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Loops
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hello everybody -
so this is in response to a question my friend has about the BTD and also Swami and the Genotype but thought I would post it here.  She is interested in doing BTD but wonders if weight loss is dependent on sticking to the portion sizes as stated in the books and also on Swami (she has seen my Swami and is interested).  She is at present doing a low carb diet but is getting fed up with it.  She is type O.

I said I didn't really know as much of my time on this diet has spent being either pregnant or trying to breastfeed and being in hormonal flux (I did gain weight after the birth of my son).  I am not very good with sticking to portion sizes so I couldn't say if that would make a difference or not.  She does not want to do any kind of plan that restricts calories intentionally.  I know how she feels so I agree on that one!

Any experiences or ideas?  I for one did spend a lot of time fluctuating from moderate carb to low carb after my son was born trying to get to grips with my weight gain but I couldn't really stick to one thing.  So that is why I am asking here.

Thanks!

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I would say "yes" to your question that portions matter.  They matter when SWAMI calculates your
weight, height and approximates body fat through computer calculations....and then gives you a diet that is taking into consideration the total caloric needs of each individual.  There is probably
a little wiggle room....and for someone who wants to start the BTD or GTD, at the very least they'd know the best foods to eat and the worst foods to avoid.  

I think for type O who wants to stay low carb, it's do-able....and perhaps just getting rid of lectin
damage by avoiding toxins might improve someone's health.

If your friend is interested, that's a start.....I think maybe with time, a new way of eating might
convince this person that it's not required to avoid all carbs in order to lose weight....it's a matter
of eating the right carbs and the right foods for their blood type/genotype.  A personalized diet
works far better than just a one size fits all low carb diet.


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listen to your body..... lower servings of those food groups making you put on weight

if hungry, and a double serving of compliant veggies does not appeal to you, then you are not hungry at all.....it is your bacterial overgrowth asking for more sugar...... you need to address that first and feed your cells right, while healing your gut


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ok so I will tell her portions probably do matter then??
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ok so I will tell her portions probably do matter then??


How could portions possibly NOT matter?  

I do not think anyone who takes time to think logically could ever think that portions didn't matter!  

Imagine an O eating 1/2 cup of rice, 10 cups of vegetables, 1/2 cup of fruit and 1 oz. of meat in one day............Portions all out of whack.  

OR imagine an O eating 1/2 sweet potato, 8 cups of fruit, 20 ounces of beef in another day.....Portions all out of whack also.  

Result:  Body all out of whack!  


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well I think what she means is - is it ok to led the body guide you as to how much of each food to eat?  Right now on a low carb diet she is given a list of foods to eat as much as of that she wants, and a list of foods to avoid.  Obviously somebody isn't going to feel good or want to eat just rice all day long.  Just as an example.  

My own experience has been that my body calls for different things at different times of the day - so for me I have been quite intuitive with the Swami.  But I think she is worried that the restrictive portions will mean she is hungry.  I am not sure telling her that if she is hungry and not wanting more vegetables then that means she isn't really hungry - that doesn't make sense to me.

We were arguing about it the other day - she wants to eat more carbs but is worried about weight regain.  I told her my story which is very unclear as I had a parasite infection about the same time I started BTD so lost loads of weight eating loads of fruit and meat.  But it is unclear if my weight loss was due to the parasite (chronic diarrhea for months) or due to the diet!  Then I was preggas and then I gained, then I was preggas again!  So hence I am looking for other people's experiences.

She is not on her computer much but is interested and I lent her my ER4YT book and she likes the idea but the portions worry her.

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well I think what she means is - is it ok to led the body guide you as to how much of each food to eat?
Loops




To an extent, yes. The guidelines (especially for SWAMI) are useful for getting about the right amount of food, and the right types of food.

So there is room for some individual variation (again, less variation with SWAMI) but generally speaking the portions are going to help make the diet work.
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activity level goes hand in hand



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I would also say Yes, but not to the extent that we have to measure everything.  I would also caution that my SWAMI allows agave syrup, white rice, and other carbs, but it's better for me to avoid these at times because they can fuel sugar cravings.  Your friend might have to stay mostly on the low carb diet, and introduce only the higher protein carbs such as quinoa and compliant legumes that SWAMI recommends.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I've found that portions matter greatly on some items- such as added sweeteners (1 tsp per day or less!), fruits, and grains, but I can go over on my portions of vegetables, oils (to a degree) and proteins (also, only somewhat) and still do fine. I only gain weight when I consistently overdo the portions of carb-heavy foods.

