more.

Oh, you know what?  I'll bet I saw those when I bought the "old fashioned" variety I bought, because I saw some variety that was, like, twice as expensive (same brand, Bob's Red Mill), and I couldn't figure out what the diff was!  They were both organic, yet this one said "old fashioned" and I think that one did say "steel cut" and I vaguely recall thinking:  It better be cut with diamonds for that price!


Seriously, they had several varieties of Bob's Red Mill oats, so I'm sure the GF variety was in the mix somewhere.  I sure hope it was, anyway.  I will check next time.

My HFS is awesome now!  ...Watch WF finally move into the area now that my HFS has expanded and become so fabulous that I no longer shiv a git about WF coming here.  Now that I don't care and even kinda sorta don't want them to come and compete with my beloved HFS, they probably will show up.


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have any gatherers started feeling any positive results? I must be going through a little detox..so I'm hoping there's light at the end of the tunnel haha
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I'm going to start making the fresh cheeses (farmer, ricotta, cottage) with goat's milk, now that I know how.  I think it would help give them a bit more flavor   If only I could find sheep milk, I hear it makes awesome ricotta.

I figure it will be even more beneficial, since goat milk is healthier than cow milk, and I'll still get all the benefits of the cheese.

Not to mention, swooning over the pot of heating milk...too much temptation there as I always loved the flavor and smell of warm milk.  I don't think there will be any such temptation with goat milk.  


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I'd like to try making ricotta/paneer with goat's or sheep's milk too, Melissa. If you're able to find some and make a batch, please let us know how it goes.

I might order some oats from the glutenfreeoats site, and replace my oats and oat flour (one of my coworkers makes a lot of cookies and she can put the flour and rolled oats to good use). My next purchase will have to be a home mill so I can grind my own flours. For example, I'd like to work with amaranth flour more and either no one carries it or they run out all the time--and making my own is better anyway, the fresh flour or meal has more vitamins and trace minerals than the storebought stuff.

My parents worked with a two-year food storage plan that included owning a little home-sized mill. It's really nice to make your own flours and blends, and maintaining the grinding stones is simple once you know how to do it. Our mill could be used either with electricity or by hand. We preferred electricity!


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I'd love to get an electric grain mill.  I have a hand-crank one that I never use.  I also have a grain flaker that I haven't tried yet, that will be fun (once I get off this milk making kick) Most of the grains keep better in whole form, and it would save a lot of money to buy them in bulk.  I still have very little food storage, especially the grains.

I've been kind of on a grain rotation diet so far, since I'm the main one who eats the breads and such that I make.  So I make a batch of quinoa tortillas, when those run out I make a batch of something from oats, then when those run out I make a batch of teff injera, the flax bread, etc. I haven't experimented much with millet yet.  Each batch lasts a few days.  


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