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Juliebug
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I have been doing really well with my new ER4YT lifestyle...except chili peppers. I have only cheated a couple of times and only had a couple of spoons of salsa by itself. If I eat a little bit of salsa (or another avoid) with a compliant meal, does it turn the whole meal into a bad meal? Does the body know that only that one thing was not appropriate or because it is all digesting together, goof up the entire meal? Just really curious...and missing my peppers. I crave them.
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Whatever the food item you eat that is toxic to your body is the thing that is toxic.  The rest of your beneficial meal doesn't turn into something toxic.

Those are just words, though.  If a food is poison to your body, you will be affected in some way by it, whether now or much later on.  That said . . an occasional indulgence isn't likely to do you a lot of damage.  It's the things that we do regularly that bring our health down.  



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You're not supposed to eat any avoids at all. In theory, mixing an "avoid" into a meal full of "beneficials" makes the whole meal an "avoid."

However, few people are able to do the diet 100% at first. Plus, it's easy to fall into the trap of "avoiding the avoids" without remembering to emphasize the beneficials. The diet works so much better when you think about what you CAN eat, rather than what you can't. There's a definite mental/psychological component to viewing the world that way.

It's definitely better to eat a meal full of beneficials, except for the peppers, than it is to eat a meal full of avoid foods plus the chili peppers.

You may find, after a while, that you no longer crave the peppers, and naturally cut back on them on your own. Or you may find that you're doing really well in spite of your pepper ingestion, and decide that there's no need to make any further changes.


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Thank you Victoria and Ruthiegirl- I'm sorry it took so long for me to respond. Our city is putting in sidewalks in my neighborhood and they cut the internet cable. They just got it repaired. Before I discovered the BTD, I was incorporating a lot of Ayurvedic practices into my diet. Since my Kapha dosha was out of sync, I was eating warming spices and lots of peppers to help fuel my sluggish metabolism. I'm sure I will be able to kick the peppers, but it's difficult...especially living in Texas. I can give up tortillas and tamales, but there is something about those darn peppers! It makes it especially hard because I love Thai and Indian cuisine as well and they are heavy on the peppers.
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P.S.: to echo Ruthie, think "algorithms" - and the avoid disrupting the algorithmic action of the beneficials in the body.....not just as something you "can't eat anymore"......

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Just a thought:  As an A I was allowed to eat Paprika.  I found that Hungarian hot paprika put plenty of heat into meals and allowed me to get away from the nightshade plant peppers that were listed as Avoids for me.  

Yes, there are lots of kinds of peppers.  And yes, each one has its own flavor.  The hot paprika may not give you what you are looking for taste-wise, but it might be worth trying to find out.  


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Quoted from Seraffa
P.S.: to echo Ruthie, think "algorithms" - and the avoid disrupting the algorithmic action of the beneficials in the body.....not just as something you "can't eat anymore"......

Be the beautiful harmonic fugue Dr. D. says we can be.


Well said. At first I thought Victoria and Ruth were in disagreement, but looking closer, I see that they are complementary views.

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Thank you everyone! Ginny- I will definitely buy some hungarian paprika today. It sounds delicious! I survived yesterday without peppers. I was wondering about something...I was brushing my hair this morning and noticed that my hair color at my roots was different. I thought I was seeing gray hair but when I opened the window blind and looked, it was actally blonde with shiny gold in it- the color it was when I was a little girl. My hair is black/brown and this just really threw me off. Is it all of the supplements/minerals I am taking? Maybe because I am digesting/absorbing foods better? Has anyone else experienced this??? Hummmm....
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Just a thought:  As an A I was allowed to eat Paprika.  I found that Hungarian hot paprika put plenty of heat into meals and allowed me to get away from the nightshade plant peppers that were listed as Avoids for me.  

Yes, there are lots of kinds of peppers.  And yes, each one has its own flavor.  The hot paprika may not give you what you are looking for taste-wise, but it might be worth trying to find out.  


I am still looking for my hot paprika. They used to sell "Pride of Szeged" here at Kroger long time ago. I remember as a kid of 8 staring at it and wondering "why in the heck would people want to shake hot stuff over the deviled eggs mother taught me to make?"


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Quoted from Juliebug
Since my Kapha dosha was out of sync, I was eating warming spices and lots of peppers to help fuel my sluggish metabolism.  

.... but there is something about those darn peppers! It makes it especially hard because I love Thai and Indian cuisine as well and they are heavy on the peppers.


Personally I think it's the carrier oils inside the peppers.They can extend the life of "other avoids!!" I used to love my spicy yellow lentil hummus for this very reason (eaten when I worked at Target) After a few go-rounds of that, eaten with raw carrot chips, I decided to slip in some black iced tea. But like I remark to my friends: It's not the ingesting that's unpleasant.....but OHHHH WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT!!....

Not only was my brain's nervous system freaking out like someone stripped away the myelin sheaths from the nerves, but yes, my anus was seriously on fire.....


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You can look around a lot of stores, including specialty stores, and eventually find real Hungarian paprika.........OR you can do what I do and go directly to Amazon:

http://smile.amazon.com/s/ref=.....+paprika%2Caps%2C361

Amazon saves me tons of time and gasoline money!!!!


