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Peppermint Twist
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Quoted from Mary M.
Hi gulfcoastguy, That's a great addition to chili, never thought of it. Would you please share your Chili Recipe with us? I'd like to make a compliant Gatherer's Chili from scratch.
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret

I second that request!  


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Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl!  Girl, girl, girl!  GIRL!  I have already been thinking about the whole "potato, white" situation!  First of all, I am not a huge fan of those Terra Bliss chips, although they will do in a pinch.  They are okay.  But have you ever tried the PURPLE potato chips?  Recently, although pre-GTD, we had a thread about them and the BTD, and we basically concluded sorrowfully that they are probably avoids because they still have the dratted potato lectin, just as white potatoes do, even though they have more coolio nutrients by virtue of their natural purple coloring...or, vice-versa.

But now?  I don't know!  It clearly says, potato, white!  WHITE!  Not purple!  Not Yukon gold!  WHITE!

My thought on this was:  don't post about it yet, Edna (although now that you did, I'm off to the races *lol*).  AFTER 3 to 6 months, or when you drop about 60 lbs, whichever comes LAST, THEN you can start considering the addition of purple chips to your diet.  Until then, calm down, pipe down, simmer down, down, down, down, rock lobster, ya know?  (Whoa--I am even too incoherent today to follow my own sentences **!  Well, grok what you can and leave the rest!)  Basically, I'm thinking that purple chips could be NEUTRAL...but that would be IF I didn't have my prior BTD knowledge, which I'm beginning to think of as a curse (just kidding--never would I think that!).  I mean, the stuuuu-pit lectin issue is still there.  So, the short answer to your Q is:  I dunno.  But I plan to have a hearty think on it in about a year, once the weight is jettisoned!


You're right, love is too strong a word, just happy to find something with an acceptable oil and crunchy maybe better describes it for me.

On the 3 to 6 mo. or 60 pounds timetable, I'm thinking my target my be more toward, weight is in control (moving down) and few or no binges.  I actually had a great year last year, down 42 with a weight loss every month (0.5 pound low in February, 6 pound high in December, figure that one out, it should have been the reverse).  In 2006 in was a net gain of 8 pounds for the year, so I just put my foot down, drew a line in the sand, whatever.

I haven't tried the purple potatoes, but would agree that they probably have some nice antioxidants or something to go along with the purple.  Of course I could make the same argument for blue corn tortillas.

I do think the Gatherer diet is easier for me, but it is very hard to forget what I know about BTD.

One thing Dr. D said on one of the YouTube videos (or somewhere I'll never find again, maybe the intro to the book?) was that he wrote the GTD because he wanted to move past the inexorability of the Blood Type diet (and I apologize, because this is surely an inexact quote).  I wasn't exactly sure of that word choice, but I took him to mean the idea that a food was always and forever bad for a person.  I hope at some point there is some commentary on combining the two.

He gave the example that now Dean Ornish is recommending some fish in the diet.  That is recognized as progress, but the changes of GTD are taken as something less positive.  I can't think of a diet that hasn't morphed over the years, Weight Watchers being a very good example.

By the way, after intialing flipping quickly through the book to get to the what to dos, I took the time to read Tom Greenfield's Prologue.  It was really excellent.


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Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
On the 3 to 6 mo. or 60 pounds timetable, I'm thinking my target my be more toward, weight is in control (moving down) and few or no binges.  I actually had a great year last year, down 42 with a weight loss every month (0.5 pound low in February, 6 pound high in December, figure that one out, it should have been the reverse).

Hey, I'm proud of you!  Isn't it neat to realize WHY we are so "weight-challenged"?  Finding out that I am indeed a thrify genotype feels very validating, in terms of the weight. So EASY to gain, such a challenge to lose!  What aaaaaaaaaaaaup with that?  Well, now we know!
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I do think the Gatherer diet is easier for me, but it is very hard to forget what I know about BTD.

