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Aussie
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Steve Jobs was an O who swore by Veganism.  It did not serve him well.


I'm sure though there have been true believers of the Blood Type Diet that have also passed prematurely due to a medical problem.
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Everyone needs to make their own choices, my body/system does not do well with animal proteins or fats, a little fish has been ok.  It depends on what is happening with your own physiology, what imbalances exist, if you have any weak or toxic glands/organs.  many people as they age can also become more acidic and things don't work so well.
Some O's are doing well on plant/vegan diets, esp the raw diet, such as Dr Gabriel Cousens - Arizona, and Tonya Zavasta (eating raw plant diet for many years) (both in USA), more and more people are turning raw, possibly as it is is the most alkaline diet, and for many reasons besides this.
O's and hunters needs to remember to exercise regularly, so that organs will keep working and to help with stress response, because stress/unresolved/suppressed emotions and experiences, grief.... can have profound effects on one's body/system/glands.
I've watched similar dvds, but not the one you have mentioned yet.
And there is a big difference between cooked vegan diets, and a pure raw one especially if theperson has done some fasting/detoxing first, and maybe eating via Tonya Zavasta's Quantum Eating principles.  I know many vegans, some look great, others not so, but there are so many variables.
My own system doesn't produce enzymes or hormones, so I need lots of plants, and fresh living foods right now.
This is why we all need to pay attention to how our own body responds to foods, tune in and do what is right for you and what you feel best on, not for others.
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I think some cases of pancreatic disease have a psychosomatic origin which many people are not aware or have never addressed, this is more to do with metaphysical healing, and maybe he was still eating cooked plant foods, and perhaps imbalances in lifestyle contribute to disease too.
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Quoted from Aussie


I'm sure though there have been true believers of the Blood Type Diet that have also passed prematurely due to a medical problem.


Yes, but the BTD did not cause the medical problem.


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While I do agree it is important to ER4YT, surely any documentary that highlights the gross mistreatment of animals through factory farming is good! It's not propaganda, people need to see how disgusting factory farming is, we need to shift back to organic pasture raised and finished animals. So any information highlighting this is good  


The documentary had nothing to do with the treatment of animals


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Yes, but the BTD did not cause the medical problem.


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I think some cases of pancreatic disease have a psychosomatic origin which many people are not aware or have never addressed, this is more to do with metaphysical healing, and maybe he was still eating cooked plant foods, and perhaps imbalances in lifestyle contribute to disease too.
Unprecedented mental clarity becoming gradually augmented is one result I have been experiencing with BTD/GTD/SWAMI, which has been enabling me to take care, more than I could ever before, of my emotional problems and obstructions, and to give more and more room to simple straightforward logic in my daily life.

Of course I can't tell how much this is going to protect my health (tremendouly, I feel, this I can tell), but it surely is making me more and more the confident happy person I've always wanted to be.



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As discussions on Vegan Diet for All have been going on many years, and I guess they will continue to take place for years to come;

Being an O to an O mother, plus having been abstaining from meat during 22 years (resumed eating meat on 5 October 2007), I'd like to share my specific experience of taking meat in. Both veggies and red meat have great strengths to give and both are mandatory to keep me well. My mom taught me the expression: 'the strength of vegetables'. Without raw and steamed vegetables I feel depleted of the basic force of life. But to eat meat is a completely different matter for me. Just a while ago, around 2 hours after my daily scambled egg breakfast, I've consumed some left over beef gravy that was cooked with celery, cilantro, parsley. The sudden boost of energy that streamed in is nothing like what I get from a soup of vegetables alone. It works like an injection. Instantaneously I am on another level of functioning, ready to fight and 'conquer the day'. And that, speaking of just the gravy. Maybe this clarifies a bit about the contribution of meat.


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Yes, but the BTD did not cause the medical problem.


But being a vegan with an O blood type did??????

Do you have any proof that by Steve Jobs not eating as his blood type caused his premature death?

I am the last person to tell anyone how they should eat and that is why I am back here - learning.  

