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Damon
Sunday, February 16, 2014, 10:58am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi Esther,

Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.

Hence, don't expect people here to 'understand' that it may not work for you. For me it didn't work either, but that doesn't mean I didn't learn stuff. Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.

just my 2 cents
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I wonder if you'r actually an Explorer rather than a Warrior Damon. That would explain the need for red meat on  a semi-regular basis. Lamb is probably a healthier option than beef for you.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Damon
Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.just my 2 cents


condescending or what "just my 2 cents worth" lol



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Even if the BTD doesn't work for you, I hope you improve your diet like Damon did.
Many processed foods have trans fats & all kinds of hidden dangers. At least try to eat fresh food, olive oil for your salads, avoid refined sweets, eat whole grains, etc.
Esther(great name!), we all wish you well in your hunt for good health.

I don't do a lots of herbs, but there may be some you may want to try.
There are lots of good food ideas without formally mentioning BTD!


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Cravings are a problem that are hard to deal with when there is no incentive not too (when nothing helps).
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Quoted from Damon
Hi Esther,

Allow me to just emphasize the following:
Please realize that here at these dadamo forums the majority of people active are people who the BTD does work for (or at the very least; people who honestly do believe it works). The people who it doesn't work for obviously leave after a while.

Hence, don't expect people here to 'understand' that it may not work for you. For me it didn't work either, but that doesn't mean I didn't learn stuff. Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.

just my 2 cents


While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.



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yaeli
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I wonder if you'r actually an Explorer rather than a Warrior Damon. That would explain the need for red meat on  a semi-regular basis. Lamb is probably a healthier option than beef for you.
Thank you Ruthie for drawing the attention in the Explorer direction!!! A key to A's who love and need red meat.


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yaeli
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While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.



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Damon
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Your reactions above are exactly what I was referring to.. Instead of accepting that perhaps the diet doesn't work perfectly for all, you all assume I must have been doing something wrong. FYI: I already tried forcing the Explorer setting in SWAMI, but then other results didn't make sense. (by the way: I got some ancestors who lived the 'Hongerwinter' so the Warrior-type actually does/did make sense)

And by the way, I'm not in it for losing weight; for me it's just about achieving optimal health.

@ PCUK's post that has been removed in the meanwhile;
Of course almost any diet in which a person commits to eating healthy, giving up all sweets, etc., is going to result in losing weight. One doesn't need to be on the BTD for that.

Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!
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Amazone I.
Monday, February 17, 2014, 7:28am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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we need to remember: our will might be sometimes a bit     into a wrong direction due to psychic distortion like bulemia etc... the pics our psyche creates
due to a certain wish... that can't go well... but we need further informations about our own bodyfunctions related to our bloodtypes, dito psychepatterns should be acknowledged and worked on... our true self is free of all intentions and expectations... the observer.....
Don't go against yourselve but go with your true nature...so far nothing can fail then ....

btw. the book about habits... why we cherish them and why it is that hard to come along with... is amazingly written, here the author: Charles Duning next: *the neurobiology of luck* written by Prof.Dr. Tobia Esch...another biig eye opener...


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Quoted from Damon
Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!
You can still PM the OP. Just a reminder.



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you all assume I must have been doing something wrong.
Simply inaccurate.  


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Averno
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Quoted from Damon
Your reactions above are exactly what I was referring to.. Instead of accepting that perhaps the diet doesn't work perfectly for all, you all assume I must have been doing something wrong. FYI: I already tried forcing the Explorer setting in SWAMI, but then other results didn't make sense. (by the way: I got some ancestors who lived the 'Hongerwinter' so the Warrior-type actually does/did make sense)

And by the way, I'm not in it for losing weight; for me it's just about achieving optimal health.

@ PCUK's post that has been removed in the meanwhile;
Of course almost any diet in which a person commits to eating healthy, giving up all sweets, etc., is going to result in losing weight. One doesn't need to be on the BTD for that.

