Dr. D.'s genotype diets are rooted in the physical, proveable world, so by "abstract" I don't think he means disconnected from the material world....
Also, he developed the BTD further, not merely popularizing the diet.
I trust that he's not using us as guinea pigs - not in a bad way, anyway!
I wish I could help more!

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I wish I could help more!

This may not help either.

But at some point secretor status was added as refinement to the blood type diet. For me adding this refinement greatly increased the effectiveness of the blood type diet.  

I am looking forward to further refinements to my diet to enhance my health.  

If I did not feel that I need further improvements to my health I would just stick to the blood type diet.

Also if I do not find additional benefits from the Genotype diet after trying it for a few months, I will retrun to A nonsecretor which has greatly benefitted me(but not made 100% healthy).

here's my suggestion if you want to stay the course on your present non secretor or secretor BTD diets, you can but you have an added benefit with the Genotype diet.

If you bought the book and now know your genotype, I would look at any neutral foods on your BTD non secretor or secretor lists and see if they turn up on your Genotype super beneficial lists if they do, incorporate more of these foods in your diet...make sense?

it's like having best of both worlds

I'm about 90% sure I'm a gatherer. And I'm not happy. I quite like BTD more than GTD. For Edna and other O gatherers... beef is now netural, turkey is beneficial. Canola and spelt and blueberries and kamut and mozza are out. Cottage cheese and goat are in. Pecans and almonds are better than walnuts. Mangos are neutral. My world has been turned all topsy turvy. I spent an hour perusing the book in Chapters.

As for th strength test of my gt, I only tested "positive" you can score between 6 & 20- the higher the score, the stronger your type. I scored a measely 6.

IF memory serves me right, any O with longer index fingers in a gatherer. My indexes are barely longer, but definitely longer, and I know I am O. Otherwise, my finger prints are virtually identical- on both hands, D's 1-3 are mirrorish loops, with 4&5 are mirrorish whorls. Apparently, my mom had a virtually strees free pregnancy with me. BUT, like I said, I BARELY passed positive. Does anyone know if that means I'll be better able to handle those infrequent neutrals??? What does being a weak type mean? (Like I said, I perused the book... and once I read the DRASTIC changes in diet, I put the book down, and actually walking half in a fog through the store for a while...)

Symmetry seemed to be for nomads, but my blood says I can't be a nomad... maybe I'm just a lucky to be symmetrical gatherer?

But my mom is definitely a gatherer, my brother likely is (be interesting to test him, because his pregnancy was terrible for mom) and Dad has obviously longer ring fingers than index. Plus before he got fat, he had much more chiseled facial features.

It's interesting stuff, but I'm scrunching up my nose at applying the diet changes....

I didn't say anything about the GTD not addressing weight loss, just that I didn't think that the GTD website would only be about weight loss.

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...the right GenoType Diet will result in better health and vitality, at optimal weight.

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...I have to wonder about the food lists Dr. D gave me this April when I went to see him again - for example, on my list it says that chicken was a superbeneficial, and the GTD book says it is an avoid.  What's a girl to do? Do I follow those, or do I now follow the ones in the book?   I know there are 7.5 billion different diets out there, and maybe chicken is superbennie for ME, but I would like to know what I should eat now!

Hi there.  The GenoType diet trumps the SWAMI you received at your last visit in April.  The GenoType diet is what we are now instituting with all of our clinic patients...     Since you are pregnant your caloric intake needs change.  Also, since you are a clinic patient, please do not hesitate to call the clinic if you have a question we can help you with.  

I know for sure that my torso is longer than my legs and my upper legs are longer than lower, but...

I too have been extremely confused about my finger lengths!  At IfHI 2007, we measured by a slightly different method and my ring fingers came out clearly longer on both hands.  However, by following the method in the book, they are much closer in length to my index fingers, only about 1mm difference!  After measuring my fingers probably 100 times, it seems that my ring fingers are slightly longer, which would make me an Explorer.  I think the key is to relax your hand and to use your other hand (or someone else's hand) to do the measuring - this way you can avoid shoving the ruler down into the webbing, which I think might mess up the measurement.

