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Sage
Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 11:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello,

I am not to the eating for your blood type concept and have a few questions about some specific areas that are causing me discouragement.  Any help is appreciated.

Is there any substitute for my morning coffee?
I read that green tea can be used in lieu of coffee, but wouldn't that have caffeine in it as well?

How harmful is a little cheating?
This question is in regards to cheddar cheese (and in all honesty, caffeine).  Is it necessary to avoid cheese all together, or will severely limiting my intake make a difference?  

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Lloyd
Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 11:40pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello,

How harmful is a little cheating?



Welcome!

It depends on what you are trying to achieve and how fast you want to get there. Try to be as compliant as you can be and still be able to follow the diet, and then go from there as you assess your progress and needs.

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Lloyd
Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 11:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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P.S. There is a nifty type O avatar free for you at the Member Center.
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battle dwarf
Tuesday, December 10, 2013, 11:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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on the caffeine there is currently another thread suggesting options but it is not the caffeine that is generaly the problem for us O's it is a chemical specific to the coffee itself and in most cases the acid inherent to the roasted drink. you might even try a low acid coffee to help wean yourself off for a while.
the cheese? that would depend a lot on what it dose to you. I myself have a little square at parties now and then, though I am perfectly happy with the other cheeses I can have (ex, farmers cheese). with those it is often the way lactose is processed by the bacteria involved in making it, or (as in the case of brie) mold. most O's are lactose intolerant and react badly to mold.
knowing exsactly why a food is an avoid helps a lot. the encyclopedia is very helpful for that and also the archives here.


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Sage
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Thanks for the replies everyone.

Lloyd, my goal is weight loss and just feeling better overall.  I have no symptoms when I consume caffeine or dairy. I went to change my avatar as suggested, but I wasn't sure which one to select.  What's the difference between Secretor O+ and O+?  

Dwarf, I have never had farmers cheese, but will give it a try.
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battle dwarf
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good stuff farmers cheese. mild and creamy, some where between provolone and mozzarella. very versatile for cooking with or just snacking on. hard to find here. I only know two places in my area (if you can call a 45min drive my area) where I can get it.
the non-secretor is a secondary status and not as many people have it. it is the difference between people who secret their dna in saliva and other bodily fluids and people who can only find their dna through blood. most people are secretors. if you don't know assume you secret until you know for sure unless you look through the listings (it is part of the first book) and decide it fits you better by the way you react to things.


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Mrs T O+
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If you are young & healthy, you probably would do better with a little cheating than someone who is battling health problems. One of our regulars here cannot even touch wheat.  Others may cheat more often & be outwardly OK.
I hope you can visit this forum regularly as it is the best message board on the internet!
Well, it is a great group of people & we learn so much!


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Lloyd
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I went to change my avatar as suggested, but I wasn't sure which one to select.  What's the difference between Secretor O+ and O+?  



Those who have tested for secretor status and gotten a positive result, and are O and Rh+ would choose Secretor O+.

Those who are O and Rh+ but do not know their secretor status would choose O+.

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Lloyd, my goal is weight loss and just feeling better overall.


Higher levels of compliance tend to see faster results. As opposed to slower results or no results.

It's up to you how much you are willing to do. None of us can say specifically how much those changes might affect you, personally, although many of us have an idea how it affects us. It varies from individual to individual.

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Here are my honest thoughts, meant to be helpful:  

My experience in my own life plus closely watching other people has been that people who are highly compliant (really follow the plan very closely, taking particular attention to NOT eat the things on their avoid list) do very well.

People who "play with" the plan don't see changes and these are the ones who bad mouth it as not being effective.  That is sort of like having a prescription or even a prescribed natural supplement where the instructions are to take 3 per day - but you take 1 every other day or so and then say that medicine or supplement wasn't any good.  

Starting seriously after reading Eat Right 4 Your Type AND Live Right 4 Your Type so you understand the whole thing, then going slowly but always continuing to make changes that bring you as quickly as possible to well over 90% compliance is actually following the plan, but doing it gradually.  

