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Devora
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How will I survive until I get my hands on the GTD??? (And complete testing!  My body is fouled up!  I am a mess.

My D4 ring finger is longer on both hands!  STRESS!  I always felt I was masculine in many ways, but now I have the proof!  Eek!  Stress!  I suppose it is somewhat common.  Still.



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For one... you must make sure you are measuring accurately.

And... my ring finger is longer on both hands and I do not consider myself all that masculine. Plus, I never had any fertility problems that are associated with this... unless keeping from getting pregnant is classified as a fertility problem...  



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does anyone know what the proper way of measuring the fingers is?
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Watch the video.


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Quoted from Devora
How will I survive until I get my hands on the GTD??? (And complete testing!  My body is fouled up!  I am a mess.

My D4 ring finger is longer on both hands!  STRESS!  I always felt I was masculine in many ways, but now I have the proof!  Eek!  Stress!  I suppose it is somewhat common.  Still.

My D2 and D4 fingers seem to be the exact same length as each other.  Weirdness.  Tie goes to the index finger, per the video.



When I just eyeball it, the ring fingers appear just a whisker taller.  But upon measuring them (sans "friend", which turns out might have been a help with the ring fingers!), they are basically identical.  Each digit is just shy of 3" tall.


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now i have to worry about my fingers?
Sure you made me look and my pointers are not the same! One hand has it shorter then the other.
Oh well I will chek it all out when the book gets here. I can't be any stranger then I already (and others) think I am.
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Nose and ears are two body parts that never stop growing.

Here's the link to the video on measuring fingers, but keep abreast of all the new info from Dr. D'Adamo's blog!

Measuring:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65qdAvuNjsc

Blog:  http://www.dadamo.com/wordpress/?paged=2
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On my left hand, my index finger (d2) is significantly longer than my ring finger (d4).  On my right hand, my index finger is only slightly longer than my ring finger.  

My right hand ring finger is longer than my left hand ring finger.  My left hand index finger is longer than my right hand index finger.

Wow!
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Correction!
Measured again in the morning... Both my D2's are definitely a little longer than my D4's    

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Quoted from Kristin
For one... you must make sure you are measuring accurately.

And... my ring finger is longer on both hands and I do not consider myself all that masculine. Plus, I never had any fertility problems that are associated with this... unless keeping from getting pregnant is classified as a fertility problem...  



Me too - on both hands are my ringfinger a few mm longer than indexfinger- however the difference is biggest on lefthand (Im righthanded)
I got pregnant VERY easy  



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finger length measures the amount of androgen and estrogen you received in utero


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We'll have kid tables in due time. In the meantime, I'll publish a patch that uses blood type and the strength-testing components to let parents have some sort of insight.


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I'm having a hard time with the finger thing. I measured from the crease, trying to use consistent pressure each time and my ring fingers are just a hair longer (they definitely appear longer when I hold my hand up). I also measured by bending my fingers so the finger would create a 90 degree angle with my palm and measured from the back of my palm to the tip of my finger (so basically incorporating that joint in the measurement). Ring finger definitely longer. Can anyone confirm or deny that this is a good way to verify which finger is longer? This seems less subjective than going from the crease and the difference -- at least for me -- was more significant and, therefore, more trustworthy. I still put in measurements from the crease into my calculations; I just used this to confirm which finger is longer.


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I would use the method as outlined in the book and shown in the video. If you cannot clearly tell that the ring finger is longer (a measureable amount)then you should treat the index as longer. If you use a mm scale it may be easier to tell if there is a clear difference.

Also, if you have arthritis or are older I would lean towards the index longer for that reason as the fingers get displaced.
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Quoted from kate4975
... I measured from the crease, trying to use consistent pressure each time and my ring fingers are just a hair longer (they definitely appear longer when I hold my hand up)...


This is the same for me. But I have finally accepted that my ring fingers are a tiny bit longer than my pointers. Thank goodness for the video and pix in the book.


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My ring finger is longer on the left, but the index finger is slightly longer on the right.  I found out earlier this year that I was adopted.  I think it would be fair to guess that my mother was probably stressed during her pregnancy.  I was also very low birth weight of 5 pounds although at term.  This is all tying in nicely with my gatherer genotype and ease of gaining weight now.  The descriptions of hypoglycemia, not feeling that great after losing weight and being exercise challenged all fit me to a T.  This is all very interesting.  I'm already wishing for the next book to expand on this one.