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Thank you Ginny! I will just go to Amazon. I live in a small town about an hour east of Dallas. When I first moved here 9 years ago, you could not even find a bottle of curry. I knew I had found hades in the USA. It has improved some, but not what I am accstomes to.

Seraffa- it sounds like you really overdid it with the hummus. I have had that happen before...it burns you twice...on the way down and on the way out!!! I would think it would have to kill parasites...
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Well said. At first I thought Victoria and Ruth were in disagreement, but looking closer, I see that they are complementary views.


Yes - just looking at the same big picture from a different position.

If I WAS going to eat an avoid (which I avoid diligently ) I would certainly make everything else on my plate a beneficial/superfood.  I would not eat a bunch of avoid/toxins with it, just because it was an avoid and would hurt me anyway.  That's another way of describing my perspective.

Everyone is working with their own bodies, their own capacity and circumstances.  We all are able to do only what we are able to do, no matter what the reasons.  



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Thank you Victoria- No two bodies were created the same and I am learning that a lot of this process is trial and error. What is a problem for me may not be a problem for someone else... I agree with if you have to have an evil, make sure you have many angels surrounding it.
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or make sure you got deflect handy and don t leave home without it, if susceptible


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I see deflect recommended over and over again.  However, it contains chondroitin which is usually made from shrimp shells and which gives me severe stomach aches.  I also have a friend who has started ER and has a very severe (life threatening) allergy to shellfish.  

Deflect is definitely not the answer for a lot of us.  

I have found that bromelain capsules are helpful if I am having trouble digesting a meal with or without avoids in it.  


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I am taking deflect twice daily with my meals. I take bromelain before my meals...how do you know if the deflect is working to rid our bodies of accumulated lectins? Are there any physical signs???
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Responding to the first post....

Some of us started out on BTD but then adopted GenoType Diet (GTD) or "SWAMI Express".  I've read posts here that describe how some foods that were avoids on BTD became neutral or even beneficial on the new diet system.  And with SWAMI, it's possible to change some settings and get changes to the diet that might include Avoids becoming Neutrals or  Beneficial and vice versa.

The reason that's given for this kind of reversal is that a food might contain a lectin that might cause trouble.  But under GTD or SWAMI that same food is recognized as having beneficial qualities that outweigh the lectin.

I don't directly disagree with Ruthie -- technically it's correct -- but there may be certain foods that are classified as Avoids under BTD that may be OK for you.  You can choose to continue eating the chilis and otherwise follow the diet for one month and see how you feel.  If you're happy with the improvement, then you might keep eating that way.  Or if you're not getting results, avoid the chilis for a few weeks.

I found that my food perception improved after starting the BTD.  For example, it was easier for me to tell if I ate something with "junk" in it, like corn products, for example.  The reaction might come within five minutes, or I might notice it the next morning.  Perhaps you will come to fully understand whether chilis are tolerable for you.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Thank you SquearePeg- I bought a notebook yesterday so that I can keep a diary pertaining to supplements, foods, sleep patterns, etc. I know gluten and corn are big no-no's for me. If I have cream in my coffee I immediately feel the mucous in my throat and lungs. I woke up this morning and was craving salad with greens, roasted organic chicken and avacado. I had an organic vinegarette (vinegar is an avoid) but I felt so amazing after eating. Before BTD, every morning I put apple cider vinegar in my green tea- I guess I was missing it. The ACV seemed to help with my digestion much like the lemon. I think PH balance is also important. Thank you so much for your insight-I value everyones opinions and experiences. This is all new for me and some days difficult. Living in a small town isn't easy either. Choices of fresh wildcaught fish is almost impossible- the past couple of weeks we have had fresh salmon and cod available, but after lent is over it will go away. I did buy 15 lbs. of boneless/skinless free range chicken breasts and thighs and made homeade breakfast sausage. It has been a nice treat. I froze it in 1/2 lb. packages and we have it twice a week. I am loving my veggies and smoothies.
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ginny, chondroitin is A like

and about the shell theory......contact customer service for guidance and a peace of mind


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Thank you, Lola.   But I've tried 3 products in the past which contained chondroitin and all 3 gave me horrendous stomach pains.  I am really not inclined to go that route again.  AND the label does say "contains shellfish".  

I'm one of those ultra sensitive nonnies and there is a long list of things that should be harmless or even beneficial that will double me up in pain for hours - even after really following the BTD for almost 6 years and now being on my SWAMI plan for 3 months.    

My husband, on the other hand, is also an A nonnie and nothing seems to bother his digestive system!  


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I see deflect recommended over and over again.  However, it contains chondroitin which is usually made from shrimp shells and which gives me severe stomach aches.  I also have a friend who has started ER and has a very severe (life threatening) allergy to shellfish.  

Deflect is definitely not the answer for a lot of us.  


Ginny, sometimes if I want to take a supplement and there is one ingredient I don't want, I will buy the other ingredients separately and take them.  It may not be a perfect solution, but it could help in various ways.  



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Ginny, sometimes if I want to take a supplement and there is one ingredient I don't want, I will buy the other ingredients separately and take them.  It may not be a perfect solution, but it could help in various ways.  


Thank you!  Great advice!  



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