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...I am a gatherer, right?  I'm Not happy... I LOVE beef... now Turkey is better for me than beef. This genotype stuff is CRAZY

Take heart!  Number one, beef is a neutral that you may eat freely.  But secondly and more importantly, bison (buffalo) is a superfood.  Last night, I made ground bison, green beans, chunky marinara, pesto, ...that's it, but I should have thrown in some onion and once I run out of frozen pre-GTD veggies, I will use a superfood live food v. the green beans, which are neutral, such as asparagus, bell pepper, or turnip greens.  ANYWAY, this turned out so fabulously, you can't believe it.  The bison is basically just like beef, only a little leaner.  Try it, you'll love it!



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I'm with you on that one, I missed chocolate and cheese mmmmmm


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Quoted from Mercedes
I'm really reeling from the no banana bit.

Yeah, that one IS a major blow.  A smoothie without banana?  Surely you jest.  They add such a creaminess and tropical flare.  That said, now that we CAN have ricotta cheese (I am one of the artists previously known as O, as in, virtually all dairy VERBOTEN), maybe we could experiment with ricotta in our smoothies for creaminess instead of banana, and for that tropical flare, we can go with pineapple, guava or papaya?

I think it is a matter of getting used to things.

...Still, granted, banana is a blow.  That one stings.



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I am missing the bananas, I used to eat two or three a day, in my morning smoothie with apple & mango juice mixed with soy yogurt.  Gatherer poison lol


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Oh, but if I turn out to be a Nomad, it seems like chicken is allowable????  I don't know if I'm brave enough to try it!  But maybe I'm a gatherer too and we can convince said HFS to come up with a curried TURKEY walnut salad!  

*Chuckle*  As I am reading this in what was the future when you wrote it (whoa--did that make sense?), I know that you are indeed a Nomad.  If I were a B Nomad, I think I would still eschew chicken.  This is the type of question that makes me wish I could afford the genotypediet.com site, as I wonder if, if one has BTD-specific knowledge about your own type and a specific food with a classic lectin contraindication, would that trump the GTD designation?  Because, thing is, both B's and O's can be Gatherers.  So perhaps he black-dotted chicken because really O's can have it but B's shouldn't, so he split the difference?  And similarly, maybe really us O Gatherers shouldn't have cottage cheese, but he had to throw you B Gatherers a dairy bone so your systems wouldn't be too sad over the long haul?  I would LOVE to ask such things!  Then again, maybe we should just ACCEPT our genotype diet as a whole entity and just all of us Gatherers, for example, whether O or B, embrace cottage cheese (DONE!) and eschew chicken (done for the moment, yet questioning it, as you can see *lol*).

I don't know, girl.  I know I plan to keep enjoying cottage cheese again.  But then again, I never did strictly adhere to the dairy avoids, although for some reason I never bought cottage cheese.  But B's and chicken, that thar was and is a lectin issue...so I just don't know what to tell ya.  I would stick to turkey all the way, if I were you.  How can you go wrong, with it being a superfood?  I will stick to it, too, even though on Jeopardy last night there was a question that said turkey is a member of the vulture family and, quote, "also enjoys carrion".  Eeeeeew, that put me off my feed, for some reason!





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Mercedes,
It can be a confusing transition when you have gotten established in a system that is working for you.  No doubt, the BTD is powerful and healing, and I think you should continue with your current path if you are more comfortable with that approach.

The Genotype diet is just the next evolutionary step in further refining the individualized path.  It is not required that you make a change if you like the results you are getting from your present eating plan.

Great post, Victoria.  I tried to say the same thing earlier today in a post that got vaporized when our internet connection went down.  I thought my post was so brilliant and thus I was so sad that it was lost.  Yet now that I read yours, I realize that it says the same thing, more eloquently, and MUCH more succinctly!  Brava!



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we use the words interchangeably, but shouldn't...they are different. Garnet yams are sweet potatoes

Okay, TOTAL bummer, maaaaaaaaaan.  Yet thanks for the 411.  I thought they were sweet potatoes, but was hoping against hope that they are really yams afterall.



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So who else is thrilled to have eggs as superfoods?

Hello!  Totally versatile food, high in quality protein and vitamin K, and looooow in PRICE (as are many foods on our Gatherer superfood list, I have been noticing with glee).  What's not to love?!



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Wow, PT, I can relate.

Although, I've been meaning to try just cocoa to see if it's any different by itself.  Who knows, might be just as nasty.

Pure cocoa ain't bad.  But is that the same thing as "chocolate"?  I don't see cocoa listed as a superfood or an avoid, so is it neutral or is it a superfood like chocolate?  Me wonders...  Another thing that ain't bad is unsweetened chocolate, like baker's chocolate.  But then again, I'm weird.  Still, I have been thinking about TRYING--and not now, in the future, once I psych myself up for it somehow--some homemade, superfood hot chocolate, maybe with unsweetened chocolate, agave nectar, cinnamon?  But I dunno.  I'll have to give that one some thought.  I never did mind hot chocolate as much as I mind things like chocolate bars, fudge, chocolate cake, etc.  My prob seems to be with the combo of extreme fat and extreme sweetness.  Don't get me wrong, I am all about extreme fat, but it must be SALTY, not sweet.  Example:  While I LOVE sour cream (salted and/or with something salty such as POTATO CHIPS), I hate, and do not even see the point of, whipped cream.  What is the point of it?  Eeeeeew.