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Cheryl, you might want to check. Asymetry is a sign of Explorers. Of course that might depend on your other measurements.
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Cheryl, you might want to check. Asymetry is a sign of Explorers. Of course that might depend on your other measurements.


Actually if you look at the advanced charts at the back of the book and scan down the category where the hands are asymmetrical, all 6 of the types are represented.  There are some of us asymmetricals in every type.


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Cheryl, you might want to check. Asymetry is a sign of Explorers. Of course that might depend on your other measurements.


I think hunters or explorers were the only other possibilities with my blood type, but my long torso and longer lower legs put me into the gatherer type.  Longer lower legs are also not a perfect fit for gatherers, but it's the overall profile.  I just got the book yesterday.  I really do need to do a careful remeasuring and probably let someone else do the measuring, but the differences on the torso/leg and leg measurements were pretty clear.

I'm pretty sure I'm a non-taster, but will buy a kit to double check that.   The other thing I need to do is the fingerprint testing.  The quizzes are a problem for me since I am adopted, I don't know about family history, so I have to rely on the other measures.

I'm not making any big changes though until I've rechecked all the measurements.  Most of the foods that are now on the toxin list for me were a little harder to find anyway, so in most cases it won't be that big of a change.

The fish choices for gatherers are much easier to find, although I'll miss the rainbow trout.



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Hi Cheryl,

Great to see you here again. I missed your participation.  

Based on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables your Genotype is 100% confirmed if you have your blood type, Rh, secretor status and your torso, leg, and finger length measurements.

You don't need the other measurements and data points to determine your GT. All they will do is help you determine how well you match the typical characteristics of your GT.


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Standard blood test, about 10$ (give or take). Finger prick will do. Do it yourself, order online or pick up at a pharmacy.
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If I measure my ring and index fingers from the flap of skin, the ring finger is just a hair longer than index.  If I measure from the little divot where the third finger bone meets the knuckle, the difference is more than a centimeter (ring finger is much longer).

Hunter and explorer genotypes fit me to a T (strength testing); gatherer, not at all.

Am I crazy?




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misspudding   you are not  the only one going crazy over finger lengths....there are alot of people out there with scraps of paper, rulers, measuring tapes, etc. foaming at the mouth by the light of the moon........
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Thanks, jayneeo.

Oh well...I guess even a hair (in my case, about 1 mm), is enough to make me a hunter/explorer.  So, I'll stick with that for now.  Unless I hear otherwise...




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Quoted from misspudding
Oh well...I guess even a hair (in my case, about 1 mm), is enough to make me a hunter/explorer.

You might want to read this post by Dr. D.



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This finger business is veddy interestin'...

I don't need a ruler...I can tell the length difference by just loking at my hands...it is pronounced...so what now...

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I don't need a ruler...I can tell the length difference by just loking at my hands...it is pronounced...so what now...

Realize that the palm is rounded so it can distort your perception about what finger is actually longer. You might want to measure as shown to be sure.

Looking at my hand my ring fingers look longer, but when I measure my index fingers are actually longer.




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Don..I pressed my palm on table and put other hand on top and pressed down hard..I still don't need a ruler..thanx...ruthie


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Ruthie - all my life I thought my ring fingers were longer, but lo & behold, it looks like in one hand the index is slightly longer when measuring! It's freaky!
Until I get the kit & get a friend to help, it looks like I am a hunter, but barely!
The secondary characteristics are more gatherer & explorer-like, though, which is confusing - e.g.left handed/no caffiene.

Maybe in 50 years, they will discover nuances about the GTs for folks like me. Meanwhile the hunter diet looks simpler to keep except that lettuce & tomato, basics of the Amercian diet will become less frequent.
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Don..I pressed my palm on table and put other hand on top and pressed down hard..I still don't need a ruler..thanx...ruthie

I am talking about the palm being rounded across where the fingers attach. That is why you need to measure.


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MrsT...I wear glasses and see well.  I never ever gave a thought as to length of fingers before.  There have been way tooo many other more important things to consider.
I kept fingers together and pressed down hard...I spread fingers as far as possible and pressed down hard...
It is still easy to see difference in length.
I will wait til book arrives at local library.  I asked it to be ordered, and librarian complied; and I have it on 'hold'.
Maybe there is an unusual way to measure.
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It is still easy to see difference in length.

Maybe there is an unusual way to measure.

I am not saying that you might not be able to tell just by looking if your finger difference is really big, just that the safe thing to do is to measure.

You can watch the finger measuring video Dr. D made and posted in his blog and on YouTube.


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Thank you Don for the link...
cause I was thinking that seeing is not believing.

