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summergirl
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Hi-- I'm not sure I'm doing this right (the thread thing) -- so I am type o+, and follow the type O diet pretty well. Except for one thing. Well, maybe 2!! I have been drinking daily for a little over 2 years now. For the last year and a half, it's been a bottle of champagne a night. With me, it's always been one thing or another but never alcohol before now. That's my one vice. I don't really want to quit because I feel i am now out of options to feel "good". I am clinically depressed my whole life (45 now) & no longer take anti-depressants as none have really worked. I also despise exercise. I'm maintaining a good weight but was curious about 2 things. Why is champagne an avoid when it's made from 2 dark grapes and some Chardonnay?? I understand about the Chardonnay, but not about the majority of champagne being made from 2 types of dark grapes. My other question is, would deflect O protect me from alcohol damage at all?? Or any other supplements?? First time I'm actually writing about this, so please, try to be gentle! Thank you in advance for any replies--
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For the last year and a half, it's been a bottle of champagne a night. With me, it's always been one thing or another but never alcohol before now. That's my one vice. I don't really want to quit because I feel i am now out of options to feel "good". I am clinically depressed my whole life (45 now) & no longer take anti-depressants as none have really worked. I also despise exercise.


To me that seems like a lot ( a bottle and a half). Based on what you posted I would think that you might give stronger consideration to exercise, which is so important for us O's.
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hey, summer girl!   Another wine lover here! I have been used to having that much wine daily as my DH is a wine salesman and makes his own wine, etc. (home winemaker)…but over the years I have slacked off (a good thing!)…not even sure why... DH still drinks a lot more. I have 1 or 2 fri. nite, maybe 2-3 glasses sat. nite, and then one or two randomly in the week.
I believe I have suffered from stress and have turned to alcohol in the past, maybe I'm not as stressed now.
An exercise I actually like (love) is Nia dance. You can google it and watch on youtube. I'm sure they have it in So.Florida.
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Exercise helps release the "feel good" components to assist in getting rid of the depressing thoughts/feelings.  I agree that getting through the "I don't wanna do it.", phase is difficult, but I'm certain that you will feel much better once you get started with consistent exercise.  Be sure to start slow - like finding a scenic area to take a brisk walk, initially and work up from there...  There HAS to be something that you would enjoy doing that involves movement!!!

While I am certain that there are physical reasons for some depression, there is some that we can make the decision to change and make a decision to look for the good or beneficial components in life.  It took/takes (for me) practice to get into, and effort to maintain a positive mental attitude, but it is so very helpful to our entire being.

If you still feel the need for wine - transition to a red.  At least it has a Neutral rating if Secretor or even a Beneficial rating if you are Non-Secretor...

Deflect is mostly for lectin damage, but Typebase indicates that the component in white wine is not a lectin, so it will most likely not be helpful in this case.

Hoping that this is helpful for you!


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How much alcohol is "too much" really does vary from one person to another. Some do best on no alcohol at all. Others do well on a glass a week, some can handle a glass or two a night. An entire bottle is about 4 glasses, and IMO that's too much for "every night" (though that wouldn't be terrible if you only drank once a week.) Half a bottle a night would probably be a lot healthier for you.

Looking at the TypeBase, I can't find a listing for "Champagne." I see listings for red wine and white wine.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?454

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?455

I'd suggest you try to find a red wine that you like, and then try to cut back the amount.

Also look into supplements that may help treat the depression.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl

Looking at the TypeBase, I can't find a listing for "Champagne." I see listings for red wine and white wine.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?454

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?455

I'd suggest you try to find a red wine that you like, and then try to cut back the amount.

Also look into supplements that may help treat the depression.


I couldn't find Champagne listed in Live Right 4 Your Type, either. I guess it's rated as White Wine, unless we hear otherwise.

I've dealt with various addictive behaviors throughout my life in an attempt to deal with what was chronic depression for decades.  I can't tell you what you should do, summergirl, but I'll tell you what my own approach was.

If my addiction was a food or drink, and if I was not ready yet to give it up, I tried to find the highest compliant version and the purest quality of that addiction - as a first step and bottom line.  I never wanted to poison myself by eating or drinking something that was toxic for my blood type or genotype.

So, if I were attached to drinking 1 1/2 bottles/day of champagne, I would transition to drinking 1 1/2 bottles a day of a fine quality red wine.  I believe there are even some that are carbonated, if that is a factor.  (not sure about that one, though).

After I became comfortable drinking a Neutral or Beneficial beverage instead of an Avoid/Toxin, only then would I begin the process of gradually reducing the quantity consumed daily.

That process could be reversed:
gradually reduce the daily quantity of champagne consumed
and then transition to a Neutral or Beneficial beverage instead of an Avoid.