"Listening to my body" works when I'm in hormonal balance, and not stuck in an "overeat...overeat...overeat" cycle. If I'm not careful, I can eat 4 or 5 meals a day, instead of 3, and thus end up consuming WAY too much food overall. I find that I often need to "eat from my head, not my stomach" for the first 3-4 days of dieting, and then my body adapts and I can resume "eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full." If I don't achieve that balance within a few days, I make changes. I won't let myself go around feeling hungry and cranky all the time.

I've found that the carbs from diamond vegetables don't affect my weight or blood sugar the way that carbs from fruits and grains do. I can eat all the onions I want, and I can  be pretty liberal with my peas and carrots- but I've got to be very careful with the rice and quinoa portions.

If I've eaten all my portions for the day, and I'm still hungry, I'll eat more. I no longer count carbs on a daily basis- I focus on making sure I've eaten all my veggies for the day. Every once in a while, I get the urge to enter my daily foods in Fitday and I've found that, when following SWAMI and feeling good, I average 60-80 grams of net carbs per day. I was doing 40g per day for a long time, which allowed me to lose 15 pounds quickly and easily, but then I plateaued for a year. The extra carbs aren't affecting my weight loss at all, when they're part of a beneficial diet.

I still have over 30 pounds to lose, though, and that's for 2 basic reasons. I'm still doing some intense healing, and I  go through periods of "high energy" when I can exercise and stick to the eating plan, and then I go through periods of "low energy" when I'm not able to exercise, and I find myself eating higher quantities of foods just to maintain basic function. When my adrenals get weak, I need more carbs, and that interferes with weight loss and even leads to weight gain if I'm not careful.

If your friend has fewer health challenges, she should be able to keep weight control as a priority. Exercise is a key component of weight loss, unless you're severely obese; then you may lose weight  from diet alone, until you're healthy enough to start exercising. But nobody seems to be able to get from "overweight" to "healthy weight" without regular exercise.


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Portions do matter. Peter D. has said so himself. I do understand her confusion, there is too much conflicting and downright ridiculous diet information in the world.
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ok great thanks for those thoughtful replies!  I will pass them along.  
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I'm sure portions matter, but you might have to understand that everyone is different.  A book can't tell you how much to eat without knowing what your activity level is, metabolism etc. etc.  If she' mountain climbing in your Chilean mountains 3 times a week she might need waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more portions than the book is saying.  If she's bound to a chair she might need less.  And then there are people like me that are not active at all due to health issues but still seem to have high metabolisms or something.  If I fast a few meals, I lose weight rapidly.  

Only way to find out is to get started.  

Lots of people on this diet are against this but I count calories.  But for me it's not because I'm overweight.  For me it's because I'm underweight and I basically don't eat enough.  So I try to reach a certain calorie level every day.  When I did reach this level, I gained weight.  When I don't reach it, I lose.  It's just that simple for me.  But I follow my lists on what I do eat.  But changing portion sizes helps with intake of calories of course.  One way ore the other.  5 ounces of lamb has more calories than 3 ounces.  Which of course is obvious.  

Anyways.......  there's no perfect answer without actually trying it out.  


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I think it is important to get used to the diet, &  not worry too much about portions. I think as she gets healthier, the portion situation can be addressed. I have trouble keeping portions & don't worry about it.  There were several years in my life where I didn't get the proper food due to things beyond my control & now I deal with a huge appetite apparently due to blood sugar problems.  I seem to need 3,000 calories a day to feel satisfied. I have weighed between 130 & 160 with that caloric intake, which shows my metabolism is decent. I have been around 150 for a few years, but there were a couple of years (about 2005-7) where I was about 130. I was more active. I walked more, had a PT active job & did some specific exercises.  So, there are many factors. Someday, I hope I can lose this appetite & eat more normally.  I am thankful Mr T is not opposed to spending the money for the food these past several years.
The fact that the food is mostly compliant makes me less puffy looking than when I weighed less many years ago.  Yes, the type of food affects the weight/appearance.

So tell your friend not to obsess about the portions. Focus on the right foods. That takes time & energy to accomplish. The portions will happen eventually.


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If your friend has a lot of weight to lose especially if she tends to gain most of her weight in the belly rather than the butt or thighs then she might want to avoid anything with white flour including wheat, potato, rice and other white flours, white rice and most grains. Most of these are avoids for type O's anyway, but even at a normal body weight you can still gain weight if you eat to many of these foods. Eating more lean protein and quality fats should help her shed excess body fat. In general, the older you are the less efficient you are at processing carbs.

