I have done that.  Says that because ring fingers longer than index fingers I am hunter.  The differences between the lengths are only a couple of millimeters.  Just trying to be certain of the result.

Yeah, if you have your torso/leg ratio, your fingers ratio and your blood type and secretor status, you're all set to look yourself up. From what I understand, the bone length ratios plus bt & secretor status are the deciding factors, with all that other stuff just human variations.

Who'd've thought we'd all be making ourselves crazy measuring our fingers?
Who'd've thought it would be this tricky?!!!

I'm a type A positive secretor EXPLORER, I'm pretty sure I'm an explorer because of my lifelong intolerance to caffeine and the chemical sensitivity and detox issues I've always had..Many of the measurements lead me to Explorer, which now informs me that salmon (my high omega 3 protein staple) is an avoid for me and I must add calves liver, goat,lamb,rabbit and mutton as beneficial foods. Yes, I get to have turkey, but also emu, ostrich, partridge, pheasant, quail, squab.  I'm sorry to say this is going to be impossible to find these foods.

Most of the foods on the Explorer list don't appeal to me and I can't see myself obtaining foods that are so difficult to find....Here's my fish list ..bullhead butterfish, chub, croaker,cusk,drum, halfmoon, harvest,opaleye, sea beam, wolfish.. These are not common fish and not sure any fish monger around here sells them. I have high cholesterol...and I'm not so sure it's wise to eat calves liver nor does it sound appealing after being a semi vegetarian for
so many years..... I must also figure out how to find goose and quail eggs. The vegetables are easy to find but  I've never heard of many of the foods prescribed for my new "type"  Being a type A is far easier than being an Explorer A..  And I'm allergic to dairy proteins but should be eating ricotta and mozzarella cheese.  Only thing that slightly excited me was pine nuts and pecans now being beneficial.  Anyone ever heard of these oils I'm supposed
to be eating?  Babassu, camelina chia seed, herring oil oat oil, quinoa oil, tea seed oil?
The olive oil and hemp oil are  easy.

As for my fruits...where does one find canistel, carissa, natal plum, cloudberry, fejoa,
groundcherry, java-plum, lingonberry, mamey sapote, pawpaw, rowanberry, sapotes.

I don't know about this diet.I'm waiting for another person here to find out they too are an Explorer and see how they feel about their new food choices..  It's been 24 hours since I've read this book and I'm really REBELLING!  I also do not want to be a guinea pig.

Remember, if you don't see it listed, it's neutral and you can have it, in case any of your faves are on the new "invisible" list.
Bullhead is a catfish. Think "catfish" and the image that comes to mind is what the bullhead looks like.
Ostrich and buffalo are usually available in my large chain grocery, Stop&Shop. I love ostrich, but it's a little pricey.
I've been feeling rebellious, too, but look forward to being able to have apples, apricots, tapioca & some dairy products I couldn't on the O+ non-secretor diet.
From my perspective, this is more liberal, tho I hate losing yellowtail, which had become my favorite sashimi! Ya know, since I never had it that often anyway, I think I'll just "not" give it up, since I've only had it a few times a year anyway.
This diet will be throwing a lot of previously dietarilly unrelated folks together, and should be a whole new world! I'm going to keep an open mind as much as possible.
AND if you're hands-down allergic to something, don't eat it.

apples for nonnies ...that's what my roostersis Debra mentioned ...coz of NOT having loosed any weight....since I stopped eating my beloved apples...I DID loose...

Chloe are you sure your an Explorer? When I look at the lists I do not see that being possible with the info you mentioned (RH+ A sec.). But maybe I missed it.
Anyway, I agree that the fruits expecially are mostly things I have never even heard of. I am still going to pick and choose the foods I want, I don't feel like I have to eat everything on the list,  like it or not. You could not make me eat calf liver in a million years  

yea chloe it just might be your lucky day bc according to the advanced calculator you can't be A+ secretor and an explorer

There was no other type that even looked like it came second...AND I'm not sure whether
I have to be a non secretor and rh negative to be an explorer because the information in the book implied that if you're a slow detoxifier and have no tolerance for caffeine, you are almost
always considered to be an Explorer.  AND it's funny, as a child my mother always gave me
calves liver because I was anemic. Explorers are also considered to have problems with
iron and anemia, I think i read...I also have great longevity in my family, plus everyone looks super young for their age...even people who died in their 90s.  So, that ruled out the types that were aging quickly.  I am broad headed...my ring finger is longer than my index finger.  I am a lateral thinker and visually simultaneous and all of this applies to an Explorer..but I have not done the prop tasting nor have I done the finger printing. My torso is longer than my legs.  And I would probably consider myself to be mesomorphic according to the book.  The book says "OFTEN" non secretor and "OFTEN" rh-negative to be an Explorer but doesn't insist I be.  And Explorer can be any blood type.