I've said this many times:  chocolate, by itself, is not a bad flavor.  On the contrary, it is complex, rich, interesting.  But it is always wrecked up by the fat and sugar with it.  Even just with sugar but no fat, I can handle it (hence I did used to have hot chocolate every so often as a kid, from one of those totally horrifying mixes like Nestle, which I think is just chocolate flavoring (maybe with some real cocoa) and sugar.  Not much fat in there.

Anyway...whatever.  The whole chocolate-as-superfood thing is weird, wild and wacky.


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U ro so very funny Peppytwist  



  Why, thank you!  I try!


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Anybody notice that the only green teas that are beneficial are kombucha and kukicha?

I'll tell ya what I did notice:  Upon trying the kukicha tea made by the same company that makes my beloved Hojicha roasted green (NOT a superfood--why, why, why, Lord?), I am thrilled to report that I have been wrong about something all these years:  there really IS something out there that tastes like coffee!  Kukicha tea really is coffee-esque!  I LOVE it!  I love it a little too much and, between it and rediscovering my beloved Twinings BLACK Earl Grey, I must constantly remind myself:  you only allow yourself a max of TWO black and/or green (two TOTAL) tea bags per day!  Otherwise you get withdrawal headaches on the weekends!  ...See, things like that make me still have a nagging wondering as to if I could possibly be an Explorer.  I simply MUST do the measurements soon.  But I digress.  Kukicha tea is FABULOUS if you miss coffee and/or like a REALLY strong, rich tea.  WOW.


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Oh, I read that to mean that green tea is beneficial, including kukicha which is made from the bark and stems of the tea plant.  I notice that for some other types the listing says "Tea, green, kukicha, bancha", which makes it seem like if there is a comma, it is part of a list?

Oooooooooh:  LOVING that take on the list!!!  That makes sense!  Thus maybe my Hojicha roasted green, made from the twigs and stems, IS a superfood afterall?  Hmm!  At any rate, it is at least a neutral that one can enjoy to one's heart's content.  But now that I've discovered the kukicha...I dunno.  I may have a new love!  Sorry, Hojicha...it's not you, it's me.



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I've got Chocolate Kisses listed as a snack for Wed!!!

wow....

Sorry to be a buzz kill, but if you mean Hershey's chocolate kisses, those have sugar added and thus would be a toxin to avoid.  You would have to make your own chocolate sweetened with (gulp) veg glyc. or agave nectar...or stevia, if that would work.

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P.T. You might have to make turkey mole with your chocolate. Its not sweet, just an ingredient in a rich, nutty chili sauce. There're lots of recipes on the net....each cook kind of does it his or her own way. (it also ain't lo cal)
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Twist- whipping cream ew???? Are you crazy??? Whipping cream whipped up with DARK agave nectar and some vanilla? Paradise on a spoon...

Put that on top of some pineapple, mango, carrot juice jello (heat juice, mix with gelatin, set, ta-da!) heavenly!!

However, I do prefer sweet to salty. AND, I didn't see cream listed on the gatherer list at all... I'm thinking it's a typo or I'm blind, but might ride it out as a neutral for a while
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Hi there... you don't have to eat cottage cheese! I'm certainly not going to eat Asparagas!  I HATE it!!!

See, I don't even think I'm human, let alone a member of any human genotype.  Case in point:  How can so many people love chocolate, yet hate asparagus, one of the most divine foods EVER?

Weird.  Wild.  Wacky.

Asparagus rules!!!!!!!

Well, here's what we'll do:  At any Gatherer and/or Genotype Diet gatherings (Gatherer gathering?), I will trade you all my chocolate for all your asparagus, and we'll both be happy!


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Twist- whipping cream ew???? Are you crazy??? Whipping cream whipped up with DARK agave nectar and some vanilla? Paradise on a spoon...

Okay, see, now, I'm glad you posted this:  this is another example of why I constantly question if I am truly human:  most of your true humans seem to LOVE whipped cream.  Personally, I could never understand why someone would take a perfectly perfect dish of, say, FRESH, beautiful, awesome strawberries, and douse them in COOL WHIP!  Why, why, why?  Oh, the horror.

What is the point of that stuff, even the "good stuff", i.e., pure whipped cream?  It is just added poofy calories and sugar, far as I can tell.

But now, sour cream.  Aaaaah, THAT is the ticket.  You get you some pure sour cream, some Kettle potato chips and, well..."no one is available to take your call, please leave a message."

On the other hand...while I HATE plain chocolate cake, and also chocolate cake with whipped cream, if you add some vanilla ICE CREAM to chocolate cake, it isn't that it would tempt me, but if forced to eat it, it wouldn't totaly s*ck.

Still, I'd MUCH rather have asparagus!!!!