Type O women who are more "pear" shaped rather than "apple" shaped might do better to balance their carbs with fats.

Portions matter according to the food group.



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I think it is important to get used to the diet, &  not worry too much about portions. I think as she gets healthier, the portion situation can be addressed.

So tell your friend not to obsess about the portions. Focus on the right foods. That takes time & energy to accomplish. The portions will happen eventually.


This approach worked for me, too. From the start, if I'd been focused on portion size as well,  the learning curve would have seemed daunting, all things considered. One hurdle at a time.

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great answers.  So has anybody managed to lose weight without watching portions too much?  My friend is worried she will have to go back to restricting to lose.  Interestingly I just dug out my old O book list of foods to eat (separate book) and looking at the intro Dr D'Adamo does state the portions are a general guideline and not set in stone - that it is far more important to stick to the beneficial foods and avoid the avoids.  I suppose in the end I will say to her why not try the diet and see what happens?  If she starts to gain weight she can always go back to doing low carb - which it appears she has had success with but misses stuff like fruit plus she says she doesn't feel that great in the mornings sometimes.

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I've never even looked at portions and lost 65 Lbs. This is far from typical though, partly due to the nature of my weight gain (inflammation) and a better than average physical awareness about food reactions/needs. I don't mean to diminish the portion-size aspect of the diet though, only that being hungry might undermine your efforts in the beginning.


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I think it depends on how much she is in tune with her body.  Getting established in eating the right foods and staying away from the Avoid foods is the main thing.  After that, there is a range within which portions can be tweaked somewhat.  But this isn't meant to be an excuse for a person to indulge and than say that the diet isn't working.

As others have said, our need for larger or more frequent portions can happen if we are more active.  And we obviously can eat less if we are sedentary.  In general, carbs are more of a problem for type O's than for type A's.  But this is not to say carb-free is the way to go.  There are so many great carb-rich vegetables to eat.  



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Hi there Loops (and friend)

I agree with all of the above, and just wanted to add that on Pages 150 to 153 of LIVE R4YT O - basically it's the vegetable section (which is more often now referred to as "Live Foods" - in the table at the bottom of the page, Secretor and Non-Secretor BENEFICIAL veggies are UNLIMITED in portion sizes.

NB. There is also a typo in that table (in the errata section of the website) the frequency is per DAY rather than per WEEK.

Bearing in mind also that carbs and proteins have the same 4 calories per gramme, but fats have 9 calories per gramme - so a little more than twice as energy dense as the counterparts…

Your friend may find that eating unlimited BENEFICIAL veggies with some fat (saute or lightly roasted in oil) will keep her appetite satisfied longer to the point she won't even worry about the carbs and grains - and will be doing a great deal of gut healing at the same time to boot

Just ask Lola - she does it by the book!!


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One thing I would like to add to this conversation is that when you're on track and eating right, all sorts of metabolic corrections take place and the urge to overeat can diminish. For me, this was a remarkable change to no longer overcompensating with inapproprriate portions. Sort of like overeating was a disease of mis-nutrition.
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I've never even looked at portions and lost 65 Lbs. This is far from typical though, partly due to the nature of my weight gain (inflammation) and a better than average physical awareness about food reactions/needs. I don't mean to diminish the portion-size aspect of the diet though, only that being hungry might undermine your efforts in the beginning.


Wow, that's amazing.  Do you have a desk job, physical labor job, or retired?  Do you exercise regularly?  With my desk job and lack of regular exercise, I can't seem to shed a pound and overeat due to job stress.  What is your secret to success, fellow Warrior?
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One thing I would like to add to this conversation is that when you're on track and eating right, all sorts of metabolic corrections take place and the urge to overeat can diminish. For me, this was a remarkable change to no longer overcompensating with inapproprriate portions. Sort of like overeating was a disease of mis-nutrition.


Yes!  So true!  



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Wow, that's amazing.  Do you have a desk job, physical labor job, or retired?  Do you exercise regularly?  With my desk job and lack of regular exercise, I can't seem to shed a pound and overeat due to job stress.  What is your secret to success, fellow Warrior?


Just a little walking or rebounding every day, but even small changes will get your metabolism up. Park further from the door, take the stairs... dance like Ann Margret... OK, just get moving.

I'm convinced though, that it all comes together when the gut is healing and getting more balanced. Your appetite will balance to your activity level, your activity level will increase, and you'll be happier, too. Maybe enough to dance like Ann Margret.

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