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HouseofDavid
Tuesday, July 8, 2014, 8:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi all,

I am new to this forum and am having some ongoing medical issues. I'm hoping there is acquired wisdom out there that can help, and that maybe my experience can help someone else.

I am type O+ and have been following the diet for just over three years, but with some exceptions: daily coffee with half and half, gluten free chips and crackers with corn and/or potato flours, and daily consumption of wine (not in amounts considered excessive).

About 17 months ago during flu season, my 'cold' turned into vertigo, inability to concentrate (foggy headedness), chronic sore throat, swollen glands, inner ear ache/pressure, and fatigue.

I won't go into the details of the whole saga, but suffice it to say that the general practitioners were puzzled, and the Ear Nose Throat specialists were a bit hostile and diagnosed only the vertigo because they 'didn't care' about the sore throat or glands.

The symptoms ebb and flow, with flare-ups that keep me in bed, and lighter symptoms that I can work through, but I've not been fully free of them since it started. I now also have joint pain in the right hand and intermittent blurred peripheral vision.

I should also mention that just before this all happened, I had started having an evening vodka cocktail instead of wine, about 5 days a week. (Again not in excess, but also not good for type O's).

I am currently seeing a naturopath who determined that my body was so tired and my immune system so over-wrought that it was having an allergic-like resistance to Vitamin B, all sugars (even fructose) and yeast. She has treated me with acupressure and I can now eat fruit without a reaction so this part seems to have worked.

However, I still have all the symptoms. They all seem to point to some sort of auto-immune disorder.

My question is could this all have come as a result of not keeping strictly to the diet?

I am currently eliminating all high-lectin foods (grains, legumes, dairy, nightshades) to see if this helps, especially as the type O diet doesn't contain many of these foods anyway.

Any experience others have had with similar issues? (especially the O's out there?)

I just read about the Genotype diet and SWAMI and am considering whether one of these may be helpful, so any thoughts on that would be great.

Thanks so much, and so glad to have this forum!

Megan


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Someone will come along with suggestions for you, but I would like to say here that what your Naturopath said is akin to "chickens coming home to roost"  Yes, our bodies can only take so much before things start grinding to a halt. For some, sooner rather than later. Whether or not your specific problem can be alleviated with diet, It will certainly expedite things to be as compliant as possible.

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Since you have seen an ENT I will assume it isn't sinus infection/congestion.
Not sure what, if anything, is being done for the swollen glands/sore throat.

One possibility is candida/yeast overgrowth, which fits many of the symptoms.
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HouseofDavid
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Hi,

thanks for the replies. Yes, the chickens have come home, I agree.

I developed Candidiasis in 1997, due to consuming massive amounts of wheat gluten as part of a vegetarian diet. This experience is part of what ultimately led me to the blood type diet.

I hadn't considered that as an issue now since I don't eat wheat gluten, and because my current symptoms aren't all the same (some are similar) as they were then, but perhaps the corn/potato flours in the gluten free products, and daily wine consumption can produce a yeast overgrowth in an O?


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I truly do not want to sound harsh, but with the long list of things you posted that you've been eating (- not just the disastrous coffee, cream, corn/potato flours and vodka cocktails, but the nightshade plants and etc.) you really can't say you've been following the ER diet.  

This is not a personal slam at you - please understand that.  All too many people "play with" the diet and then wonder why they are still having serious health problems.  My personal feeling is that there really is not much point in paying for a SWAMI report and food list if you are not being totally complaint with the original BTD.

I wish you well and am hoping that you will find the strength to actually follow the ER diet as it is written.  Not "80%" - because that won't do anything for you if you are as sick as you sound.  But give it your all for just 2 months and see the difference it can make for you.  

The reason I say 2 months is that I put my 94 year old father (who had serious health problems including vertigo) on the ER diet and in just THREE WEEKS he was like a whole new person.  It really and truly CAN WORK if you follow it faithfully!



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HouseofDavid
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Ginny,

You weren't too harsh, its ok. I was honest about the inconsistencies because I wondered if they were the culprit.

I will correct you on one thing, though. My intention was not to play with the diet. I take it seriously. My diet has been meat and vegetable-based as is fitting for an O. I think my error was in misjudging the cumulative effects of the unfriendly foods and in thinking I was being true to the 80% standard (which even if I met it., may not be strict enough for my system.)

I agree with you that I need to be strictly compliant with the basic diet before going to SWAMI.

I'm so happy to hear about your father!


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Ginny,

You weren't too harsh, its ok. I was honest about the inconsistencies because I wondered if they were the culprit.

I will correct you on one thing, though. My intention was not to play with the diet. I take it seriously. My diet has been meat and vegetable-based as is fitting for an O. I think my error was in misjudging the cumulative effects of the unfriendly foods and in thinking I was being true to the 80% standard (which even if I met it., may not be strict enough for my system.)

I agree with you that I need to be strictly compliant with the basic diet before going to SWAMI.