I feel you there, trust me.
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One thing Dr. D said on one of the YouTube videos (or somewhere I'll never find again, maybe the intro to the book?) was that he wrote the GTD because he wanted to move past the inexorability of the Blood Type diet (and I apologize, because this is surely an inexact quote).  I wasn't exactly sure of that word choice, but I took him to mean the idea that a food was always and forever bad for a person.  I hope at some point there is some commentary on combining the two.

I saw that, too...but where *lol*?!  Possibly in the Genotype Diet itself, me thinks.  Anyway...a lectin/blood type agglutinizing reaction is forever.  That said, can other parts of the total picture of YOU eclipse it's importance in determining a given food's status for you?  Apparently, yes.  Or, sometimes yes, sometimes no.

The answer to so many questions in life is:  sometimes yes, sometimes no.



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He did say that ideally each person has a diet individualized just to him.  He's probably working on it.


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B to Bnonnie to Nomad, the journey continues
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About my chile "recipe" a long time ago I had one from "Mens Health" that was vegetarian and used eggplant and zucchinni and beer. I lost it in the 2002 move. For various reason I haven't drunk beer in 8 years and now I can't have tomatos anymore "nomad nono Bnonnie be darned". I learned about the chocolate from my highschool spainish teacher who was of Mexican origin. Just use your favorite chile recipe and use one or two bottles of beer in cooking it and throw in one square of baker's chocolate right at the end as you turn off the heat. Don't forget that real chili has cumin in it.
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<<<funkymuse.....!!!! what an awesome idea! I even have some! Gymnema sylvestra.......wonder what Dr. D. thinks of this idea...? maybe its the big guns, too much...?>>>>

Anybody find out anything about this yet?
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Quoted from Lisalea


Hi again,
U're welcome  

I was wondering .. how did u know deep down that u're a non secretor ??

Keep thinking positive and let's stick together 'cause I'm in the same boat ... sigh ... between Gatherer and Nomad; however, according to my measurements I'm leaning towards a Nomad until I too do my secretor test

Cheers  



Yes positive thinking is a must!! I was so sure I was a nonsecretor because of all the health issues I suddenly had developed and because I had a candida problem and very sensitive to cheese and dairy and felt grains contributed to my hypoglycemia...I guess I just felt the description in the book and other peoples comments fit me pretty closely..but I'm so glad I did find out my status because I was following the nomad diet! oh and I found a compliant tomato sauce its called Nica's..and it comes in a variety of kinda..and also in Shaw's I found a hershey's and baker's unsweetened chocolate bar made of our just chocolate in one and chocolate and cocoa in the other :O) making progress
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Yes positive thinking is a must!! I was so sure I was a nonsecretor because of all the health issues I suddenly had developed and because I had a candida problem and very sensitive to cheese and dairy and felt grains contributed to my hypoglycemia...I guess I just felt the description in the book and other peoples comments fit me pretty closely..but I'm so glad I did find out my status because I was following the nomad diet! oh and I found a compliant tomato sauce its called Nica's..and it comes in a variety of kinda..and also in Shaw's I found a hershey's and baker's unsweetened chocolate bar made of our just chocolate in one and chocolate and cocoa in the other :O) making progress


Yes, u r making progress ... PLEASE keep us posted  


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I use to buy Cocoa nibs. They are just Cocoa beans in pieces. They are great in trail mix and they don;t melt in your hand   . I buy mine at Whole Foods. You can also grate them for fine powder over or in anything.
Check this recipe out http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/recipes/dessert/rawbananaicecream.html   YUM


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Cocoa nibs are awesome! They're great just to munch--you get that wonderful chocolatey taste without sugar or fat!

Mountain Rose Herbs sells nibs also.


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Rachel, if you are 0+ and have longer index fingrs than ring fingers, you are a gatherer. (all females with 0+ and longer ring fingers are gatherers; the other possible measurements don't matter.)


Mercedes, I'm a bit confused by the above statement - should it be longer index or longer ring for a gatherer?


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longer index fingers and O+ blood and female = gatherer.
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Thanks Mercedes, my trouble is, I'm itching to know all the answers now!  

My book was despatched yesterday but they reckon it won't reach me until the 16th


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Quoted from Mercedes
longer index fingers and O+ blood and female = gatherer.