So, for now, I'm not eating anything different from my type A diet until I can be more certain.
Maybe a few more pine nuts, pecans and  apples. Not giving up wild salmon just yet.

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Chloe are you sure your an Explorer? When I look at the lists I do not see that being possible with the info you mentioned (RH+ A sec.). But maybe I missed it.
Anyway, I agree that the fruits expecially are mostly things I have never even heard of. I am still going to pick and choose the foods I want, I don't feel like I have to eat everything on the list weather I like it or not. You could not make me eat calf liver in a million years  

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yea chloe it just might be your lucky day bc according to the advanced calculator you can't be A+ secretor and an explorer

Is the Advanced calculator the FINAL word on typing us?  Because if you see on  page 148
in the Genotype book where it says that under "biochemical" for the explorer that it's
"OFTEN" non secretor and "OFTEN" rh negative...I'm now confused but I would be totally rejoicing
to find out I'm clearly something other than an Explorer!

Yes Chloe I think the advanced calculator is the final word, according to my reading.  It says that it does not matter if you don't get a lot of strength testing points etc, it is your torso/leg, upper/lower leg, finger length ratios, and blood type info that tell the story.

Hi Whimsical,

Thank you for pointing out that possible discrepancy. It's back to Barnes & Nobel to check those pages again. And this after I went and
bought cottage cheese and pineapple chuncks last night. Eating the
combo seemed like a little bit of heaven. Oh well,  I might still be right......

My book is in my city post office as of yesterday, so say Amazon.
Maybe today....

Cordially,
Margaret

Hello Whimsical,
Thank God for children! My daughter pointed out to me that I was wrong in stating that you and I have the same measurements.
My Legs are longer than my torso by one+ inch and my upper leg is longer than my lower leg by about one inch, give or take, sooooo
I am indeed a "Gatherer" and my breakfast was so compliant: Lamb chops with a side of zuccini in Amy's Pasta sauce with Ricotta mixed in......now for some chocolate.
Thank you for catching my error and taking the time to let me know.

Now to go and gather some more compliant food.

Cordially,
Margaret

I just re-read the Hunter information.  I had totally skipped over the detail-oriented part of the description!  I believe being obsessed with my finger measurements, making absolutely sure that I have them right, would be classified as "detail-oriented" possibly bordering on obsessive-compulsive.

Guess I was right.  I am a Hunter.

I think being within 2-3 mm may not work for a lot of people. The difference in my fingers is 1 mm on the left and .5 mm on the right. It doesn't take much error to change my results and type.

Llyod that's my point. IF they allow 2-3 mm for error, then .5m dif would be a tie. I mean, tip length could be affected by things like water retention. I'd think if they're *that* close, that would indicate a tie. And ties go to the index finger. So consider the strength test.

My youngest is an Explorer
I am a Gatherer
My oldest and DH are both Warrior or Explorer since we know they are prob both A's but have no idea what the Rhesus is.

I think that if Beef is not listed nor listed as an avoid then it is a Nuetral right?
Jean
I need my beef.

Ostrich isn't so bad...but I know what you mean---I hate the thought of even eating Chicken or, especially, turkey!

I'll keep my (longer ring) fingers crossed for your hoped-for outcome!!  

Hey I'm overwhelmed!  Just got the book and both hubby and I are anxious to get a clue as to what we are!  Where in the book is a good place to start for a basic idea ?

thanks!