I'm so happy to hear about your father!


Thank you so much for understanding my reason for writing.  Yes, those extra things can really hurt you big time.  ONCE, I grabbed a shelf pack of "organic chicken broth" that was a different brand.  I didn't take time to read all the ingredients.  

It was the day after I used it when I was in pain practically all over (not the norm for me anymore) that I went back and read that there was a little bit of potato starch in that broth. Just that tiny bit of potato did a real number on me.  That was an excellent lesson!  Unfriendly foods truly are unfriendly!

Best wishes for now and the future.  



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try a secretor test first

you sound like a nonnie


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Quoted from Lola
try a secretor test first

you sound like a nonnie


Pardon my question, does this mean non-secretor?

I just read about secretor status on this site, because I have also been eating goat cheese and mozzarella, which depending on secretor may not be good.

I have been using the actual hard cover, original book as my reference guide. I'm finding now on the website that there have been some changes in the status of some foods since it was published.


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Megan--So glad you found the forum.  This forum is a blessing as well as a treasure trove of information/wisdom composed of extremely caring individuals.

As Lola says--finding out your secretor status is imperative when you are as sick as you are.  And when we come to the ER way with health issues--80% falls about 20% short.    

There's no doubt in my mind that you can make this work.  It's kind of human nature to see what we can get away with from time to time.  You body has told you--no cheating.   

Wishing you all the best on your journey and welcome to the forum.
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Since you have seen an ENT I will assume it isn't sinus infection/congestion.
Not sure what, if anything, is being done for the swollen glands/sore throat.

One possibility is candida/yeast overgrowth, which fits many of the symptoms.


I just refreshed my research and memory on Candidiasis and, even though some of my symptoms are different now than when I was diagnosed with thrush, I certainly see how it could simply be manifesting in a slightly different way now.

I also just experienced a reaction to eating a peach ( a neutral for O's)

Big sigh. I think its a Candida cleanse and diet for me now.

You guys have been great. I will definitely post an update.


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Quoted from HouseofDavid
I developed Candidiasis in 1997, ...
... but perhaps the corn/potato flours in the gluten free products, and daily wine consumption can produce a yeast overgrowth in an O?


Quoted from Pg. 67 of ER4YT
The nightshade vegetables, such as eggplant and potatoes, cause arthritic conditions in Type Os because the lectins deposit in tissues around the joints.

Corn lectins affect the production of insulin, often leading to diabetes and obesity.

I think anything that affects the production or efficient use of insulin can assist candida overgrowth.  Also, the avoid lectins affect the microbiome and surface integrity of the gut such that digestion and nutrient absorption can be compromised.  This can also contribute to the immune system being unable to control candida growth.



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I'm about to start my Candida cleanse and then the diet.

I cross-referenced the suggested fiber supplements (for use during the initial cleanse of the GI tract) with O friendly foods and it looks like I will have to ad hoc my own out of flaxseed. (The suggested supplements contained things like psyllium and acacia).

I have both flaxseed, and flaxseed meal. Any experience with making a drinkable concoction out of these, and which texture is better?

megan


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I have both flaxseed, and flaxseed meal. Any experience with making a drinkable concoction out of these, and which texture is better?

I haven't tried doing what you propose.

I think it would be much easier to get meal to mix with a liquid and remain suspended, although, the flaxseed meal is going to start absorbing liquid and making it "gummy" as soon as it is mixed in.  I think it would take less meal than whole as the exposed fiber should be more in the meal.  

If you try to use whole seeds, I'm not sure how quickly the flaxseed skins are digested to expose the fiber inside.


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I haven't tried doing what you propose.

I think it would be much easier to get meal to mix with a liquid and remain suspended, although, the flaxseed meal is going to start absorbing liquid and making it "gummy" as soon as it is mixed in.  I think it would take less meal than whole as the exposed fiber should be more in the meal.  

If you try to use whole seeds, I'm not sure how quickly the flaxseed skins are digested to expose the fiber inside.


I tried the flaxseed meal in water and it worked. There is a brief period of time before the meal becomes gummy in the water, especially if the ratio is right.


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Yes, flax meal will work in water, as you have found. I have some in a drink every morning! The trick is to get the whole thing down ASAP! I use chia seed, hemp seed, flax seed meal, Dr. D's protein powder, etc.. I grind my own flax seed. I think you will see a difference in how you feel very quickly.


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Well, my candida test came back positive, meaning I have a yeast overgrowth. Lloyd and ABJoe, aren't you smarties!  

I have already started a vegetable cleanse and am feeling so much better already. I also discovered the recipe index on this site which is incredibly helpful for sticking with the diet and not feeling constricted.

Next step is weaning my six year old off of the avoids and onto full compliance.

Thanks so much everyone, again.


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the O nonnies are the hardest to get  back  on track ....I remembered Debra once upon the time (she's from Canada) when she visited me in 2006 ...


You're simply going to leave it at that? Tell me about O-nons, because I really think I am one.


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