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Mayhan
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As an O type the I'm told meat is the way to go. But this new documentary says otherwise. What are your thoughts on this?


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Vegan propaganda imo...
not all meat is created equal

Choose your food careful from real farms not big CAFO industries.


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I thought that might be the case but the studies seem to be real. Its scary as an O type if these studies are accurate.


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how did man survive for 100000 years on a diet of meat
The problem is not meat but the kind of meat and all the other c**p we eat in a modern life.


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meat wasn't all we ate. We also couldn't track things like cancer and heart attack deaths. We also didn't live very long. If there is any real evidence that forks over knives is wrong I WANT to see it. I don't want this to be true. I've committed the last 3 years of my life to the o type diet 2 of which I went so far as to jump onto the Hunter diet.  


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You should do fine on the O diet. There are many examples of people's high cholesterol going down with meat when they are O & going up if they are type A.  It is amazing.
Trust the BTD.  Just eat good quality meat & lots of veggies.

Also, there are type Os who only eat a few ounces of meat a week & feel good & others who eat several pounds a week.  Maybe you could compromise & eat a little less & see how you do.

Are you sure of your type? Once in a while someone finds out they had a faulty blood test. I'm sure yours is accurate, but there are those few cases.  ...Trying to help.. this is a helpful group!


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I'm almost positive of my type. I took 2 tests form 2 different offices and got the same results. As of right now I have no reason to distrust the diet. Last I checked a year ago and my blood levels were fine. I more or less live off animal protein as I am competitive weight lifter. The documentary just caught my attention and scared me honestly. With all the meat I eat is this going to come back to haunt me later?


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The O diet is not made up of only meat, Doc. D diets. (all blood types) are well rounded and  balance. While an O may eat more meat than the other types, we are still advised to eat plenty of vegetables, fish, along with some grains, fruit etc.  

As a competitive weight lifter I'm sure you understand this.  


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Steve Jobs was an O who swore by Veganism.  It did not serve him well.


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I've seen type o vegans that no matter what they do they still struggle with their health, I think reducing the amount of meat and making sure when you do eat it its organic, grass fed etc is important. If you feel good on the BTD and have no health issues then you should be fine. Watch food inc, it explains the difference between factory farmed and ethical healthy farms.
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I might add as a type A I feel great on a vegan diet!
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That documentary was stupid. I'm surprised you're even asking about it. What does it give as any sort of evidence? It's just anecdotal jumble that tries to use numerous points in interest of supporting vegansim that don't actually conflict with eating meat. The references to studies are misused greatly; skewed.
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Yes I understand the importance of fruits and vegetables in my diet. I just eat my protein source first and use whatever space I have left for the other foods. The doctors in that documentary spent years researching and studying for this book/ film. They cited their research. However without seeing all their notes I cant be sure of whether or not they used the results to hide the real truth and further a personal agenda.  


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As Dos says the It's ignorant rubbish.

What I would do though is get a secretor test done which will give you a better idea of how much meat to eat. I would also get an MN test done to see if you should watch fat and or dairy portions.

weren't you the chap that eats 6000 calories when you train? Try doing that on a vegan diet mate you will explode .


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Most if not all of the vegan diet studies only use a 6-8 week study.  Anyone will lose weight in the short term when switching to a lower calorie diet.  It's over the long term that the vegan diet destroys O's, B's and AB's.


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Well if you have dedicated yourself to this eating regime and have good success with your health improving why would you even question whether this is wrong or not?  

Your health should be your barometer.  Mine certainly has.  Since I have had immense success  on all levels after fully giving myself to my Swami, I look at no other diet routines and claims.  None of them make any sense to me and ask me to eat food that are avoids that have hurt my stomach and my joints in the past.  

You can always go off Swami and try that guys routine out but in my opinion you'll be wasting precious time that you could be continuing with the deep healing that following your Swami provides.


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Quoted from Tom Martens
Most if not all of the vegan diet studies only use a 6-8 week study.  Anyone will lose weight in the short term when switching to a lower calorie diet.  It's over the long term that the vegan diet destroys O's, B's and AB's.


I agree
and I must admit that I am not 100 % that is is even safe on a long term for A´s.
I wouldn´t be vegan when I was a child or pregnant if I was a A- I think the beauty of the A diet is that it is NOT a Vegan diet  

I have been a lacto/ ovo vegetarian for years and my health as that that good - I even tried a vegan diet for a few months and it made my health even worse so I know these diets pretty well and the way people try to brain wash each other.

I have a several A and ABs that are vegetarians and vegans  and I must say that the vegans are the sickest....and when I question it they all go bananas...

I think the RIGHT animal produce is important for all types but it doesn´t have to be the same for all types
some  will find eggs fine -other dairy -other meat, poultry or fish...
but it is human to eat some kind of animal produce..


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I shared a car ride with one of the docs (I think he was the one that Bill Clinton worked with). Sweet guy, with a very nice wife, but I felt I was talking about nutrition with someone from the 1960s.


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It's not propaganda, because they don't know that it's wrong. It's desperately believing in a (demonstrably false) premise to the point of self delusion.

I saw this awhile back and was impressed by the production value and the strength of it's message to the public in lifting the conversation about diet and health. It sort of hits the target there, but misses the bull's-eye.

On the seemingly intractable idea that agricultural practices and excessive, inappropriate consumption are unchangeable, it misses the target entirely.

So if this broader issue points people towards a better understanding of their health issues and helps them gain control, how can that be a bad? Well for one thing, the problem (and it's a big one) is that any distraction from the bulls-eye will ultimately undermine their good intentions when it fails them, furthering their sense of helplessness. And the real problem of modern agriculture and consumption will never be properly addressed.








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Quoted from Dr. D
I shared a car ride with one of the docs (I think he was the one that Bill Clinton worked with). Sweet guy, with a very nice wife, but I felt I was talking about nutrition with someone from the 1960s.


Ha ha! yeah....that was me back in the 60's! (an O veggie)

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I suppose what I was looking for were facts or more information on the studies and tests run. Were the results given in an honest manner? Or did he use statistics to portray the truth he wanted? The best evidence I have is that I am doing well on the o type/ hunter diet.


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Probably everyone could benefit from a vegan diet for a short time to detox.  But you cannot gauge long-term results on that.
BTW, a 'friend of a friend' saw Pres. Clinton at an event several months ago & said he didn't look good.  But I thought I saw a recent pic of him & he seemed healthy.  I just hope he isn't an O being on that vegan diet. His personality seems O or AB. They have said he might be an AB  a long time ago.

Anyway, vegan is not to way to go long-term!!


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While I do agree it is important to ER4YT, surely any documentary that highlights the gross mistreatment of animals through factory farming is good! It's not propaganda, people need to see how disgusting factory farming is, we need to shift back to organic pasture raised and finished animals. So any information highlighting this is good  
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I agree
and I must admit that I am not 100 % that is is even safe on a long term for A´s.
I wouldn´t be vegan when I was a child or pregnant if I was a A- I think the beauty of the A diet is that it is NOT a Vegan diet  


The dairy diamond foods still cause problems for me and the turkey and chicken make me constipated (sorry for the overshare) I will ocassionally eat eggs and some fish, but what I'm really trying to say is following the BTD guidlines some people will still do better on some foods then others, and I have seen many healthy thriving vegans. Its important not to say that one diet or another is unsafe for everyone because everyone is different, you just gotta find what works for you
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The best evidence I have is that I am doing well on the o type/ hunter diet.




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