No judgement of you is implied here.  This is my own approach toward dealing with depression and addictions in my (now) distant past.  



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Good advice, Victoria.
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this nonnie can t take the sugar

I d stick to a glass of red dry wine instead, and not a bottle

to each their own


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Quoted from summergirl
...was curious about 2 things. Why is champagne an avoid when it's made from 2 dark grapes and some Chardonnay?? I understand about the Chardonnay, but not about the majority of champagne being made from 2 types of dark grapes.
Don't know the answer to this bit I do know that our daughter (who is used to drinking a fair amount, as part of her job), can actually gets sadder/feistier/more hyped up on champagne &/or white wine... Red wine just makes her want to curl up and go to sleep ( as it does me)
I know for me, it's the sulphites in wines that I react to, which I suspect is the same for her... Vinegar & other things, aren't good either, prob'ly for the same reason?!
Us O's get very easily addicted to substances (even habits/routines too) so replacing one vice with a better one isn't impossible - even exercise... I'm not crazy about exercise either (especially getting a routine started) but am amazed at how soon into it I feel good about even a simple thing like walking & how quickly even half an hour a few times a week can make a difference?!  All the best!!


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Start out slow with your exercise.  Take a walk on a nice day and note how good you feel afterwards.  Are there any activities you enjoy, swimming, biking, etc.?  Park a little bit farther from the stores to get in an extra walk.  Stretch – dogs & cats do it when they get up.


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Are you making the all-too-typical O-specific connection between depression and exercise-resistance?
Many O's who do no exercise go looking for "Feel Good" fixes; "mood disorders" are found amongst O's in somewhat higher proportions, as someone else has told you.  O's are the ones who benefit most from working out and who suffer the most for lack of workouts.
What's a good workout for an O?
Take a look at Live Right 4 Your Type for types and amounts and frequencies.
And do consider scheduling your day's Big Sweat in the morning -- before you go out there and tackle other stuff. Most O's who try this are amazed at the mood-lift, the removal of the anger/frustration-edge, the increased efficiency and optimism...

The red flag for me in your post was where you wrote you're "now out of options to feel 'good'".
I don't believe you've exhausted your options.
Nor do I believe a simple switch of potion or amount is what will refresh and energize your mood and spirit. Seek a cure, I say. Make a bigger change than "red wine and a supplement", for instance.
It's my opinion only, and I'm just a stranger, of course.  


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Quoted from san j
Are you making the all-too-typical O-specific connection between depression and exercise-resistance?
Many O's who do no exercise go looking for "Feel Good" fixes; "mood disorders" are found amongst O's in somewhat higher proportions, as someone else has told you.  O's are the ones who benefit most from working out and who suffer the most for lack of workouts.
What's a good workout for an O?
Take a look at Live Right 4 Your Type for types and amounts and frequencies.
And do consider scheduling your day's Big Sweat in the morning -- before you go out there and tackle other stuff. Most O's who try this are amazed at the mood-lift, the removal of the anger/frustration-edge, the increased efficiency and optimism...

The red flag for me in your post was where you wrote you're "now out of options to feel 'good'".
I don't believe you've exhausted your options.
Nor do I believe a simple switch of potion or amount is what will refresh and energize your mood and spirit. Seek a cure, I say. Make a bigger change than "red wine and a supplement", for instance.
It's my opinion only, and I'm just a stranger, of course.  


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Thank You all so much for the nice and very helpful replies!! Possum, yes!! that’s exactly what happens to me with red wine too!! The champagne makes me feel happy, unlike any other alcohols. it’s all i can stand. Thank you ALL for the exercise ideas as i know that it will make me feel so much better & there are definitely things i like to do, just lack the motivation. I also think it was very kind of those of you who shared about depression!! Thank you!! I know exercise is probably going to work best for the anxiety/depression/champagne issues-- also, just FYI, i manage to stay, in spite off all the champagne, in a mild state of ketosis,which i think as an O, we should?? i am 4feet 10inches tall & manage to stay between 88-93 pounds. The BTD is the ONLY way for me to maintain my weight. And I LOVE the foods!!I also have to say that when i cut out ALL grains, i definitely felt better than usual,same with dairy. On the rare occasion i eat either, i feel awful for a few days, as well as gain 3 pounds (especially with glutens!!) So today, i have no choice but to walk or ride my bike as my car is in the shop!! Blessing in disguise??!! Thank you all so much again. Summergirl
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Perhaps should we give a try and look beyond all this ...and take notice about the true point..why do I need- want-take-would-like to recompense my life in that very moment with a nerve toxin... Is the true thingy here that I'ven't leaned to relax myselve... so far go for some relaxing techniques... is it coz of bumping down my anxieties or fears...So far learn to control your thoughts and recognize how many of em are home made... and first ther's a thought...next a feeling ... you can't cope with both together so far recognize that we all are master of our lives and need to learn to deal with our true natur......