Continuing to eat avoid items and looking for "something" that will undo the damage they do to your system is playing with the plan.  


6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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Quoted from Sage
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Is there any substitute for my morning coffee?



I am not going to suggest anything for this as I am having just as much trouble as you!!!!    However you will get heaps of good advice and a lot of support here so keep asking questions and Good Luck!  
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Quoted from Sage
Hello,

I am not to the eating for your blood type concept and have a few questions about some specific areas that are causing me discouragement.  Any help is appreciated.

Is there any substitute for my morning coffee?
I read that green tea can be used in lieu of coffee, but wouldn't that have caffeine in it as well?

How harmful is a little cheating?
This question is in regards to cheddar cheese (and in all honesty, caffeine).  Is it necessary to avoid cheese all together, or will severely limiting my intake make a difference?  



Hey There... welcome!! this is a GREAT group to get support and cheering from as you move along toward serious health!!!  

My husband quit coffee after 55 years of drinking it and what helped him immensely was Yerba Mate and Green Tea.  He's and O and said he'd NEVER quit.  Now... he has a strong stomach to be able to drink it for that long however he began to have trouble not only with his stomach but his gut and decided he wanted to be healthy rather than sickly. He drinks yerba and green tea everyday just like he used to drink coffee - several cups a day and it keeps him quite happy.  He also went full bore on giving up wheat, corn, dairy (except the cheeses he's allowed), and many other avoids.  He is seeing the results of the plan.

Myself - I've been clean from junk, sugar and noncompliant eating for almost 7 months and that is a miracle as I'm a compulsive food addict of 45 years.  I fought with being compliant... being stubborn about giving up my 'favorites' that were killing me!  How stupid is that?!!   But we all have a little kid in us that stomps their feet and says.. "NO... I don't wanna!"   ha ha....

Anytime you need help or support reach out on this board.  The work Dr. D has done is a miracle for those of us that surrender to it.  We all see healing and vibrant health after our bodies  get rid of all the toxins.  Hang in there!  It takes time, but better to jump in now, full bore, rather than wait and let the disease processes continue to flourish.  

BTW... I started out with the Blood Type Diet plan, then moved to the Geno Type Diet plan and now both my husband and I follow our Swami's.  
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I don't tolerate any cheating, because I started out with a chronic illness and I'm still healing. It doesn't take much "veering from the plan" for symptoms to return; even when I'm "doing everything right" I still have some lingering symptoms.

But my kids are young and healthy and have NOT been hurt from "years of eating wrong for their types." Or, at least not as many years as I did. All of them can "cheat" at social functions without obvious problems, although too much "bad foods" will affect their immunity, mood, and focus.

One of my daughters reacts very poorly to wheat (though not as badly as I do.) She doesn't have to worry about cross contamination, but she'll suffer from a short temper and reduced focus from the amount of wheat in a single cookie. She once had a bagel on a Sunday, and was absolutely miserable for the next week or two. My other daughter gets skin reactions from potato ingestion.

Neither one of my daughters reacts strongly to milk or other dairy products. I get congested from eating them, plus it affects my mood. It's dose-dependent; a little cheese causes only a little (hardly noticeable) congestion, while a large quantity makes me stuffier, the effects start sooner, and last longer. I'm not sure about the mood effects, as those are harder to quantify.

I think it's reasonable to ease into this way of eating slowly. If all you did was cut out wheat right now, you'd be in great shape. If you follow the diet 100% except for cheddar cheese and coffee, you'd be in even better shape!

I used to drink one cup of coffee a day, pre-BTD. In the first month or so of BTD, I eased off of coffee and onto green tea, yerba mate, and cocoa powder. I never reduced my caffeine intake at all, just substituted compliant sources. I can't have green tea on an empty stomach without getting nauseated. I have a cup of "mocha mate" to start the day, and the green tea comes later, with or after breakfast.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Sage
Hello,

I am not to the eating for your blood type concept and have a few questions about some specific areas that are causing me discouragement.  Any help is appreciated.

Is there any substitute for my morning coffee?
I read that green tea can be used in lieu of coffee, but wouldn't that have caffeine in it as well?