By measuring...it is what I am able to see.

I guess I got too much female hormones in the womb.

Is that why I could get pregnant with my husband hanging his pants on the end of the bed?  That's what he used to joke.

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Quoted from Don
Hi Cheryl,

Great to see you here again. I missed your participation.  

Based on the Advanced GenoType Calculator tables your Genotype is 100% confirmed if you have your blood type, Rh, secretor status and your torso, leg, and finger length measurements.

You don't need the other measurements and data points to determine your GT. All they will do is help you determine how well you match the typical characteristics of your GT.


Thanks Don!  The fingerprint info in the book was pretty interesting.  It looks like it can give some hints as to disease risk.  I tried last night but didn't have the right quality of paper.  Of course I have lots of lines and barely discernible fingerprints, so will have to work on the fingerprinting to get the best info.

I thought about you when I read the section about IR saunas for detoxing.  I think you were looking into that.


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Quoted from Cheryl_O_Blogger
Thanks Don!  The fingerprint info in the book was pretty interesting.  It looks like it can give some hints as to disease risk.  I tried last night but didn't have the right quality of paper.  Of course I have lots of lines and barely discernible fingerprints, so will have to work on the fingerprinting to get the best info.

I thought about you when I red the section about IR saunas for detoxing.  I think you were looking into that.

I just used a magnifying glass to examine my families fingerprints

Yes, I looked into IR saunas for awhile, but decided against them because of all the electromagnetic radiation from all the electric heating elements.



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You can also just use a piece of cardstock, like a recipe card, to eyeball it, and put a mark for each finger's length.  On my husband it was obvious enough that his ring fingers are longer by 1/8 to 1/4 inch.  The important thing is to measure them both with the ruler or index card positioned as in the video (note which fingers it is placed between), with your fingers somewhat relaxed so you don't push it up with the webbing by your knuckles.  As long as you do them pretty much the same way, you'll be able to tell if the ring finger is longer.


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I did my original measurements with my eye ball which was all screwed up.I recently got my wife to help me measure and got a lot of different results.The odd thing is that I am all things masculine except the finger length,and they came out a tie,which makes me a gatherer.I was bummed at first but the diet seems to already be working much better than the BTD.
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This finger measuring was driving me crazy.  I was told I had webbed fingers and did not believe it till now!  I could not get one measurement that was the same as the last one.

Finally, I just laid my hand on the desk, palm side up and measured the fingers from the base finger crease by the palm.  It helps that my ruler was a clear, colored one.  Seems both my index fingers are longer, but just by a hair.


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Well after being pretty rigid on the diet for almost 5 days now and having a final 2-1/2 days of inflammation flareups, burping after almost every meal, gas, and now finally tummy getting swollen up like a barrel and constipation with a final struggle to pass what ended up being diarreha, I felt something was not right.  Something felt very off.

So I sat and spent careful time measuring and marking on the ruler my finger measurements 4 times tonight.  Studied the instructions more carefully in the book and watched You-Tube again.  Turns out I have been very wrong.

My ring fingers are visably longer than my index fingers (on the ruler); and with my other measurements all intact I went to the advanced calculator and no matter what way I try to spell it, I fall into the Hunter category.  

So really be careful with your measurements.
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The same thing happened to me funkymuse...at first I wasn't measuring with a two-sided ruler so my fingers appeared to be the same length but when I looked more carefully using a two-sided ruler with darker lines so I could see better, my ring finger is clearly longer than my index finger.  One mistake I was doing was expecting to see a length difference in "inches" but when realizing that a few cm's could make all the difference in the world I saw the difference so clearly.  I measured over & over again & it's for real...my ring finger is definitely longer by 2+ cm's.  I was so frustrated because I fit the description of a Hunter so strongly but I kept coming up as a Gathererer. So to all who are measuring...be very careful & precise so you are sure to get it right.
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Right on Rex... Now I feel 'right' again!  ha...

I told myself and others have said... just try it!  And so I thought, yes that's right and if it's not right, well I'm sure to know it!  The body DOES NOT lie!  
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Quoted from Rex
I measured over & over again & it's for real...my ring finger is definitely longer by 2+ cm's.

I assume you mean 2+ mm, not cm, because 2+ cm is almost an inch.

I found an easy way to measure your ring fingers your myself is to put the ruler between your middle and ring finger with the measurement lines facing the ring finger then hold your hand up to a bathroom mirror. That makes it very easy to read the measurement accurately yourself.



