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Brighid45
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You can indeed make a chocolate mole sauce. Unsweetened chocolate and chilis are a match made in heaven. Since chicken is out for us as of right now, you could try it over turkey.

As for whipped cream, do NOT even mention that garbage known as 'cool whip' in the same breath as real whipped cream. Cool Whip is one step away from being plastic--literally. Nasty horrible disgusting stuff. Real whipped cream, when made properly, is not fluffy tasteless calories. It's dense, rich, and subtle in flavor. I wouldn't want it all the time, but now and then it's delicious. I posted a recipe using cream and soft sharp cheese in the 'cooking with oat flour' thread. As anyone who has ever had cranachan knows, real whipped cream paired with crowdie (a type of soft savory cheese), fresh raspberries, toasted oats, a bit of malt whiskey and honey--food of the gods!


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OMG!! Brighid, when my DH hears about that dish he will go ape! It sounds so good. I will go to that thread....now.
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It's delicious, believe me. Calories galore, but it's so rich you don't want much! And though it sounds strange, it's the oats that really make it taste so good.

And now that I'm a Gatherer, I can have it again! The Scots in me is doing a dance of utter joy, I can tell you.


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well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. ...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek


Hi mm134684,
R u a B+ or a B- ??
If ur index fingers r longer than ur ring fingers perhaps u still have the chance of being a Nomad ??

I really wish it for u  


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aw thanks lisalea..I'm B+..and my index and ring fingers are exactly the same..so I believe my index fingers win...and my torso is longer than my legs..but I'm pretty sure my lower leg is longer than my upper..and even if they are tied i think it still goes to the lower...I'm just afraid of being wrong..but I'm accepting that I'm a gatherer for now and hopefully I'll see an improvement..I guess how I feel will help determine if I'm right  
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has anyone found a compliant gatherer tomato sauce?
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for spaghetti sauce, I use safeway brand. It's tomato, salt, and "spices". Ok, perhaps it's not perfect. But it doesn't have sugar, corn starch or syrup, or the rest. I then just add my own bell pepper, oregano, basil, parsely, marjoram, garlic and onion mix...

Hypothetically, you could use tomato paste (easily available and avoid free) add water and crushed tomato and your own combination of the above mentioned spices. (Plus white pepper is neutral, I think, but I don't add it myself)
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So you figured out the leg measurements?  The video is helpful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olnmUUVuVMA

I had my doubts as well, though not as many doubts as some of the gatherers who are super thin and tall (I'm not that tall, nor thin, but my waist/hip ratio is always good).  I have the white lines aplenty, and many Hunter problems, but I'm happy to be a gatherer, and it's working well for me.


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aw thanks lisalea..I'm B+..and my index and ring fingers are exactly the same..so I believe my index fingers win...and my torso is longer than my legs..but I'm pretty sure my lower leg is longer than my upper..and even if they are tied i think it still goes to the lower...I'm just afraid of being wrong..but I'm accepting that I'm a gatherer for now and hopefully I'll see an improvement..I guess how I feel will help determine if I'm right  


Hi again,
U're welcome  

I was wondering .. how did u know deep down that u're a non secretor ??

Keep thinking positive and let's stick together 'cause I'm in the same boat ... sigh ... between Gatherer and Nomad; however, according to my measurements I'm leaning towards a Nomad until I too do my secretor test

Cheers  


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Hi Rochelle,

I ground some almonds in a pestle and mortar to make a smooth paste, like a nut butter I suppose, but less sticky.  

I used a dessertspoon of agave, but again that's down to taste, I was in dire need of something sweet and comforting lol.

Hope you enjoy it.

Loraine


What a good idea.  I can make a little at a time.  Thanks.


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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I do like the cottege cheese back and chocolate.


But how do we get chocolate without sugar?


Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again.  Blessings, meribelle
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But how do we get chocolate without sugar?

I buy chocolate powder (there is nothing added to it). It is organic and comes from Peru.
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well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. ...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek

Oh, man.  That sounds like a somewhat tricky case.  Are you a member of genotypediet.com?  If so, and you post your questions there, maybe someone really knowledgeable like, ideally, Dr. D., or one of the other support people there will be able to help you determine your correct genotype.

It certainly does sound strange that you typed out as G2 (Gatherer), yet you are clearly an ectomorph.

I don't know what to tell you, other than Dr. D. did say (in the book or somewhere) that your type is your type and basically, if you use the calculators, it can't come out wrong and you can't really be a hybrid of two or more types.

Still...I can see why you are wondering.  Ideally, you could ask on genotypediet.com.  Good luck!!!

edited to add:  Don't worry.  You will get it figured out one way or the other.  It just may take a while and some help, but you will figure out your type.