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Hey I'm overwhelmed!  Just got the book and both hubby and I are anxious to get a clue as to what we are!  Where in the book is a good place to start for a basic idea ?

thanks!

since you have your rhesus and sec status it will be easy for you. i started with watching the GTD videos on youtube and then went straight to the advanced calculator in the appendix on pg. 290. just take your measurements like it says on the videos then flip to the pg. 290 and you should get your genotype fairly easy in a couple of minutes.

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I think being within 2-3 mm may not work for a lot of people. The difference in my fingers is 1 mm on the left and .5 mm on the right. It doesn't take much error to change my results and type.

Let us put this into perspective:

  1/16 inch = 0.0625 inches
       1 mm = 0.040 inches (approx)
  1/32 inch = 0.03125 inches
     0.5 mm = 0.020 inches (approx)

  
So the difference is less than 1/16" ? Maybe only 1/32". This seems just too close to make a major lifestyle / diet decision over.
There are just too many other factors here (from water retention, pressure on the webbing, exactly how/what to measure). Given the (in)accuracy of the means of measuring (rulers, index cards, eyeball) a 2-3 mm error/tolerance band is quite reasonable.

Don't let me stop the measuring fun, but a little perspective is suggested.

Hugs
  Andrew

Quoted from Andrew

  Don't let me stop the measuring fun, but a little perspective is suggested.

I think my point is that many people will not be able to gauge which finger is longer even when the ring is measureably longer and thus cannot rely on a 'default' of the index 'winning'. If I use the logic that I can't measure that closely and therefore my index is longer, I become a Gatherer - that's what it comes down to.

With all due respect, the perspective here is not deciding that black and white is good enough when color is available.

The issue is whether or not a segment of the general public will be able to determine their GT in a reasonable fashion, given that it is a key measurment in the system. Fuzzy clusters aside, this measurement seems to be a very important key in the system. Assuming one wants optimal results, of course.

Granted, in my case both the Hunter and the Gatherer diets are O friendly, but they target different issues. Again in my case, while I am not free of Gatherer issues, my major focus areas (as I understand them and the diet at this point in time) are clearly those of the Hunter irrespective of how my fingers measure.

Boy, can I ever relate to your post, Lloyd.  I feel like a Nomad, am a B positive nonnie, have green eyes and upper leg longer than the lower, but my torso is longer than my legs and my bones are small.

My fingers test out to be as close to the same length as possible, but every few times I measure, the ring finger on one hand is slightly longer.  I'm not willing to say that I'm an explorer, since nothing about my temperment points in that direction.

Quoted from Lloyd

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The issue is whether or not a segment of the general public will be able to determine their GT in a reasonable fashion, given that it is a key measurment in the system. Fuzzy clusters aside, this measurement seems to be a very important key in the system. Assuming one wants optimal results, of course.
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Sorry, I should have expanded my "a little perspective is suggested":

My perspective was that for differences of less than 1/16" between the finger lengths, the inaccuracies of measuring overwhelm the difference in finger lengths and that no verdict can be reached regarding this rather vital question.

I think that we are closer on this than it appears. If the determination comes down to a choice based on a minute measurement (i.e. less than 1/16") then "Houston, we have a problem."

It would appear from this thread that a decision on a choice between 2 lifestyles / diets may be based on a difference of less 1/16", for something that is not easily, nor accurately measured.

I do not know the science behind this, but at this time I think that we have missed / overlooked / misinterpreted something.

Your suggestion to consider other factors when the difference between finger length is very small, is logical and well considered.

In due course, I am sure that Dr. D or Dr. Natalie will be able to clarify the situation.

Hugs
Andrew

yes, in fact, it answers many doubts
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1198956757/s-15/#num15

Great metaphores Peter uses in explaining the strenghts and weaknesses.. Indeed a great explanation! An explanation I can use to answer questions of my patients!!  

Just like the metaphor of the townhall meeting; always those 'talkative' councilmembers not leaving room for the more subdued members to 'express' themselves.. Yes!! And how you, yourself can 'programme' your silent genes to speak up!!  
Awesome!!

BTW I tasted Gouda cheese again since 8 years!! Sort of coming home....   And yoghurt again with oats, currants, Harmoniapowder, honey..  
For my Huntercompanion spelt is out now... so I have to concentrate on baking bread of buckwheat, quinoa, ground flaxseeds and teff!! Have to find a tasty combi!! I would very welcome suggestions!!

Cocky