What about longer index fingers and B+ blood and female ??
Nomad or Gatherer  

Thanks  


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Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.
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Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.

That's what I thought  
Thanks Lloyd  


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Nomad or gatherer. It depends on secretor status and/or other measurements.


BUT, not if you're a female with type O+ blood. The ONLY measurement that matters to O+ blood ladies, is the finger measurements. The rest don't matter at all... frustrating really...
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Way-hay, despite an anticipated delivery date of the 16th, my book landed on the doormat with a thud this morning

I think it is going to take some time getting used to what I can and can't eat - just got to grips with the O list, now its all change.  Lots of things that used to be beneficial are now avoids That's going to confuse the hell out of me and my shopping list!

And what the heck do I do with cottage cheese??? Never liked the stuff so need some recipes where the flavour gets blended in with other things, I think........ any offers?

Oatmeal I'm gonna enjoy, chocolate is a double-edged sword - I had enough trouble avoiding it when it was an infrequent neutral, tell me its a superfood and I'm done for - how the heck do I get chocolate without any avoids?????????

And what about bananas and mangoes


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Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...

you will go to heaven!!!
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Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...


Not sure I can get stevia in UK, but I have unsweetened cocoa powder and ricotta cheese so I guess that is a start..... hmmm....


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Mix unsweetened chocolate powder with ricotta cheese and a little stevia...

you will go to heaven!!!


Did u ever try to mix carob with ricotta ??  
Thanks  



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Kipperkid, you can dose cottage cheese or ricotta with some extra virgin olive oil, garlic and chives and hide it in things like veggie lasagna. I also just found a recipe for baked ricotta cakes (a bit like cheesecake but not nearly as sweet) that you serve hot from the oven with fruit preserves. I'm going to try that recipe this weekend and will post results.

As for chocolate . . . try the unsweetened stuff. You can melt down a bar of baking chocolate and add your own compliant sweetener if you like, along with toasted nuts and chopped dried fruits--sort of like a compliant version of Cadbury's Fruit and Nut or a Chunky bar, but without all that sugar. I have to take it easy with chocolate too, it can be a trigger for me to binge if I'm not careful.

I miss bananas too, they were a mainstay for me. But the good news is they're a black-dot food, so eventually you can try putting them back into your diet. I can live with that. Right now I'm doing more dried apricots. I'd forgotten how good they are!

It does take some getting used to the changes, but I'm really excited about them now. After a week on the Gatherer food plan, at about 75-80% compliancy, I'm beginning to feel better--lighter, if that makes any sense at all. Hang in there and take one step at a time. Be gentle with yourself. Change takes time--and the GTD will always be there, it's not going away You can always come here and comment or ask questions, many of us are going through the same period of confusion, consternation and excitement


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Yes, I can see me doing a fair bit of searching for new recipes over the next few days/weeks/months!

I went for a walk over lunchtime, couldn't afford to waste such a gorgeous day - it's been seriously wet and dreary most of this week.  Spotted a shop selling fresh apricots so bought some and had one for a snack - have to admit I've always liked apricots so that wasn't exactly a hardship!

Breakfast was porridge made with oats, quinoa and millet with some dried apricots added - looked absolutely disgusting I have to say, but tasted pretty good.

Now need to give some thought to lunch - back to the book for some inspiration I think.

Dinner is turkey in a tomato/herb sauce with courgettes, onions and mushrooms - must say I'm glad to have mushrooms back on the agenda.

I was interested to see Marmite as a superfood, too - always used to love that - just need to sort out what bread I'm allowed to have, and I could be back to Marmite sarnies.


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Years ago I used cottage cheese in recipes that needed sauces. It melted down nicely in chicken veggie crepes. Now to come up with compliant recipes using the same. You never knew it was cottage cheese after all the flavors mixed into it.


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Do the lumps melt down when you put it in a sauce like that?

I just been reading the section on beverages and I have to admit 2-4 times a day worries me - I drink loads more than that, 8 drinks minimum, mostly water   I think that recommendation may be one that goes on hold for the moment......!


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