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Oh, so frustrated!!  It seems like it changes every, single time I do this!!  Argh!!!

(Floppy finger webbing...)


Me too ... grrrrrrr
At first I thought both my index fingers were identical and longer than my ring fingers ... yesterday I tried measuring again and although it still looks like the index fingers r longer and ring fingers slightly shorter ... my index and ring finger on the right hand seem slightly longer than the left hand fingers  
Frustrating ...  
I keep having to change Genotypes  
Right now I'm working on a list that fit all three till I get it right or till I do my secretor test ... we'll see in time ... patience is a virtue ...  


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My D4 ring finger is longer on both hands!  STRESS!  I always felt I was masculine in many ways, but now I have the proof!  Eek!  Stress!  I suppose it is somewhat common.  Still.

It was my understanding that the relative length of ring and index fingers was about the hormones you were exposed to in the womb.  I didn't get the impression that it had any bearing on your masculinity or femininity.  

I know a tall slender woman with VERY long fingers.  Her hands are so striking I can clearly picture her hand; the ring finger is about the length of her middle finger, probably a centimeter longer than her index finger.  She is a kind balanced woman who I would consider feminine and a pleasure to know.  
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No one is completely masculine or feminine. I am a woman, but have a lot of typical masculine interests. I also wear men's jeans as I am built that way. Actually, I think most women wear men's jeans, so maybe that's not a good example.
But emotionally, I am very feminine. All of us have some of both, but are more one or the other. Any other feedback out there?


I just did my fingerprints, but couldn't see them too well. I did have a good amount of lines.  Could it also mean I washed a lot of dishes in my life & wash my hands many times a day?
I think 4 of them match, so that's another hunter thing.
Maybe I better get to the police station !!
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Quoted from Mrs T O+
No one is completely masculine or feminine. I am a woman, but have a lot of typical masculine interests. I also wear men's jeans as I am built that way. Actually, I think most women wear men's jeans, so maybe that's not a good example.
But emotionally, I am very feminine. All of us have some of both, but are more one or the other. Any other feedback out there?


Absolutely. I always tease my husband that he's the woman in our relationship because he's a lot more sensitive, affectionate and irrational than I am! And he's the one who wants flower gardens in the yard while I'm planning vegetable beds.



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Try get your hands on this book: 'Why men don't listen and women can't read maps' by Barbara and Alan Pease (not quite sure if I have the title word perfect- it's a while since I read it).

Apparently a person's femininity/ masculinity is determined while in uterus (sound familiar?)- the book contains a test/ scale that lets you see exactly where you fit.

If nothing else, it will make you lough out loud!
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You got the title exactly right, Yvonne -- here's the book on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Lis.....200431467&sr=1-2

This sounds really interesting!  (But I can read maps just fine, thank you -- though I don't walk around talking while I brush my teeth.)  Will have to get a look at this book!


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I think I've got all my measurments right except for my fingers,  I'am guessing there fairly close and going with a tie(which means longer index for the charts)

So I guess I'l go explore the explorer diet  


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Hey, I'm a good map reader & an tired of hearing that women are bad at math!  Men can't remember simple numbers like anniversaries, but we women can! Hee Hee!
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This may be tmi, but I often wonder if the reason we women are able to keep track of dates better, because we have a regular occurence every month so it's almost like we have something to guage things by. I mean, I can tell you the date I last had my nails done, saw a certain friend, was at the mall, saw a client, etc. etc., without ever checking my datebook...

But I will say I'm terrible at math and hate it. And I can read a map, but give me a compass and I can't for whatever reason ever get an accurate bearing.
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I feel like a nube asking all these measuring questions, sorry..

When you look at my friend's hands, her ring fingers are obviously longer than her index, which makes her a hunter.. and she fits almost ALL of the strength tests for hunters.

Problem is, when I get out the ruler, as shown on the videos/instructions, because of the webbing b/n her fingers, it measures clearly that her index fingers are longer.  And makes her a gatherer... which I really don't think she is.  

Any advice?


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You can't go by looks alone due to the curve of the palm. You should go by the measurements. Just be absolutely certain that you are putting consistent pressure on the webbing. One poster suggested making a color copy of each hand and measuring from that. I strength tested almost equally for Hunter and Nomad but, as a B, there's no way I could be a Hunter so the strength-testing is more anecdotal than anything. Others (I think Lloyd?) have also indicated that they strength test stronger for a different type than their measurements indicate.