Now I'm out, cause I just wanted to provide a fresh view to the OP, and not start a discussion.

Good luck all!


I assumed nothing. I implied that you- by stating that some- would require assistance beyond Swami to correct underlying disease. I stand by my reasoning and disagree with your statement that those who abandoned Swami did so because it doesn't always work.




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Quoted from Averno

I implied that you- by stating that some- would require assistance beyond Swami to correct underlying disease. I stand by my reasoning and disagree with your statement that those who abandoned Swami did so because it doesn't always work.


SWAMI is a tool.

It helps some more than others.

If the cost of the diet is greater than the benefit (by whatever measure the user chooses to use) then the diet isn't worth doing.

It only matters what the view of the user is. If our education process helps the user determine their own cost to benefit ratio more accurately by uncovering the benefits (and the costs, such as compliance) that is to the user's benefit.
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Overall I can really say it did aid in improving my diet. e.g. I am eating less meat now, ditched all pork, and have included some new interesting foods. But I also clearly learned that the strict BTD/GTD/Swami recommended for me simply doesn't work. I find I simply need regular red meat too. It had nothing to do with not giving it a good or strict enough chance, or with mismeasuring my features in Swami. The diet itself simply didn't work for me.


As a Warrior, I don't get red meat on my SWAMI.  But, when I have that craving, I go with Ostrich rather than Beef.  Ostrich (a neutral) makes me feel good, satisfies that red meat craving, and doesn't adversely affect me.  Beef makes me go straight to the bathroom, and if I stay long term on it, I'm seeing blood in the toilet.  Lamb and Goat taste weird to me, but I can take it if I had to, but I'll pass.  Pork is poison, plain and simple.  If I have it, I'm breaking out all over my skin with inflammation, mainly around my thumbs and fingers.
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Esther
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I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.
Thank you everybody. I returned to find messages, and these replies. This one is correct since I have been on this diet since Sept./12 following strictly except for the occasional binge very rare by the way. I found that I became worse than better. This is why I'm requesting a imaging test for hypothyroidism, the reason I joined this site my naturopath suggested it. In some food groups he tested me no good I stay away from these foods. All of you are extremely kind, and sincere when I find out whoops I forgot to mention I touched the left side of my thyroid gland it is sensitive. Now when all is said/done I'm returning to post thread with results this won't be for a while

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Good luck , Esther!
I know several people of different blood types fighting thyroid problems...all unique, of course. Many have had trouble finding a balance but once that is managed...voila!


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The blood type encyclopedia recommends two protocols for thyroid issues:


Metabolic enhancement

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/22.html


Detoxification

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/14.html
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I'll just add my 2 cents.  I have been doing this diet for a long time for health reasons.  Which sound very similar to yours. But I did not rely on the diet as the only means for healing.  I have lyme disease and the diet itself is not enough to help cure it.  So...  but the diet does seem to help fuel my body better than if I was just eating whatever.

However, I think at some point just eating healthy was going to be a huge improvement over the diet I had when I first developed health problems.  These books if nothing else at least helped me to understand more about food, how it might be impacting my health and how I can maybe take steps to make and eat more nourishing food.  This is not the only place you can learn these things.  But I think any diet worth it's weight is going to be a diet that takes into account peoples individuality.  Some diets are one size fits all and that's just not going to do it.  

It sounds like there are other diets out there that address uniqueness.  Like Paleo?   I don't know.  But the fact is, there is no perfect solution.  For all I know I might have looked into another diet and it help too.  You have to do what works for you, but at the same time understand that if we are experiencing health issues that are accute, the food itself might not be enough to fix them.  Or maybe not as quickly as we'd like.  If you're thyroid is going bust, more than likely no amount of food is going to fix it.  Or maybe there is some magic bullet food on one of the lists that would fix it, but figuring it out might be the bigger issue.  