Strength testing comes out very close between Explorer and Gatherer, but I think I am an Explorer.  This makes more sense for me considering I am definitely not an endomorph, rather ectomorph (at the most a meso-ecto).  I will have to remeasure and do some more reading tomorrow to be sure...

Hello Whimsical,

Are you Rh- or Rh+? I expect you are Rh+ as I am Rh- with all the same Torso/Leg measurments as yours and no matter what lengths my fingers are, it all comes out "Gatherers".

Cordially,
Margaret

Kate, glad to see another person who can relate to my 2,000 fingie measurements. I also had only a tiny difference & alot of Gatherer/Explorer mixed traits. I'm like you but I think I'm more muscular and probably shorter (& older & fatter).
This is gonna be one heck of a new adventure.

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I think the seemingly weight loss focus of the GTD website may end up being somewhat superficial and is an unfortunate result of Waterfront Media's (WF) diet website experience/history. However, be assured that Dr. D's focus is on health/disease avoidance and any and all Dr. D GTD shared knowledge, such as science articles and a GTD Ask Dr. D’Adamo section, will be on the GTD website. Therefore, the whole focus of the GTD website will not be on weight loss.

I think that WF has a learning curve to really understand the GTD/BTD way of thinking about diets and to understand the needs of the mix of types of people that will be attracted to it. Hopefully, they will learn and react quickly to input from Dr. D, Martha and her team, and the GTD website members

Thanks for your response, Don. Sounds awesome. I hope you're right and I look forward to seeing the website evolve over time to something less commercialized. I don't even mind the pay-per-week service for online genotyping and diet recommendations, etc., but for now it looks like it's only there for those who want to lose weight. I am going to give the online version a shot, though, and see what benefits there might be. Hoping that it's the next best thing to attending Dr. D's clinic personally.

I'm Rh+, Margaret, but I don't see how with all the same measurements you can come out as a Gatherer unless your index fingers are definitely longer on both hands...

Yes, many measurements and many times watching the video...  I wish the technique were a bit more precise, since even the tiniest change in pressure or position makes it nearly impossible to tell which fingers are longer on me!  

Hi Whimsical,
I looked up the advanced tables in the back of the GTD book and being Rh- made the lock. No matter how long or short my index/ring fingers measured on either hand, according to the table I was a "Gatherer".

You being an Rh+ puts you on a different place on that table but you can still go to the advanced table/test and find out. It may be that the finger length may matter in your case.

Cordially,
Mary

Victoria, maybe you could simplify?  Instead of a ruler, try an index card and let me know how that goes for you!    Also, go from the crease at the base of the finger instead of trying to gauge how hard to prses down into the web.  One more, if they are both the same length, then the index finger wins.  

get this: my left index finger is so crooked from arthritis that it seems shorter, but I think it wasn't  originally...... how's that for a dilemna????

Got my book today! I'm a Hunter. The finger print thing was the weirdest of all for me. I read the entire book in like an hour, then ran out to buy a stamp pad for finger prints. I've been doing ER4YT for years (not perfectly). I've tried from time to time to give up gluten. It's so hard! I go for weeks at a time and my body tells me it's not good when I eat bread. Anyway, this book comes and I start reading...I get to the finger print part and the white lines in your finger prints?? All 10 of my prints showed up with lots of white lines. So now I know and went shopping for rice flour. All in all, this is what I needed to kick me in the butt. I have to just say no to bread now.

Has anyone else noticed there are more food choices with genotype??

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Hi Whimsical,
I looked up the advanced tables in the back of the GTD book and being Rh- made the lock. No matter how long or short my index/ring fingers measured on either hand, according to the table I was a "Gatherer".

You being an Rh+ puts you on a different place on that table but you can still go to the advanced table/test and find out. It may be that the finger length may matter in your case.