As we aren't aware about our *persona* and act it out... you've no chance to release anything... you're going to keep your habits...moodies etc... but while learning to see your true natur... it's that easy ..... ...it enables to transform your entire life and you're beginning to live your life... not being lived by others   ...

Btw.. all begins also here with BTD/GTD....


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Summergirl, hope the walking went well? I really love it when I have no choice and have to walk, especially when I have to get somewhere (walking at a fairly decent pace has a better effect than ambling!!) It's the only way/time I really exercise consistently!!
Noticed you are in Florida - wonder where you are in relation to Peppermint Twist? She's another O who is a great one for knowing the benefits of walking!!
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Hi--so the walking wasn’t bad at all. just get bored.so one thing i have been doing is walking to the park and going on the swings for about an hour. i really don’t know if swinging counts as exercise, but i do love it and get tired from the way i do it--lol-- its all or nothing with me so i just swing as high as possible and as fast as possible!!my arms have bruises from the chains that hold the swing!! last night, i also climbed a tree there but kinda got stuck!! still was fun!! As far as drinking champagne daily, that has not stopped, but is at least a bit less. i definitely see my pattern tho-- its always over stress!! i’m such an O !! Amazone L -- yes, always starts with a thought, like what errands, boyfriend issues, then i think about everything and get very overwhelmed. Then champagne comes to mind!! so while i will have a couple glasses to calm down, then i go to the park & swing -- seems to curb the urge to continue drinking, at least for awhile-- i would LOVE to get a stripper pole in the house (permanantly mounted) but my daughter HATES this idea!! she’ll be off to college after next year, so thats when i will do it!! Sorry to ramble-- gonna go clean the pool-- makes me sweat so im gonna count that as exercise!!  
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Sounds like you're making progress!


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As an O I could go through a case of diet soda, yes,  not alcohol but still an addition.  Just wanted you to know that as I stayed on the BTD I just stopped wanting it, about a month later my husband just said don't get any Dr. Pepper for him.  I encourage you to be as compliant as you can keep up with the walking, swinging.


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Summergirl, I also drink alcohol daily, although I try to drink red wine and limit it to two glasses per day although if I am out to dinner or go out to hear live music I may drink more.  I try to keep those occasions to a minimum.  I have severe heart disease in my family and so red wine is good for the blood.  I also have deep vein thrombosis in my family, so again, wine is good for me.

That being said, too much of a good thing is not good!  Women, particularly a woman of your and my size, should only drink one to two glasses of alcohol per day.  I am 5'2" and my goal weight is around 108-110.  Right now I am a few pounds over that but am working on it.  One of the things I do when I want more wine is to drink sparkling water with unsweetened cranberry juice and squeeze  some fresh lime into the drink.  I drink this when I am out at a restaurant or live music venue (although the juice will be sweetened) to help me keep from drinking more wine or beer.  I gave up all other alcohol a long time ago other than red & white wine and beer.  

That being said, my antidote to wine is water.  For every glass of wine I drink, I try to drink two glasses of water (usually with lemon) to counteract the wine.  I do this whether I am at home or out.  It helps a lot.  Sometimes I believe it is just having something in front of you to drink.

So here is my advice, from one O to another:

Switch to red wine over a period of time.  You can try mixing the red wine with the champagne for a little bit until you get used to the red wine, adding more red wine and less champagne as time goes on.  The benefits of being sleepy with red wine are good for O's as we sometimes get hyped up!  Take the sleepiness as a sign that you have had enough to drink!

Slowly decrease your wine intake and increase your water intake, either with fresh water with lemon or with the sparkling water, cranberry juice and lime.  Pour them simultaneously so that you have both at hand and DO NOT pour another glass of wine until you have finished the water.

Remember that alcohol is a depressant, so if you are feeling depressed, the bottle of champagne you drink might make you happy while it it going down but will affect your mood later.

I, too, struggle with exercise.  I like to run, but at 56 years old my joints are killing me (knees, ankles and hips), so I am back to power walking.  Find a beautiful place and walk.  You are in Florida, so if you are near the ocean, walk by the ocean.  If you are near a wooded area, walk in the woods.  Find a park - which it sounds like you are doing.  Start tracking your distance and time.  Increase as you go.  You will find that after a few weeks to a month you will crave the exercise and want more.  That is the nature of the endorphin buzz of exercise.  Swing on the swings as your cool down.