Health problems are difficult.  Especially when fatigue is involved because it makes it hard to cope.  We're supposed to eat better but the problem is all the good foods take time and effort to make.  Well, most of them.  Junk food is easy, but probably not going to help with our health problems.  

Do you eat any prunes?  I have to eat prunes and fruits daily in order to stay regular.  Pineapple.  Kiwis.  Those things have enzymes in them that help break down food.  

Anyways....  I pray you get better and you are led to the things that will make you better.  

For me swami is far superior to btd or gtd because I guess I'm just that weird.  Sensitive maybe.  Lyme disease seems to have done this.  When I was younger I pretty much ate anything I wanted with no problems.  Except for I did get low blood sugar from carbs and sugars for breakfast when I was young.  That's the extent of my health problems as a teen or child.  But now.....  it's been a nightmare of complexity of the last 7 years.  I just know eating well has helped.    


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And Damon, for what it's worth, I frequently bring up the fact that not all A's and AB's are going to do well without red meats.  It is not a popular viewpoint though.  But I feel like when I added red meat back in regularly, it helped my immune system and vitality.  And in fact my swami says that I should eat it.  Most people would probably not believe how much mine says I get.  I've heard some O's say it's as much as theirs.  

My point is, if your swami or diet isn't lining up with your intuition about it, I would say you know your body better than the lists.  I wouldn't fret about it.   I don't eat large amounts of beef at one time.  It's usually like 2-3 ounces when I do.  A big fat steak is not usually all that good for me either.  Although to be honest I haven't tried lately.  I never did like it real rare either.  Lamb is like totally awesome for me.  I need to get some.  I can get away with eating 5-7 ounces of fish or turkey and not feel like I'm struggling to digest though.  Which would seem odd for an A or AB.  I'm guessing.  This is now.  For a long time my gut didn't work well at all and I did abstain from large amounts of any meat.  Anyways...


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While there are going to be instances where conditions require a deeper intervention, I think that the vast majority who abandon Swami do so because it's not the magic bullet they expect it to be. Yet nowhere in our community does anyone suggest that a half-hearted commitment will give good results... much less quick results.
I completely agree. Maybe giving in to craving red meat (beef?) is the reason the diet "didn't work." The longer I stick with SWAMI the less I even want lamb, a superfood for me. I keep it on hand all the time and enjoy it now and then, but I don't feel desperately in need of it. And I am the person who was eating a big steak at least once per week and other beef dishes a good part of the time, in my other life.  


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin

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I have no arguments with that side of the coin either.  My issue was that I did cut out red meat for over a year and strangely enough, at the time I think it was a good thing because my guts weren't working well to digest.  But when I added lamb, venison and beef in once it did started working again, I felt like it helped a lot.  And those are all OK on my swami.  Lamb being a diamond and the other 2 neutrals.  Yet if you go with just a BTD, that would be a no no.  And my GTD measurements had me as a teacher which also beef and venison would be a no no.  

But I do agree.  Sometimes the thing we're holding onto is the thing that might make a difference.  I've always had cheeses and such on my list, but when I quit them, I noticed things started to work better.  I don't know if I all of a sudden became sensitive, or if I just didn't realize what it was doing when I was eating them.  But I sure do love cheese, buttermilk, yoghurt, etc etc.  Just not eating it for a while now.  


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Thank you everybody. -snip- I'm requesting a imaging test for hypothyroidism, the reason I joined this site my naturopath suggested it. In some food groups he tested me no good I stay away from these foods. All of you are extremely kind, and sincere when I find out whoops I forgot to mention I touched the left side of my thyroid gland it is sensitive. Now when all is said/done I'm returning to post thread with results this won't be for a while

Good luck, Esther.  I'm glad you're working with a professional, and I look forward to hearing back from you.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Great blog on the whys of the BTD not working by Dr. D'Adamo-- hope Damon strolls by and reads it.  

http://n-equals-one.com/blogs/2012/02/22/partial-stories-have-value-too/


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