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You can indeed make a chocolate mole sauce. Unsweetened chocolate and chilis are a match made in heaven. Since chicken is out for us as of right now, you could try it over turkey.

What's wrong with my new love, ground bison?  I could make (or a good cook could, anyway *lol*) a bison chili with chocolate in the chili sauce, no?  But you are saying that the mole is a different sauce altogether and traditionally served over chicken, so why not use turkey, right?  Gotcha (I think).

I find I'm starting to question the chicken thing for O G2's a bit.  I think (and I am basing this purely on my own twisty speculation) that maybe Dr. D. black-dotted chicken as opposed to it being neutral because G2's can be O's or B's, and while chicken is (or was, in ancient BTD times) a neutral for O's, it was a clear-n-classic BTD avoid for B's.  So why should us O's suffer a chicken-free existence now just because some B's have horned in our our G2 type?  Those darn B's!     

Seriously, I don't want to give up chicken!  I'm not saying it should be a mainstay for an O on either the BTD or the GTD, but, dang it, I like it and it was neutral before and I have my theory of why it is black-dotted now and according to my theory, the black dot doesn't apply to ME.  I'm special!  
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As for whipped cream, do NOT even mention that garbage known as 'cool whip' in the same breath as real whipped cream. Cool Whip is one step away from being plastic--literally.

So true.  Cool Whip is a faux food.  Real whipped cream is leagues better...yet still a pointless load of sugary fluff!
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Real whipped cream, when made properly, is not fluffy tasteless calories. It's dense, rich, and subtle in flavor.

Yeah, it's subtle all right.  So subtle that one must ask oneself:  what is the POINT?  Wouldn't I rather taste the pure, unadulterated strawberries or ice cream or pie or whatever this pure whipped cream is sitting on top of?  Why do I need this distraction?
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I wouldn't want it all the time, but now and then it's delicious.

Well, we are twins but fraternal, not identical.  
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I posted a recipe using cream and soft sharp cheese in the 'cooking with oat flour' thread. As anyone who has ever had cranachan knows, real whipped cream paired with crowdie (a type of soft savory cheese), fresh raspberries, toasted oats, a bit of malt whiskey and honey--food of the gods!

Well, enjoy, and pass me the chips and sour cream dip, please!  Sour cream!  Now there is a cream with a point to it!  Anything you put it on can only be improved, be it chips, gcg's chili, nachos (omg, I'm getting into pre-BTD mode here--stop the madness *lol*), or whatever.

But whipped cream just seems like a pointless fluff addition to me.

And I HAVE had the pure, homemade stuff on fresh strawberries and I just thought:  WHY?  Why mask the strawberries in all this "white noise"?

...Yeah, I know:  I'm weird.  I freely accept that designation at this point in my life.



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I buy chocolate powder (there is nothing added to it). It is organic and comes from Peru.

Okay, this is quite possibly a very stupid Q, but is there a diff between cocoa powder and chocolate powder?  If so, I would be interested in a brand name for that chocolate powder.  Thanks in advance!



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Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea...

Victoria, you are right!  This surprises me because it is even stronger than the Hojicha roasted green, or at least as strong and rich.  But I just checked Great Eastern Sun company's helpful caffeine comparison chart and, sure enough, the Hojicha roasted green has 9 mg per serving, while the Kukicha only has 7 mg!  This ROCKS!  Thank you for that information, I wouldn't have thunk it!  Perhaps I can occasionally sneak in a third bag of tea per day.*  Here's the comparison chart:

http://www.great-eastern-sun.com/shopnew/haikuteas.html

* wrong:  I just realized that adding the Twinings Earl Grey back into the picture has probably added a ton of caffeine back in *sigh*.  I mean, look on that chart at how much caffeine another brand of Earl Grey contains:  85 mgs!  The Twinings might be different, but probably not that different.  Still, some days maybe I'll just have kukicha and/or hojicha and on those days, perhaps 3 bags might be doable.

At any rate, thanks for the info about the relatively low caffeine content of the kukicha!



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HI, PT!!!

I'm waiting for my GTD book to arrive, so I am VERY, VERY behind the 8-ball on all of this, and if I post something that makes you roll your eyes, please bear with me.

From looking at this last page, I am getting the idea that for some or all of us O's, chicken is now an avoid on some level, right?  Well, I think that's really interesting because I have ALWAYS and continue to generally dislike chicken.  I love the bones and the skin, so wings are generally the only point of eating chicken for me, and I can tolerate the dark-meat part, but, honestly, I see no point to eating chicken breasts in any form.  Chicken has always tasted "dirty" on some level to me, regardless of it being home-grown and hand slaughtered, free-range and organic, or just Costco packed.  The reality is that I just don't like chicken and never have.  I far prefer turkey, duck or the very best, wild goose.  