I do however feel that the comment you made, mostly because the person is no longer here to defend himself wanting to be a vegan versus the BTD, a bit disrespectful.

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Everyone needs to make their own choices, my body/system does not do well with animal proteins or fats, a little fish has been ok.  It depends on what is happening with your own physiology, what imbalances exist, if you have any weak or toxic glands/organs.  many people as they age can also become more acidic and things don't work so well.
Some O's are doing well on plant/vegan diets, esp the raw diet, such as Dr Gabriel Cousens - Arizona, and Tonya Zavasta (eating raw plant diet for many years) (both in USA), more and more people are turning raw, possibly as it is is the most alkaline diet, and for many reasons besides this.
O's and hunters needs to remember to exercise regularly, so that organs will keep working and to help with stress response, because stress/unresolved/suppressed emotions and experiences, grief.... can have profound effects on one's body/system/glands.
I've watched similar dvds, but not the one you have mentioned yet.
And there is a big difference between cooked vegan diets, and a pure raw one especially if theperson has done some fasting/detoxing first, and maybe eating via Tonya Zavasta's Quantum Eating principles.  I know many vegans, some look great, others not so, but there are so many variables.
My own system doesn't produce enzymes or hormones, so I need lots of plants, and fresh living foods right now.
This is why we all need to pay attention to how our own body responds to foods, tune in and do what is right for you and what you feel best on, not for others.


And I don't do well on too many raw foods. I don't know if it's about "making my system too alkaline" or something else, but I need cooked foods daily. I need more raw foods in the summer than in the winter, but even in summer I need at least one meal of cooked foods daily. Too many raw foods lead to diarrhea and a feeling of weakness. Right now, in the winter, I can't seem to stomach ANY raw  foods at all. The thought of salad disgusts me.



Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Do you have any proof that by Steve Jobs not eating as his blood type caused his premature death?

I am the last person to tell anyone how they should eat and that is why I am back here - learning.  


For some reason people feel entitled to make suppositions that favor their belief systems.

We believe, and have good reason to believe, that the BTD is a superior diet that helps cure or prevent some health issues.

We do not have any proof that one diet or another did or did not, would or would not, have helped one specific deceased person whose health history and genetics are mostly unknown to us.  

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Diets and religions are almost impossible to make broad assertions about.

Things like the BTD/GTD/SWAMI are really dietary 'metasystems,' as their scope extends throughout the spectrum of the more basic dietary 'systems.'  


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FOK logic...

People that eat just meat and cheese have scary health problems. People that eat lots of vegetables and fruit that can't afford meat and cheese don't have as many of those problems.

1. What if the meat eaters also ate vegetables and fruit?
2. They don't mention the types of health problems the non-meaters have.




Many type O's think they don't do well with meat because the changes that come are quick and intense. I've heard all about it from a dude that's now probably 450lbs, maybe more, or a lot more, who eats vegetarian despite knowing atkins made him very fit.
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For some reason people feel entitled to make suppositions that favor their belief systems.



It's called 'Freedom of Speech'.  You and I are both lucky enough to live in countries that allows us to use this right.
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We do not have any proof that one diet or another did or did not, would or would not, have helped one specific deceased person whose health history and genetics are mostly unknown to us.  



Yes I agree and TY for stating this.

I WANT this diet/way of living to work for me SO badly!

It's a learning process and I am learning every day from people like yourself and many others on this site.  

