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Esther
Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I do do do I try try and nothing has changed. I've been on this since Sept. my condition has not improved what is the point
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Friday, February 14, 2014, 1:54pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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If you aren't happy then it's time to move on.

If you are willing to give it another try, some who could not improve on BTD have done quite well on SWAMI.

It's up to you.
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Friday, February 14, 2014, 2:06pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I do do do I try try and nothing has changed. I've been on this since Sept. my condition has not improved what is the point


What is your condition?
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I'm sorry you're frustrated.

What exactly has your diet been like, what was it like before, and what condition(s) were you hoping to change?

Are you 100% certain you have your blood type correct?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Chloe
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Have you tried any specific health protocols besides the basic diet?  Do you know your secretor
status?  Taken any supplements?  If your body is holding onto old lectin damage and toxicity (which has been the case for most of us when we began), healing can't begin until you make your body hospitable to healing.

Have you learned about Deflect?  Have you heard Dr. D speak about any of his supplements?

http://www.4yourtype.com/MEDIA_audio.asp#

I'm sorry you're not getting your expectations met with your diet..It must be very frustrating for
you.  I really think if you'd share  what you're eating and what your health challenges are, there are many people here who could help you figure out why you're not making progress. Perhaps you're missing something that an experienced forum member or moderator could recognize.

We're here if you need some help!  


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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Esther
Friday, February 14, 2014, 4:15pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Have you tried any specific health protocols besides the basic diet?  Do you know your secretor
status?  Taken any supplements?  If your body is holding onto old lectin damage and toxicity (which has been the case for most of us when we began), healing can't begin until you make your body hospitable to healing.

Have you learned about Deflect?  Have you heard Dr. D speak about any of his supplements?

http://www.4yourtype.com/MEDIA_audio.asp#

I'm sorry you're not getting your expectations met with your diet..It must be very frustrating for
you.  I really think if you'd share  what you're eating and what your health challenges are, there are many people here who could help you figure out why you're not making progress. Perhaps you're missing something that an experienced forum member or moderator could recognize.

We're here if you need some help!  


no I don't know my secretor type. I have stayed away from everything according to my blood type, yet I remain fatiqued, inbalanced, unable to walk for long time have two dogs.  When I clean I'm exhausted, my sleep is eradict either I don't sleep, because I'm up before 12 a.m. I have to nap later, or I do sleep no napping, and wide awake unable to fall asleep. My bowels do not work anymore, I have been eating brown rice products for fibre, black eyed beans etc. I have 6" of large intestine I should not be constipated. When I am at the point of no return I pig out on chocolate chip cookies I have diarrhea  go figure. I tried this concoction someone gave me to juice to help the bowels start to move now that does not work anymore now, because I'm incredibly fatigued I lay around started to become chubby, I have an elliptical machine I used to go on it 10 min forward 10 min backward now I couldn't last 30 seconds here it is.  Sometimes I wonder  have I become hypothyroid.
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Started a post and lost it. Sounds like an adrenal problem.  I've had major issues (using the glove removal method) even after I was on BTD for two years.  My food in right on the money, but this has been a long term problem. My surprise quick fix was mag, I spray mag oil on my legs three times a day. (not the whole body once a day which works for many) I drink "Natural Claim" every evening. This began to help A LOT!  I've since added one polyflora (this site) every evening with water last thing. Giving the little bu**er opportunity to grow. Drink plenty of water, cut down on drying drinks.  This last couple of months I've been reg. and feel so much better.

Don't over do with the excising as an O I'm usually told to get going but with the adrenal I need to do more gentle walking. I will pick back up later this spring but will not over do. I've added weight something I don't need, but our bodies can only work on so much.

Hope something in this will help.

B best fatigue-fighting super foods are:  lean, organic grass-fed meat (especially lamb or mutton),
richly oiled cold-water fish (halibut, sardines), cultured dairy (kefir, yogurt), olive oil, walnuts, Maitake/shiltake mushrooms, onion ,berries(cranberry, elderberry) watermelon, licorice root, green tea.
I see the top on have fat, fat good for constipation.


Swami, 100% me..
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Sounds hypothyroid to me. Supplement iodine, you can take 3x the 150% serving on a bottle of the liquid dropper form, spread it throughout the day. Take some selenium, 100mg 3x a day. And then I'd probably take a multivitamin too (if they have iodine or selenium don't worry).