My daughter HATES chicken and always has.  She might choke down a chicken tender that deep-fat fried in fat and dipped in ketchup or cream gravy here or there, but she abhores the taste of chicken meat.  

Honestly, if neither of us ever ate another bite of chicken, life would be fine.

I'm betting, on this fact alone, that I am whatever genotype is supposed to be chicken-free!


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HI, PT!!!

I'm waiting for my GTD book to arrive, so I am VERY, VERY behind the 8-ball on all of this, and if I post something that makes you roll your eyes, please bear with me.

I know how you feel when it seems everyone and his/her brother has the book but you, and you don't know what they are all going on about, measurement-wise, etc., but trust me:  you are NOT that "behind the eight-ball".  Once you read the book, you'll be all caught up!  Remember, none of us have had the book for more than a few weeks!  I still haven't completed the measurements (but I know what I am *lol* ...that said, it would be funny if I'm WRONG ...but I'm not).  You may think you are hopelessly "behind", but you aren't.  You will catch up very fast.  But I know how frustraligating it is before you get the book:  you want it, already!

I have to say, Equi, the Genotype Diet is the most exciting thing to come down the pike since ER4YT.  One gets the same feeling of "Yesssssssss!  I knew it!" all along whilst reading it.  I know with your keen and questioning mind, you will be fascinated by all the science.  It substantive, yet written in a style that makes it pretty easy to grasp.  Obviously, he couldn't go into everything, science-wise, or into the depth that I am sure he was tempted to go into, but he went into it as much as is possible in one book written for the general public.  Enough so that the "end user" of the diet will understand all the why's and wherefore's.  Or a remarkable number of them, anyway.  Again, no way could you fit it all in one book!

The diet itself follows in the great tradition of the SIMPLICITY of practice that ER4YT had.  There are "superfoods" (beneficials), "diamond superfoods" (superfoods with a little diamond symbol next to them, indicating that they are super-DUPER foods), neutrals (which are anything NOT listed, and which may be consumed freely, although one should focus on ingesting superfoods at every meal), "toxins to avoid" (avoids), and "black-dot toxins to avoid" (avoids with a black dot next to them, meaning you can add them back in after 3 to 6 months of initial detox, providing you are healthy and don't need to lose weight, in which case you should still leave them out).  Even the way I just described the categories makes them sound more complex than they are--it is basically two lists, beneficials and avoids, with diamonds next to some bennies and black dots next to some avoids--very CLEAR in how it is laid out and to be followed.

The part that is easiest to obsess over is the measurements.  I am a bit stressed about it to this day, yet if you know your ABO type and secretor status, you can use the "advanced genotype calculator" and you only need a few of the measurements the book describes.  I haven't done 'em yet *lol*, plus I plan to do them ALL and use each calculator, because that is the kind of insane nut I am.  But if I get conflicting results, I will go by the results of the advanced calculator.  I'm really not sweating it because I can tell what my type is.

It is like with ER4YT:  had you not told me my blood type and had I simply read the profiles of the types and the food lists, I would have known immediately:  ah, I'm a Type O.  I would have at least known I am NOT a Type A!  Vegetarian or semi-veggie?  Been there, done that, got the "I survived vegetarianism...but barely" T-shirt.

Anyway, I'm a G2 (Gatherer) and am currently sitting here ingesting my leftoever ground bison, green bean, chunky tomato marinara and pesto for lunch.  Life is good!

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From looking at this last page, I am getting the idea that for some or all of us O's, chicken is now an avoid on some level, right?

Don't get me started on THAT *lol*, because I seem to be in a bit of a twist over that at the moment.  The short answer is, it is a black-dot toxin to avoid, meaning if you are generally healthy and don't have weight to lose, you can add chicken back in after 3 to 6 months.  That is IF you are a "Gatherer", mind you.  You might be some other type.
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Well, I think that's really interesting because I have ALWAYS and continue to generally dislike chicken.  I love the bones and the skin, so wings are generally the only point of eating chicken for me, and I can tolerate the dark-meat part, but, honestly, I see no point to eating chicken breasts in any form.  Chicken has always tasted "dirty" on some level to me, regardless of it being home-grown and hand slaughtered, free-range and organic, or just Costco packed.  The reality is that I just don't like chicken and never have.  I far prefer turkey, duck or the very best, wild goose.

