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slk7387
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Does anyone have advice for quitting Omeprazole? I don't really know how to NOT get heartburn and it is frustrating.  I quit coffee and am trying the green tea thing, but the tea or lemon gives me heartburn. I think red meat gives me heartburn too. What gives..  


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Use h2 blockers like pepcid at first.  After awhile wean off.  Use good herbs and you will deal with some rebound acid at first.  Drink lots of water.  This is what brought me to this site.  Yerba mate tea far better it is more alkaline and not the tannins that give acid reflux. Green tea is worse than coffee depending on the kind.  Both are very acidic.  Another help are regular antihistamines...I used them to help.  You will get better.


I was in that exact state you seem to be in with my acid stomach and also esophageal inflammation.

I could barely eat anything without acid reflux and weighed 155 lbs.  Now I weigh 170  and almost never get heartburn regardless of what I eat or drink.  In fact green tea is the worst trigger i have now for it but not bad like it was.  Hope this is helpful to you.

Also the pepcid I used was the dual action chewable ones antacids and acid reducer.  Instant and lasts half the day.

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Take 2 Bromelain capsules with each meal.  They are digestive enzymes from pineapple stems.  They work great!  

Oh yeah - never lay down when you have recently eaten anything!  


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One thing I find odd, is that my husband drinks coffee everyday still and never gets heartburn. Red sauce is the only thing that seems to give him heartburn. He is an o too.


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Bacterial overgrowth-- might want to try taking the Gastro D-- for three months.

And deflect is great for this sort of thing.

So is licorice DGL--

Do you know your secretor status.

Can't compare you and hubby.



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Mastic is what is in the Gastro D--

here is another source of information.

Love DGL-- http://www.endfatigue.com/tools-support/Eliminating-Chronic-Acid-Reflux-And-Indigestion.html


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One thing I find odd, is that my husband drinks coffee everyday still and never gets heartburn. Red sauce is the only thing that seems to give him heartburn. He is an o too.


If the stomach Is strong heartburn should not be occurring frequently.  I took Nexium for almost  two year.s  The meds cause more acid producing pumps to form, so when the med is stopped you have way too much acid.  

Bacteria also can over produce with the reduced acid levels and this causes inflammation.  Let the stomach gradually recover and wean off the meds slowly.  It is not easy to understand how tough this is unless they have experienced it.   Nothing will help much at first as the stomach rebalance.

I weaned off ppis with pepcid complete dual action so my proton. Pumps could normalize again.  This med does not effect acid producing proton pumps.

Do it when you are ready and be committed.  The things people recommend on this site will help esp. After that first two weeks of bad acid rebound.


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I had to take Tagamet for a long time (pre-BTD) for persistent and chronic heartburn.  It was necessary for me to stop coffee, sugar, all flour products (especially wheat, but even spelt, oat flour and rice flour) and all citrus.  Lemon may be supposed to have an alkaline effect and it does for most people, I guess - but it's instant heartburn for me every time.

As for green tea, all green tea gave me heartburn until I started drinking Genmaicha (green tea with toasted brown rice).  Dr. D has the best I've drunk and I buy it in his store now.

Also, I don't drink it first thing on an empty stomach.  It is my after-breakfast drink.  And, by the way, I don't eat any avoids, ever.  

I got off Tagamet by gradually reducing the dose.  Good luck - you can get past this.



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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Bacterial overgrowth-- might want to try taking the Gastro D-- for three months.

And deflect is great for this sort of thing.

So is licorice DGL--

Do you know your secretor status.

Can't compare you and hubby.



For a good licorice tea with other great cooling herbs look into yogi calming tea and yogi Egyptian licorice mint tea.  The calming tea I use now instead of coffee.  The calming yogi tea Has plenty of soothing herb s in it.  
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negative thoughts might bite the stomach too ...


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Is your heartburn started in the first place by drugs?  I had heartburn and I examined my diet.  I read that apple slices at night might help.. I think it might have helped.  I changed some foods, like almonds at night, I no longer eat them. It all comes down to diet.  and maybe sleeping with the torso raised a few inches.

Read what others are doing , and then do this or that until you find why Neutral food causes issues.  It is always in the food. how is your belli size, rounded under the rib cage, you may need to wrestle with that.  

At one time taking a spoon of olive oil made all the difference in my life.. I took it between meals to make it more effective going to the bathroom.  it took two weeks to make a difference.  It also solved a pain/ discomfort issue I had in my stomach.  Worth a try, with light olive oil.

I would most likely stop any meds that are not needed -desperatly.  My friend is taking blood pressure regultaing medicine from Standard Process instead of meds that cause edema, so far she is better off. You may have to look at all meds and see what the sideeffects are, all combined, and then reduce the likelyhood of all that.    


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Quoted from Easy E


For a good licorice tea with other great cooling herbs look into yogi calming tea and yogi Egyptian licorice mint tea.  The calming tea I use now instead of coffee.  The calming yogi tea Has plenty of soothing herb s in it.  


Not licorice tea-- DGL two different things.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deglycyrrhizinated_licorice



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Magnesium malate is very soothing. So is lysine, of all things! Raises the pH. I suffered from this horrible ailment for years because of eating corn products and other avoids, and it took a while to get to what a normal esophagus and stomach feels like. But it is worth every effort to get there! The stuff on the market for this problem never did me an iota of good. A doctor put me on Tagamet about thirty years ago, and I took it faithfully for a solid month with no relief whatsoever. None. Switched to Tums and after a few weeks that threw my red blood count into a nose dive. Never had a problem with that before in my entire life! I started sleeping with my upper body elevated, didn't eat heavily after dinner and started the slow recovery. Strangely, green tea never has bothered me.


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Quoted from Goldie
how is your belli size, rounded under the rib cage, you may need to wrestle with that.  

  


Luckily, my belly is pretty flat most of the time.


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Thank you guys for all the advice. I am definitely looking into the different supplements and herbs you've listed. I bought Pepcid last week and only take it when I have BAD heartburn.. so far it has been calming for my heartburn. I will start sleeping with the body upright too, luckily we have an adjustable base. I can't recall how many years I've been on heartburn meds... I think since 2006. At first I was on Ranitidine, but my body "got used" to it and I was switched to Omeprazole in 2009 I think.

I don't think the vitamins I take cause heartburn:
Thyrostim
Phytomulti
Zyrtec - I live in KY and allergies here are awful
Singulair - I live in KY and allergies here are awful
Mag/Cal/K
Chanca Piedra


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I've read a lot of people who get very bad heartburn have problems with excess histamine.

And of course, the problem always seems to be gut dysbiosis (shocker).

Another thing that it seems to be is a slow liver, and possible MTHFR/folate issues.

Hope you figure it out!


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Consider that your problem may be gastritis, also (too little stomach acid).  Although for an O that would be unusual.

My husband was taking for years drugs to calm down his heartburn.  He is an A.  Gastritis was his problem which, of course, is a normal problem for A's.  Diet as stated previously is the main culprit.  He now is off the drugs and takes Zypan (hydrochloric acid) from Standard Process with most of his meals.  Our doctor told him those antacid prescription and even OTC's were 'killers,' his words.

  I do hope you can get serious about your prescribed food choices and read everything you can to help you figure this out.  You could save a lot of time and do an elimination diet of sorts.  I've read you start with watermelon only for a day (maybe two?). Gage your somach's reaction.  Then each day add one new food, keeping notes and lists.  It's a long process but would supply you with a lot of valuable information and, perhaps, give you a shorted recovery period.


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