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P.T....fantastic!! You've lost 23 lbs? Really great! (the dog scale!!lol)

I think so...only problem is, that scale usually comes in much lower than the poopy one at work, and the GOOD one at work was taken away, allegedly to be replaced by a new one, yet according to the head of maintenance, whom I keep asking about it, they are having massive "calibration problems" with it and are currently in talks with the manufacturer or something, so meanwhile, I'm going with the dog scale.  The gals at the vet's office insist it is accurate.  I am so psyched about the 23-lb loss.  Thanks for the pat on the back, Jayney!



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Peppermint,

On the Ricotta:  I thought about you when I was reading about the ricotta and gatherers.  You have mentioned many times about wanting to drink more smoothies, and I have also noticed that you might have a tendency to neglect eating a healthy breakfast.   So I thought that a ricotta/super fruit smoothie might be a wonderful thing for you.

Cocoa:  Unless someone has read something to the contrary, I don't see any reason why cocoa would not be considered chocolate.  It is, after all, just fat-free chocolate.  It's easy to incorporate into other foods, adding a rich and mysterious flavor.

Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea, and I agree with you that it is more coffee-like than even Hojicha.  I'm glad you have given it a try.  You might find that you have less withdrawals from drinking it than you did on the roasted green.  (Of course, now that black Earl Grey is back in the picture, all bets are off!)  



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P.T. You might have to make turkey mole with your chocolate. Its not sweet, just an ingredient in a rich, nutty chili sauce. There're lots of recipes on the net....each cook kind of does it his or her own way. (it also ain't lo cal)

I've always been intrigued by, and wanted to try, mole.  Ever since I first heard of it by watching "The Frugal Gourmet", years ago.  I think it was on "the Frug" that I heard that...or was that the chicken dish he made using Coca-Cola in the sauce?  Anyway, suffice it to say that on some cooking show or another, I heard of the mole and have been intrigued by it ever since.  Finally:  a savory use of chocolate!  That would be a great way to incorporate the superfood of chocolate into your Gatherer diet, if you are a pup like me who doesn't really like sweets, let alone chocolate incorporated into them.  I'd rather go for a savory use.

It would also be okay in trail mix, if you could find a chip without sugar added.  I always found chocolate chips in trail mix to be an unnecessary intrusion into an otherwise fabulous trail mix...yet tolerable and somewhat interesting at times.  Now that it is a superfood for me, there would be a logic to adding it.



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Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!
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Peppermint,

On the Ricotta:  I thought about you when I was reading about the ricotta and gatherers.  You have mentioned many times about wanting to drink more smoothies, and I have also noticed that you might have a tendency to neglect eating a healthy breakfast.   So I thought that a ricotta/super fruit smoothie might be a wonderful thing for you.

Exactly, I posted a similar thought earlier in another thread (or was it this thread...our internet connection keeps going down and I'm terribly confusigated!).  All the creaminess of the banana in the smoothie, yet none of the sugar, AND some added protein and calcium.  Wee!
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Cocoa:  Unless someone has read something to the contrary, I don't see any reason why cocoa would not be considered chocolate.  It is, after all, just fat-free chocolate.

Yeah, which I think is why I like it so much more than chocolate.  It is something about the combo of such rich fat with such intense sugar in chocolate that repulses me, not to put too fine a point on it.
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Kukicha:  It has much less caffeine than other forms of green tea, and I agree with you that it is more coffee-like than even Hojicha.  I'm glad you have given it a try.  You might find that you have less withdrawals from drinking it than you did on the roasted green.  (Of course, now that black Earl Grey is back in the picture, all bets are off!)  

Oh, you got that straight.  Earl Grey!

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Twisty a little bakers chocolate or cocoa powder added at the end used to be one of my secret ingredients in making chili. Of course the other one was beer! Still don't know if I'll go back to drinking it since it is now a Nomad diamond beverage. It's been about 8 years. Of course now that beer is in chocolate is out!

Somehow, chili with a dab of chocolate and some beer added sounds very WONDERFUL right about now!

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ok i'm soooo confused...i was sure i was a nomad..now i got back my secretor status..and well i'm a nonsecretor!!! deep down i knew it but this makes me a gatherer then..and i have none of the characteristics?? so confused..so i'm remeasuring..a couple questions..for the lower leg measurement do I  measure up to the top of the bump on the outer knee or the bottom of the bump and the upper leg..the inner thigh crease or more towards the outer crease..i have so many of the nomad characteristics that now i need to be positive of my measurements
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well i read up on the measurements and i measure out as a gatherer..but what has me confused is I'm most definitely am an ectomorph..i've always had a very tiny frame..and I'm 5'9"..my upper leg is shorter than my lower..I don't even fit biometrics one bit...and I strength test for the nomad so high...I have white lines through my fingerprints...I have more than 8 ulnar loops fingerprint patterns ...I'm tall etc...deep breath...I'm obviously having a hard time accepting this.. ...I'm just a little worried about going with the gatherer now and really being a nomad..well I suppose I'll just have to see if I feel better..(positive thinking-I will feel better!!) eeek
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