Cordially,
Mary

That's the table I'm using...  So your torso is longer and your upper leg is longer?  And you are an O- non-secretor.  If so, and you used the tables on page 290/291, then I read that the only thing that puts you in the Gatherer category is that your index fingers are longer on both hands.  Any other finger length puts you as an Explorer.  I think we must be looking at different tables!

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Victoria, maybe you could simplify?  Instead of a ruler, try an index card and let me know how that goes for you!    Also, go from the crease at the base of the finger instead of trying to gauge how hard to prses down into the web.  One more, if they are both the same length, then the index finger wins.  

Good idea about the index card - I held one between the fingers and just made marks where they came to and it does show that my ring finger is about 1mm (or less!) longer...  

At IfHI, we measured on the palm side of the hand from the crease, but I'm assuming the instructions were changed for a reason?  Maybe just to make things simpler.

Whimsical...so do you think going from the palm side where the finger creases is incorrect..because then my ring fingers are longer..or if I go between the fingers from the webbing like it shows in the book, my index fingers are longer...I'm so confused..and this is the determining factor for me  

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Whimsical...so do you think going from the palm side where the finger creases is incorrect..because then my ring fingers are longer..or if I go between the fingers from the webbing like it shows in the book, my index fingers are longer...I'm so confused..and this is the determining factor for me  

I know, I am confused too...  Since the book and video both demonstrate going from between, I think that is more correct.  If you are in doubt, you can strength test each Genotype to see which fits you best and also read the descriptions.  

I strength test out pretty evenly between Gatherer and Explorer, but a bit higher for Explorer and reading the descriptions makes me think Explorer.  Combine all that with my ambiguous, possibly longer ring finger and I think I will settle on Explorer.

I think you go from the side just like the book says and the video agrees, but make sure you go from the crease line when measuring from the side.  You can do both!



Include the rounded top of the finger.  I think that's one reason not to do it from the palm side...more likely to not count the whole tip.

The way I have been measuring my fingers is with a see through 30cm ruler.  Makes it easy because I can hold my fingers together, slide it in between, hold my hand up to a window or other light, and just slightly move the middle finger to get it out of the way.  Then I can see the very tip right up against the little mm lines.  I found that when fingers are together, the webbing is not really a factor.  I just make sure the pressure is equal for each measurement.

Having said that this is a great method, it has not made me any less obsessive about measuring my fingers a million times!   No matter what they measure though, the ratios are always the same.  So...I really need to stop measuring now. *lol*  Esp since the only I could be different is if I messed up my leg measurements too...and even then there is only ONE scenario that would make me something else.

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Hi there.  The GenoType diet trumps the SWAMI you received at your last visit in April.  The GenoType diet is what we are now instituting with all of our clinic patients...  

I think this is an important point. Are all past SWAMI reports no longer accurate? I thought SWAMI had been updated to include GenoType data......

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SWAMI 1.6 (as is) was a junctional tool to span the gap between BTD and GTD. It also allowed us (in the clinic) to codify and analyze data from many individual cases. With other tools (the DDE; The Individualist; the ambrosial data tables) it was the bedrock behind the GTD.

As far as utility is concerned, I can only tell you what we are doing in the clinic, and that is, we are GenoTyping folks and supplying them with the GTD book. As Don said, there is a SWAMI GenoType about halfway complete (I'm looking at the code right now), so in time, we will migrate to that. However, the GTD book is a more powerful system than the current version of SWAMI.

However, the person who ran SWAMI on you will be supplied a code that will allow them to upgrade your printout to SWAMI GenoType when that is operational.

I too am glad to see others who are still re-measuring the fingers.  I haven't been able to do the fingerprinting stuff yet. The finger length determines hunter/gatherer for me.  Just a couple of millimeter difference between the two.    Right now it looks like hunter, since most of the measurements lean that way.  My body type fits more with gatherer though as I am short and large-boned.

sluggerbean...are you planning on doing the fingerprinting because since your an O+ secretor and you already have done your other measurements...you can just flip to the back of the book to the advanced calculator