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Choose a consistent 'starting place'. The suggested way is to measure from the crease, which will give a consistent result.
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My ring fingers look longer also, until I measure them.  I was very strong for hunter and gatherer, slightly stronger for hunter, but definite positive (15+) on both.  How does she score on gatherer strength testing?  If it's clear upon measuring, then the strength testing doesn't matter, though it is interesting.  Make sure her hand is relaxed, not purposefully fanning the fingers out, when you measure, that way the webbing shouldn't be an issue.

The gatherer diet is definitely working out for me.  You couldn't convince me to be a hunter if you tried! Some of the gatherers certainly look more like hunters.  I'm not quite one of them, as I have some baby weight to lose, but I'm certainly not a stereotypical gatherer.  


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I thought you were supposed to keep the fingers extended all the way and tense so the webbing would be stretched tight and not matter- as opposed to being relaxed and malleable...
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Here is a thing on fingers I came across.

Fingers and talent

Article is marked USA Today though I noticed it on Yahoo.





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Just be absolutely certain that you are putting consistent pressure on the webbing. One poster suggested making a color copy of each hand and measuring from that.


If it's important that you put consistent pressure on the webbing, you can't photocopy and measure. I did it both ways and to be truthful, I'm still confused. I think I'm a Hunter, but I'm not sure. And I agree, it shouldn't be this hard. I was so frustrated yesterday, because I came up w/ different measurements over and over again. Including from the ones that my friend did.  How much importance does THIS test play in which type you are?

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The suggested way is to measure from the crease, which will give a consistent result.


What is considered the crease? From the video, it looks like they are measuring the way I measured, yet I keep getting all these different measurements and I guess it's from the different ways I'm holding my hand.  Ughhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

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I thought you were supposed to keep the fingers extended all the way and tense so the webbing would be stretched tight and not matter- as opposed to being relaxed and malleable...


So, if you are supposed to measure w/ the webbing tight, then you wouldn't be pushing down to a solid spot w/ the ruler, you would start where the webbing is? Right? But which way is right?



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If it is that hard, the index finger is longer. Dr. D indicates that when the ring finger is longer it is obvious. If fingers are close enough in length that you need to keep remeasuring, you should consider the index finger to be longer when determining a genotype.



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Dr. D [/url]indicates that when the ring finger is longer it is obvious.


My ring finger is longer, it's just that my measurements on each finger will be different if I re-measure. I guess I'm just being too picky .........thanks.



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My ring finger is longer, it's just that my measurements on each finger will be different if I re-measure. I guess I'm just being too picky .........thanks.


As long as your ring finger is consistently longer, that's all that matters, whether it's be 1 mm or 5. I also got slightly different measurements each time I measured but my D4 was always longer--it's the proportion that matters, not the actual number.

I didn't try the photocopying myself but if you do it with your fingers just slightly spread and start from where the webbing on the copy starts, that should work. It should be equally tense between both fingers as long as the spacing is equal. I also measured from the bottom "crease", just to put my mind at ease because I too had some struggles with how close the measurements were sometimes. By the bottom crease I mean, when you are looking at your palm, measure from the crease that indicates where your finger bends.



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How do you decide which Genotype you are when fingers on both hands are equal in length? My torso is 34" and my lower  leg is 15" upper leg 14" combined 29" - I am a confused Gatherer at the moment - is the the true Genotype for me?
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Hi speedy,

If your index fingers are equal in length to those of ring fingers in both hands, then you are a Gatherer.

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Thanks so much Yaman - there has been much debate over this! now I can finaly give up the idea of being a Hunter and get on with being
a Gatherer - still clearing out all the foods at the moment then a visit to the daughter and THEN the start of the 3 - 6 months - can't wait! Best wishes to all others and good luck with the journey
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Wait! Aren't the leg lengths the total leg lengths, not the addition of the 2 sections. There should be a few more inches there. Did you measure as the book said?
Sit in a chair, etc.......
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Have looked at this again - and again - and again! I find subtracting my torso length of 34" from my standing height of 5Ft 6" or 66" is  32" which is still lower than the torso length of 34" so is this still a Gatherer? - I understand it is - thanks for picking up on that though Mrs T - Best  Wishes to all
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I had a more clear result when I placed my hands on a flat surface (table). I also filed my nails on both hands, even though they were already short to begin with. This seemed to help: placing something with a firm straight line to it (a pin box in my case) against the tip of the finger bisecting the ruler, or you could use a second ruler, to help focus your eyes, otherwise it is hard to tell exactly where the tip ends. We also used a popsicle stick and drew marks on it with a thin tipped felt pen, and measured those. Much easier.
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