But for me "The proof is in the pudding"  
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Good comments above, I think results will come when one can find the right balance between what they eat, lifestyle, daily habits, exercise, spiritual growth/learning, detox/cleansing. It can be a process. Like Ruthiegirl, I also find it easier to eat more cooked foods in winter, eating raw salads and raw fruit would be very hard for me when it is cold, perhaps a little salad before lunch would work - like today's salad which was lettuce, a little tomato, cucumber, olive oil, lime juice, pepper - before stir-fried veg, rice and sardine - I am out today and so have to adjust depending on my activity level and how my system is working - yesterday I was not so good, so had to have the lunch which works best which is small salad, stir fried veg, protein, rice. It is interesting how some manage to eat mostly raw, even the 80-10-10 diet - I am not sure I could do due to such high levels of fruit and low amounts of fat, but the 3-1-2-1 Diet seems a possibility - as I like to have a treat sometimes.  Sorry Dr D - I just find I do better with fish at lunch right now, perhaps some chicken soup or chicken - small amounts only - red meat - I can't do at all and don't want to.  I may try egg white in morning tomorrow with spinach and mushroom, but egg yolk makes me feel very ill and irritable. I still like to stick with the fruit / veg / spices / nuts / seeds that Dr D. has recommended, as I know that my body prefers them. About to stock up on some cherries today - maybe some pineapple - I seem to like fresh fruit around 4pm these days with some nuts, I still like stewed apple/pear/prune/fig with spices first up before breaky - and usually warm cooked grain in water usually.  One raw juice a day suits me better, usually around 11am if I am home, this is why experimenting is good and I also listened to the Ayurvedic practitioner too, they know about the different types of people/body/mind types and what works best especially if things aren't working well internally.
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For some reason people feel entitled to make suppositions that favor their belief systems.

We believe, and have good reason to believe, that the BTD is a superior diet that helps cure or prevent some health issues.

We do not have any proof that one diet or another did or did not, would or would not, have helped one specific deceased person whose health history and genetics are mostly unknown to us.  


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So I went digging else where. Looking at the raw studies of the rats used in the tests for the documentary. I also found bits and pieces of info on the China study. Most of what was presented in the film seems to be a shady truth or in some cases only part of the truth.


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{{{{deep sigh}}}} EVERYTHING we know for sure is a part of the truth....  

Keeping praying and searching for what is working best


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Sorry Dr D - I just find I do better with fish at lunch right now, perhaps some chicken soup or chicken - small amounts only - red meat - I can't do at all and don't want to.



Each of us is an epidemiological study of one. And with that sample size comes a host of beliefs, choices and observations.

That's why you must always be willing to try things and then hold on to what works for you.


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I won't go into the statistical faults of the China Study; That has already been dissected on numerous websites.  The major flaw was a heavy dose of confirmation bias: the tendency to only see data that supports your conclusions. The Paleo people pretty much do the same thing.


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But being a vegan with an O blood type did??????

Do you have any proof that by Steve Jobs not eating as his blood type caused his premature death?

I am the last person to tell anyone how they should eat and that is why I am back here - learning.  

I do however feel that the comment you made, mostly because the person is no longer here to defend himself wanting to be a vegan versus the BTD, a bit disrespectful.


If A's can eat all of the red meat they want and get colon cancer, stomach cancer, and heart disease, then why can't an O who denies his body of the protein ( and other O foods) it requires have the same problems?

He also refused conventional treatment that might have saved him.


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Just because you are an O does not mean that red meat needs to be your only source of protein.  Many of us on this diet subscribe to a diet high in wild caught seafood, particularly those of us who live near the coasts.

Also, not all meat is created equal.  Try to purchase only 100% grass fed beef, which has the same omega profile as fish.  Cows that are fed corn and other grains produce meat that is unhealthy, so be careful when you purchase your beef and be sure to confirm that it is grass fed through to the end.

Lamb is always grass fed, from what I understand, so it is an excellent choice for O's as well.

Learning to be an educated consumer can help you to avoid the pitfalls of this or any other diet!

Best of luck!
Patty  


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Also, not all meat is created equal.  Try to purchase only 100% grass fed beef, which has the same omega profile as fish.  Cows that are fed corn and other grains produce meat that is unhealthy, so be careful when you purchase your beef and be sure to confirm that it is grass fed through to the end.



Didn't think of cows having corn included in their food.

This has been a morning full of learning!  Makes me happy  

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Each of us is an epidemiological study of one. And with that sample size comes a host of beliefs, choices and observations.

That's why you must always be willing to try things and then hold on to what works for you.

THIS ^.  I love it, believe it, and it works for me.

...Aaaaand, it is going into my signature blurb as a quotable quote!


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