Wow, if you type out as a Gatherer, this could be one of those "YESSSSSSSS!" moments I was just referring to:  for Gatherers, chicken is a black-dot toxin to avoid, but turkey?  Well, my darling, turkey is a SUPERFOOD for you (if you are "one of us" *lol*).  And not just any old superfood, mind you, but a diamond superfood, as in, a kicked-up, super-duper superfood!

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My daughter HATES chicken and always has.  She might choke down a chicken tender that deep-fat fried in fat and dipped in ketchup or cream gravy here or there, but she abhores the taste of chicken meat.  

Honestly, if neither of us ever ate another bite of chicken, life would be fine.

I'm betting, on this fact alone, that I am whatever genotype is supposed to be chicken-free!

  Well, don't bet the farm on it.  But a gal can dream!


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Rachel, if you are 0+ and have longer index fingrs than ring fingers, you are a gatherer. (all females with 0+ and longer ring fingers are gatherers; the other possible measurements don't matter.)
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mm134684: go here:

http://www.edenfoods.com/store/index.php?cPath=23_41

Edenfoods is probably the best brand name I know for purity and quality--NO additives, preservatives, corn syrup or fillers, just high-quality organic or all-natural ingredients. They can be a bit pricey, but you're paying for really good food and imo, it's worth the extra price. You can order from them directly, or check with your local supermarket/natural foods/HFS to see if they carry Eden brand, or are willing to order it for you.

You might want to check out the rest of their offerings--there are many Gatherer-friendly goodies in their catalog, like umeboshi plum vinegar and sea vegetables. All in all, an excellent resource for any BTD- or GTDer!


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Twin of mine, so you don't like whipped cream. That's cool. More for the rest of us. Before you give up on it completely however, you might want to give creme fraiche a try. My whipped cream tastes more like the fraiche style--it is not fluffy or insipid, it's thick, dense, a bit sharp, and very satisfying--and NOT sweet at all. I know you'll blow me off on this, but just try it sometime.

As for unsweetened chocolate in chili--absolutely! Try it, especially with fresh chiles in the sauce. Chiles and chocolate are born mates, they compliment each other and create an incredibly intense, complex set of tastes you can get addicted to very quickly!

I'm actually thinking of going back to Lindt's 85% cocoa chocolate bar for chocolate pieces to put in my trail mix. Even the Ghirardelli chips taste too sweet to me now!

I do know Victoria and Lola make a hot drink from cocoa powder and boiling water. I tried it once and it took a little getting used to at first, but when my taste buds eventually quit expecting Swiss Miss cocoa, I liked it a lot! You get that velvety-sharp chocolate flavor without the interruption of sugar and faux milk. And a nice little hit of caffeine too, that doesn't jangle your nerves like coffee can do! Between it and Morning Thunder, my mornings are a lot more lively now!


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Quoted from Peppermint Twist

I find I'm starting to question the chicken thing for O G2's a bit.  I think (and I am basing this purely on my own twisty speculation) that maybe Dr. D. black-dotted chicken as opposed to it being neutral because G2's can be O's or B's, and while chicken is (or was, in ancient BTD times) a neutral for O's, it was a clear-n-classic BTD avoid for B's.  So why should us O's suffer a chicken-free existence now just because some B's have horned in our our G2 type?  Those darn B's!     

Seriously, I don't want to give up chicken!  I'm not saying it should be a mainstay for an O on either the BTD or the GTD, but, dang it, I like it and it was neutral before and I have my theory of why it is black-dotted now and according to my theory, the black dot doesn't apply to ME.  I'm special!  



OK, so what are your thoughts on those Terra Red Bliss Chips we both love?  I got to thinking, white potatoes are listed on the toxin list for Gatherers.  What about red potatoes or yukon golds although I've never used yukon golds.  I do know that red potatoes have a lower glycemic index than regular white potatoes.  That is how I rationalized using them before.

The thing I probably miss the most is the possibility of roasted root vegetables.  Many of them are black dot foods, but none really on the SF list.


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Quoted from gulfcoastguy
Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!


Hi gulfcoastguy,

That's a great addition to chili, never thought of it.
Would you please share your Chili Recipe with us? I'd like to make a compliant Gatherer's Chili from scratch.
Thank you.

Cordially,
Margaret


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Quoted from Brighid45
Twin of mine, so you don't like whipped cream. That's cool. More for the rest of us. Before you give up on it completely however, you might want to give creme fraiche a try. My whipped cream tastes more like the fraiche style--it is not fluffy or insipid, it's thick, dense, a bit sharp, and very satisfying--and NOT sweet at all.