Very important that you try and reduce stress with, how.about stretching really well on or two times daily; yoga later perhaps and other rigerous activities.

Try and keep off wheat for now unless sprouted. Try a compliant protien shakein the morning.


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Chloe
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If you start your day with a compliant protein shake, that should stabilize your blood sugar for a few hours and take the stress off your adrenals.....And then don't get to the point of being too hungry.  Have snacks to keep
your energy up....and make them balanced....compliant nuts, seeds, raw veggies....berries, a piece
of cheese or any compliant protein...even an egg.  Not sure I'd focus on beans and brown rice because
obviously with weak adrenals, the sugars in these foods aren't your best friend.

Make sure you get adequate protein during the day, low sugar intake.  More vegetables.  Go easy
on starch and foods that turn to sugar in your body for right now, because unstable blood sugar
is the reason you're craving chocolate chip cookies and feeling so tired.  In a state of hypoglycemia a person is unfortunately craving the worst food they can possibly eat.... refined ugar.

https://www.adrenalfatigue.org/hypoglycemia

Check out the recipes on this forum for compliant snacks and treats.


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sounds like adrenals...been there...takes many months to balance.  look up herbs for adrenals. Licorice is one. Don't overexercise.
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Quoted from 49410


no I don't know my secretor type. I have stayed away from everything according to my blood type, yet I remain fatiqued, inbalanced, unable to walk for long time have two dogs.  When I clean I'm exhausted, my sleep is eradict either I don't sleep, because I'm up before 12 a.m. I have to nap later, or I do sleep no napping, and wide awake unable to fall asleep. My bowels do not work anymore, I have been eating brown rice products for fibre, black eyed beans etc. I have 6" of large intestine I should not be constipated. When I am at the point of no return I pig out on chocolate chip cookies I have diarrhea  go figure. I tried this concoction someone gave me to juice to help the bowels start to move now that does not work anymore now, because I'm incredibly fatigued I lay around started to become chubby, I have an elliptical machine I used to go on it 10 min forward 10 min backward now I couldn't last 30 seconds here it is.  Sometimes I wonder  have I become hypothyroid.


Esther, it looks like some obstacles remain despite the efforts you've made. Cutting out the avoids is an important step, but healing a body that took decades to break down requires that you also eat a variety of beneficial foods over time. And keep in mind that those cookies and other avoids undermine your best efforts much more at this stage than later when your body is healthy and can respond positively to an occasional slip-up.

To remedy specific injuries will require even more focus- targeted supplements, exercise, and a strong resolve to keep on track. Getting healthy is about commitment and realistic goals.



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Kevinwp
Saturday, February 15, 2014, 3:16am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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The Blood Type Diet is a scientific fact. So even if you think it isn't working it is working, for whatever reason your just not noticing it.
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Tom Martens
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You can't quit now, you've narrowed things down to expose issues you never would have figured out otherwise.

You have been given some awesome ideas on what could be going on.  Attack it, stay compliant and be as healthy as you never thought you could be


Be who you are.  Those who mind don't matter, those who matter won't mind.

FIfHI

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Lola
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take the test

then decide once you get your results back

the more personalized you get, the better


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!
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Esther
Saturday, February 15, 2014, 8:18am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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take the test

then decide once you get your results back

the more personalized you get, the better


Saliva test?
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PCUK-Positive
Saturday, February 15, 2014, 9:57am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I would advise Secretor test and MN test.

Hydration is very important for you so starting the day with lemon juice and warm water would be a good start. Magnesium twice a day. little fibre certainly none from grains.

don't drink with meals, go gluten zero for a month.

I would reduce Dairy to a minimum for a while and see how that works in case you are MM.

post a log of a typical few day of a food diary and we'll be able to fine tune a few things maybe.

all of this is workable if you give it a chance and adjust to your particular health issues.


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
DD ( is O+(Non)NN, Duffy Fy(a+b-) Lewis (a+b-) Gatherer
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''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
DNA mt/Haplo H; Y-chrom/J2(M172);ISTJ
The harder you are on yourself, the easier life will be on you!

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would some one in the USA or canada let ester know where she can get a MN blood test please.

also is there anywhere on Dr D site or a practitioner where people can get a lewis (secretor teat) for her?

failing that whet do you guys do for these tests for your swami data entry?


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
DD ( is O+(Non)NN, Duffy Fy(a+b-) Lewis (a+b-) Gatherer
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PCUK-- we buy the secretor test spit in the tube and send it to the lab.
Or we get a blood test ordered by our doctors.