I hope this is not too much information.  I can relate to everything you have said and have had to place some limits in my life to keep things in control.  I wish for you the same!!! Best of luck in your journey, Patty  


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hey Patti-- yes--have listened to your great advice!! we ARE small & gotta be careful;l!!been doing the water thing and it DOES HELP!! im seeing now tho that i have serious issues by now n and am terrified to deal with them!!Sorry if TMI! LAST TIME at park, i was swinging one moment, then awoke on the ground with cops n paramedics all around me saying i seized. its happened b4 when on other substances. been a LONG TIME!! Cops kindly drove me home but i cant recall anymore than that. only thing thats helped me since is the water thing!! clearly, i have a serious issue happening here but sadly don’t care about the damage im causing toMYSELF!! ONLY those who “love me”-- i feel really bad and am trying to make them happy but when u don’t care bout yourself, how much can u help those around u? now im too embarrassed to walk to the park n swing!! maybe a lost cause?? idk--but still, taking advice especially bout water!! again, so sorry TMI, just want u n everyone to know you all have helped.
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hey Patti-- yes--have listened to your great advice!! we ARE small & gotta be careful;l!!been doing the water thing and it DOES HELP!! im seeing now tho that i have serious issues by now n and am terrified to deal with them!!Sorry if TMI! LAST TIME at park, i was swinging one moment, then awoke on the ground with cops n paramedics all around me saying i seized. its happened b4 when on other substances. been a LONG TIME!! Cops kindly drove me home but i cant recall anymore than that. only thing thats helped me since is the water thing!! clearly, i have a serious issue happening here but sadly don’t care about the damage im causing toMYSELF!! ONLY those who “love me”-- i feel really bad and am trying to make them happy but when u don’t care bout yourself, how much can u help those around u? now im too embarrassed to walk to the park n swing!! maybe a lost cause?? idk--but still, taking advice especially bout water!! again, so sorry TMI, just want u n everyone to know you all have helped.



summergirl,
I am concerned for you.  It sounds like you need some professional help and intervention.  You are a unique and wonderful person and deserve only the best life has to offer.  Please reach out for help in your area so that you can take some small steps to love yourself, as we are all worthy of love, both from ourselves and from others.

Please keep drinking that water and find someone who can help you!  You deserve it!!!



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Summergirl: maybe no one mentioned this, but too much alcohol too often not only a.) makes you depressed afterwards b.) kills off brain cells in the process c.) makes your liver work too hard but also d.) overworks the adrenal glands leading to excess cortisol and damage to the adrenals. Meaning -- you could suddenly become bedridden with anxiety and depression nonstop just by the damaged adrenals if you don't continue to take control of your situation.

So Keep going!!


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I drink a few beers or glasses of red wine most nights.  It is calming and is a great finisher to the day!

Exercise of the proper type will do the same, but unfortuanately, it does not feel good to start it a lot of times after not doing it and it takes effort.  I am lucky i learned i needed to break a sweat (explorers stress reduction and number one detox method) and get my heart pumping and breath hard from a young age by playing basketball and how much it helped me in life.  

Exercise is important for everyone of the right intensity for their body and fitness level in order to feel their best.

O's (hunters and explorers esp.) need regular intense exercise, as do all explorers regardless of blood type to reduce stress and function optimally in daily life.  The slow exercises help me more with strength and good movement than a stress reducer by themselves.  Once the momentum is started, you will wonder how did you live without exercising.  You will have more energy and feel better.  

But start slow with it no matter what you do!

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summergirl,
I am concerned for you.  It sounds like you need some professional help and intervention.  You are a unique and wonderful person and deserve only the best life has to offer.  Please reach out for help in your area so that you can take some small steps to love yourself, as we are all worthy of love, both from ourselves and from others.

Please keep drinking that water and find someone who can help you!  You deserve it!!!


This is a great idea.  When it comes to a real addiction it can't be fought by yourself.  You need positive and supportive people and God the way you can see Him in your life.


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Rh-, MTHFR, GT4 Explorer
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Location: Seattle
Age: 37
I find that alcohol kills my gut health. I think it's an irritant? It also helps the yeast and bad bacteria grow and that, in turn, makes you crave more alcohol, because they feed off of it. Alcohol also tanks your liver, meaning more yeast/bad bugs, which means worsening gut health, which means bad absorption of nutrients, which means more depression.

Vitamin B-12 is synthesized in the gut by certain bacteria (you can get past some of that by taking methyl B-12, but still). B-12 is *incredibly* important for nervous system health. I'm speaking as someone who, when I drink, I *need* two glasses, and then I need it *every* day. I'm an explorer and I know the occasional red wine is good for me, but not every night.

Also, the reason you probably like champagne so much is the bubbles get the alcohol into your blood so much quicker than just wine alone. You get drunk faster.




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Me: Celiac type gut problems; seizure disorder; MTHFR
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DS: O negative; "atypical" IBD - SWAMI 44% Explorer

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