Creme fraiche is another story indeed.  Very lovely indeed.
Quoted from Briglet
As for unsweetened chocolate in chili--absolutely! Try it, especially with fresh chiles in the sauce. Chiles and chocolate are born mates

Interesting.  I feel that way about tomato marinara and basil pesto:  great, classic marraige.  And actually, chocolate and peppermint are lovely together, too, which is why I always loved the ORIGINAL Breyer's mint chip ice cream, which you can't get anymore.  It has been taken over by "Unilever" and is now a coconut-oil laden shadow of its former self.  What a loss to humanity, that!
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I'm actually thinking of going back to Lindt's 85% cocoa chocolate bar for chocolate pieces to put in my trail mix. Even the Ghirardelli chips taste too sweet to me now!

Wow, we are twins.  The first chocolate I ever actually liked was Lindt, which I tried at age 19 in a train station in Amsterdam or Germany.  I had never had GOOD chocolate before.

I notice now, though, that Lindt is here in the US, they have a lot of cr*ppy products, rife with junky ingredients.  On the rare occasions that I do buy chocolate (like, once every five years or so for myself, or recently to add to a holiday basket for my vet and his staff), I get Endangered Species.  BUT, and now we get to my point (thank goodness I have one, right?):  all of the above contain sugar, so me thinks you need to get UNSWEETENED chocolate for your trail mix, yes?  They have unsweetened chocolate chips, yes?  I wouldn't know.  I know you can't find unsweetened carob chips in this man's army, though.

I'm wanting to find out about the Peruvian pure chocolate powder mentioned somewhere or another around here.  Why do I get that?  The possibilities for using that are endless.  I really am going to try to open my mind and heart and tastebuds to approaching chocolate like something new.  Maybe I just have never chocolated right for my type before.  I am repulsed by it if it is locked together with cocoa butter or whatever, but maybe by its lonesome and in the right recipe, it would be LOVE.  Don we now our open-minded apparel!  ...Or words to that effect, you get my drift...I hope.  I am drifting today, that is for sure...it is the cold, yeah, that's what we'll blame it on...the head, she is fuzzy today!
Quoted from Brigadoon
I do know Victoria and Lola make a hot drink from cocoa powder and boiling water. I tried it once and it took a little getting used to at first, but when my taste buds eventually quit expecting Swiss Miss cocoa, I liked it a lot! You get that velvety-sharp chocolate flavor without the interruption of sugar and faux milk. And a nice little hit of caffeine too, that doesn't jangle your nerves like coffee can do!

I think I might have to add some agave syrup to that drink.  Just a tad.  OR--even better, because this is another perfect marraige, chocolate and pineapple--a little pineapple concentrate or juice.  Not that I've ever seen pineapple concentrate, but anyway.  I've heard tell of it.




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Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
OK, so what are your thoughts on those Terra Red Bliss Chips we both love?  I got to thinking, white potatoes are listed on the toxin list for Gatherers.  What about red potatoes or yukon golds although I've never used yukon golds.  I do know that red potatoes have a lower glycemic index than regular white potatoes.  That is how I rationalized using them before.

The thing I probably miss the most is the possibility of roasted root vegetables.  Many of them are black dot foods, but none really on the SF list.

Giiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirl!  Girl, girl, girl!  GIRL!  I have already been thinking about the whole "potato, white" situation!  First of all, I am not a huge fan of those Terra Bliss chips, although they will do in a pinch.  They are okay.  But have you ever tried the PURPLE potato chips?  Recently, although pre-GTD, we had a thread about them and the BTD, and we basically concluded sorrowfully that they are probably avoids because they still have the dratted potato lectin, just as white potatoes do, even though they have more coolio nutrients by virtue of their natural purple coloring...or, vice-versa.

But now?  I don't know!  It clearly says, potato, white!  WHITE!  Not purple!  Not Yukon gold!  WHITE!

My thought on this was:  don't post about it yet, Edna (although now that you did, I'm off to the races *lol*).  AFTER 3 to 6 months, or when you drop about 60 lbs, whichever comes LAST, THEN you can start considering the addition of purple chips to your diet.  Until then, calm down, pipe down, simmer down, down, down, down, rock lobster, ya know?  (Whoa--I am even too incoherent today to follow my own sentences **!  Well, grok what you can and leave the rest!)  Basically, I'm thinking that purple chips could be NEUTRAL...but that would be IF I didn't have my prior BTD knowledge, which I'm beginning to think of as a curse (just kidding--never would I think that!).  I mean, the stuuuu-pit lectin issue is still there.  So, the short answer to your Q is:  I dunno.  But I plan to have a hearty think on it in about a year, once the weight is jettisoned!


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