Esther sounds like you need to revamp you approach loads of good suggestions.

Feeling overwhelmed is OK but you still need to take care of yourself and going back to what you where doing won't work either.

Are you taking a thyroid supplement from your health care provider? might be the best approach so you get get other things in order first.

Sometimes too many suggestions are not helpful.

Like Lola says secretor testing will narrow things down for you but you will still need to do the work.


MIFHI

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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Esther....get with the other B's on the board while you find out your secretor status and genotype. You sound like an Explorer  Nonnie to me. I'm sure you're not at all like my B friend: I talked to him about lectins and everything else for 4 years, he hid the fact from me that he never tried altering his diet at all, and now he's had a massive heart attack and is going to have to undergo knee replacement surgery because he can't even walk on one of his legs.

It took me 1 year of following my SWAMI to get to the roots of my bulimia to eradicate it, and to find out how - aside from my SWAMI - that certain parts of my genes are just not coded the way others' are who are even Explorers! (snps) I'm happy being a modern day Neolith now. I still have a long way to go. Just telling you that I'm 210 pounds and undergoing perimenopause tells you that I have ongoing work to do.......



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well get the MN test done then and do the spit test. i suspect ester is an MM in which case very little dairy or a max of  half the allowance of milk cheese, yoghurt, plus a possible further reduction if any associated illness or bowel issue.


Kind Regards PC. FIfHI Swami III Pro

Partner (F) is O+(Non) MN. Duffy Fy(a+b+),  Lewis (a+ b-) Gatherer.
DD ( is O+(Non)NN, Duffy Fy(a+b-) Lewis (a+b-) Gatherer
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The Blood Type Diet is a scientific fact. So even if you think it isn't working it is working, for whatever reason your just not noticing it.


I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.
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Esther... would you like to be merely approached in old fashion of jewish language ..
How can we help you to sustain ? I know SJ's do have the most problematic approach to all kinds of changes...so far feel free to get all the needed help we all can give you of all kinds of nations, language and of course of our all genuine knowledge as being members for more then 8 and more years.... we're private personalities... but we're also professionals... so far don't feel lost in your journey in BTD/GTD...
we all have had hard times in becomeing aware about our true natur... don't give up but stay and learn to hear you body language....
C'mon give another try and muchmore time to get adjusted.. and remember please... it took a certain time to your true state you're in right now... but it also needs further time to heal yourselve from the bottom up to your heart ...


shabbes shalom truly yours amiga Isa


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I don't adhere to this at all. On a long enough time scale maybe, but how many years? It's not worth it, to think changes are happening, but nothing appears to be going on.

Dr D stated that if they are not seeing something significant after 3 months it should raise a flag. In my case my blood pressure was lower, at the times taken, so perhaps he thought that was significant. It wasn't, I can have awesome blood pressure one day, horrible the next.

I might be seeing real changes now. I can't say for sure. I've thought that I was seeing changes dozens of times, but nothing really happened except I'd regain a little bit of function lost due to whatever screws with nutrient levels in me. Overall I feel sorely disappointed, out a lot of money, and frustrated.

If there is anyway to jump start someone's system into being responsive, I'm all about it. Unfortunately without having the txt book or a great background, lab data, what-have-you it's much like shooting in the dark. The body is hard to diagnose most of the time. But just about anything is worth a shot. Being told it's your fault, and you just aren't trying hard enough/long enough is convient to say as coverage for "not sure what's going on" if the practicioner doesn't outright believe the patient is just negligent to their intellect.

This is all well enough to discuss and all, but to the person who's life is in shambles and lives under experience of no improvement, that has nothing to look forward - and perhaps not the hormones or such to allow it - it's hell and not very productive.


Sounds like you should move away from your environment, then, for one. I've heard countless stories about how Montana has been bad for people.

Sorry to hijack the thread there for a second, Esther!


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Sun Pisc. Moon Capr. ASC Virg. N.Node Gem. S. Node Sagg.

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If the whole diet is too overwhelming, just do the main things.  For type B that would be eliminating chicken (turkey is OK), corn, etc. & eating a lot of the beneficials.  Maybe for now it would be better to not "sweat the small stuff" as they say.  Just focus on a few main things.
I don't know your whole story. Are you getting worse since you started the diet?  It could be a major detox going on. Whatever it is, remember that we here are caring people & hope to help you.

Love & ((HUGS))!!


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