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slk7387
Monday, July 7, 2014, 8:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Why is salmon now a neutral when it was once a beneficial (or so I thought).

Does anyone see the benefit of sockeye vs atlantic?  


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Hi slk, Atlantic refers to a species of salmon. It is most often the farmed variety. Sockeye is (I believe) always wildcaught. Salmon go through particular changes in their physiology as they mature, and farming denies them these changes. The result is that the greatest benefits of eating salmon are drastically reduced. Beyond that, there are serious sanitation issues with farmed salmon, and there is much debate whether the feed is appropriate for the fish, and ultimately safe for us higher-ups on the food chain.
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In the newer rating systems (GenoType and SWAMI).

There are different rating for different types of salmon:

Salmon, Atlantic, wild
Salmon, Chinook ◊
Salmon, Sockeye ◊

My SWAMI diet report notes:

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Insure that salmon purchased is not “farm raised” by rather “wild
caught”.


Atlantic Salmon in the US is nearly always farm raised.


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I only buy fish that says wild-caught.


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The cod I find is wild-caught but usually a product of China so I'm not sure how good that is.


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The cod I find is wild-caught but usually a product of China so I'm not sure how good that is.

I haven't had a problem with it so far...

Since I have to eat something, I don't want to delete possible sources unless I have a problem with it.


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This from The NYTimes:
http://dinersjournal.blogs.nyt....._type=blogs&_r=0

Bottom line:
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Here’s the short version. If it’s wild, it’s not Atlantic. If it’s Atlantic, it’s not wild. If it’s Pacific … you gotta know your fishmonger. Never a bad idea anyway.


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all about antibiotic use in  salmon farms ...


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Antibiotics are one issue. Also inappropriate, poor quality feed (PCB's, pesticides, with a possible link to obesity and diabetes  http://www.altmedrev.com/publications/16/4/301.pdf),  unsanitary conditions, and unnatural stresses akin to "feed lot conditions".  By denying them their spawning process, the development of desirable levels of nutrients are arrested. (Omega 3's? Would someone confirm this, I only recall an earlier discussion on the subject, not the details.)

Another serious consideration is whether farm raised escapees introduced into the wild population-often as an exotic, given the location of many fish farms- have the potential of collapsing the wild stocks.

http://www.fao.org/3/a-aj272e.pdf
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Not to mention that farm-raised salmon tastes yucky.
Not to worry - if you're cooking it yourself, it'll stink up the house so bad, you'll know not to eat it (built-in Warning System).


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Quoted from san j
Not to mention that farm-raised salmon tastes yucky.
Not to worry - if you're cooking it yourself, it'll stink up the house so bad, you'll know not to eat it (built-in Warning System).


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Dr. D. has wild Atlantic, a neutral, on my SWAMI. I'm trying to develop a taste for sockeye, a superfood.


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Can't help but wonder if the huge increase in imported fish, even catfish, has helped raise those statistics in the United States.


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I was at Wal Mart the other day and found a type of Salmon I hadn't seen before...Wild Caught Keta from China. I bought it because I couldn't resist the price- $5.00 for 1.5 lbs. After I returned home I did some checking on Google. It is low in calories and fat, lower in omega 3 than other salmon, but seemed to have least amounts of mercury and other contaminants. I take alot of flax supplements so I wasn't worried  about it not having as much 3's. You don't cook it as long because of the lower oil content. I grilled it with some veggies and was really surprised how wonderful and mild tasting it was. I will definitely purchase it again!
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Keta, AKA, chum salmon, should be fine. It's fished around Alaska, I believe. Chinese processing, however, raises a flag... though if there are no outward signs of mishandling, I'd eat it no problem.
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Quoted from Spring
Can't help but wonder if the huge increase in imported fish, even catfish, has helped raise those statistics in the United States.


I would think considerably. I have seen numerous reports on the lack of quality food standards standards in foreign countries (esp. China) but never accompanied by numbers. I generally assume that any product imported from a 'low-standards' source is highly risky. There is almost always an alternative though likely a little pricier..






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I would think considerably. I have seen numerous reports on the lack of quality food standards standards in foreign countries (esp. China) but never accompanied by numbers. I generally assume that any product imported from a 'low-standards' source is highly risky. There is almost always an alternative though likely a little pricier..



I know about the alternative too well...I stocked up my freezer with copper river salmon a few weeks ago...$24.99 per lb.   We usually eat that twice a month or the wild caught scottish salmon. It is nice to have a less expen$ive option at times though. I don't have alot of options where I live. I try to go to Dallas every 4-6 weeks and stock up on fresh, good quality seafood.
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My huband bought the Sokeye Salmon wild caught from Russia at Costco. I'm not sure how safe it is, but I'll start buying it from local places that have wild caught from US. Luckily, the wild caught Cod at Costco is from Alaska.


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My huband bought the Sokeye Salmon wild caught from Russia at Costco. I'm not sure how safe it is, but I'll start buying it from local places that have wild caught from US. Luckily, the wild caught Cod at Costco is from Alaska.

From what standpoint you are questioning the Russian salmon?


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My huband bought the Sokeye Salmon wild caught from Russia at Costco. I'm not sure how safe it is, but I'll start buying it from local places that have wild caught from US. Luckily, the wild caught Cod at Costco is from Alaska.


I eat it once per week. It seems Ok, but freshness is sometimes great, sometimes not so great. Like just about any frozen fish.

Aside from Costco's Atlantic salmon (which I wouldn't eat) they offer a few others that I've sampled, and were not impressed.

BTW: I don't trust the Russian Cod. It may be Pollock. Ok if you can have pollock, but way overpriced if it is...

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I lived in Siberia (Magadan) for a summer for grad school research. It's basically the Russian version of Anchorage, Alaska.

My host's husband was a salmon fisherman and I only saw him twice during the 8 weeks I was there. We ate salmon for pretty much every single meal (ugh). I got so incredibly tired of it, I didn't eat it for 9 months after I got home! Haha. But I can vouch that it's a-okay and very much wild. The Sea of Okhotsk is some pristine water, much like the Gulf of Alaska. It's cold and there aren't many people living in that part of the world. Enjoy your wild Russian salmon!




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I usually check as to where the fish is from and choose that way.  Wild caught fish is the only fish I will buy.


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I could eat salmon three meals a day!  I can't remember if it is a beneficial but I like it (I don't eat it that often;)  
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From what standpoint you are questioning the Russian salmon?


I think misspudding cleared the air on Russian salmon. I wasn't sure of the process, safety, handeling, etc.


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