How harmful is a little cheating?
This question is in regards to cheddar cheese (and in all honesty, caffeine).  Is it necessary to avoid cheese all together, or will severely limiting my intake make a difference?  



I'm pretty new myself, been here about two months. Thus far, I don't think there has been a flick of a switch, like instant overnight progress, but I'm sure there have been little changes that I just take for granted.

I'll give an example, as to your little cheating. I have done about a 90-95% effective job of eliminating wheat/corn/dairy from my diet, with the occasional little slip of an ingredient, like soysauce on my dinner, that I found out had wheat in it, or some compliant muffins, that I found out had cornstarch but for the most part my snacking on tortilla chips, eating corn on the cob, making whole wheat bread, drinking soy milk, eating ice cream, devouring ghouda and cheddar cheese, are just a few of my bad eating habits, pre erfybdiet.

So last week at work, they were having fajitas and home made chips. Now I love Mexican food, and have not had any for two months, so I threw in the towel and said I will endulge tonight, I feel I have earned it. It was very tasty, but the next morning I noticed the roof of my mouth was itching, which was strange, I have felt that before but it's been some time, and I always attribitued it to allergies. So I decided to google it, sure enough, it's the beginning of winter, too cold, no pollen, and it is an allergy, food allergy.

So the light went off, it was the corn or wheat from the tortillas, or chips, that set this off. I will not entirely give up Mexican food on a rare occasion but if my body is telling me that, then I will listen and not subject it to that everyday, like I use too...

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my mother got me started on this diet. it took her a while to convence me because i had always been against all the fad dieting that so many of my friends had gotten into and i thought this was just another one. i had already droped corn after seeing a study comparing the amounts of corn the gov expected the average American to eat with the amounts feed to hogs to fatten them up. it was almost the same! i said "i am not a hog to fatten" and cut every source of it from my diet.
my mother still bugged me about wheat but i was adicticted to bread and it sounded like a fad thing so she handed me the first btd book and asked me to at least read it. by the time i was done reading the preface i knew this was not a fad. actual thought and scientific research had gone into theis way of eating and not just a blanket "every one should eat this way". i had seen how things that worked for one person did not work for another and having some medical knowlage i left it down to metabalisum. when the idea of blood type was introduced i was naturaly couriose. it all fit so well with what i had looked into already that the blood type was like handing me the last puzzle piece and i have never looked back.
getting rid of my avoids ended up being easy because i had just been through some rouph times and had to start my pantry over from scratch in any case so i simply used the benni list as my grocery list and ignored some of the things i normaly bought that were on the avoid list. to be honest it was not hard because i already liked most of the things on the list. wheat and potatos where my hardest because i love chips  


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Lloyd, my goal is weight loss and just feeling better overall.  I have no symptoms when I consume caffeine or dairy.-snip-
Welcome, Sage.  If coffee and cheddar cheese are the only avoids that are causing you discouragement, then you're doing so much better than me!

Folks here are probably sick of reading my posts about coffee, so I won't do that now.  You're free to use the search tool to find my prior posts on the subject.

No symptoms....  You might be surprised that the state of being that you're tolerating is a collection of symptoms.  Perhaps you don't notice any immediate symptoms from dairy and coffee, but those foods might be contributing to your feeling less than optimal.

After I cut way back on corn, I was surprised that the elbow and knee pain I had experienced for a couple of years went away.  I can pig out next week for a few days on tortilla chips, tacos, corn enchiladas, etc. and make that same pain come back.  But until I went through the process of eliminating corn and finding an new baseline of wellness, I had no way of knowing that I was having a food-related symptom.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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i did not think i had any symtoms until i droped wheat. my co workers sure noticed! i was tiered all the time and did not even realize it. after just a month i was bouncing off the walls!


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Thank you for sharing your experiences with me.  I went online today and found an herbal coffee that I'm going to give a try.  I will definitely take a look at the previously submitted coffee related posts.  I've seen green tea as a substitute for coffee repeatedly, but doesn't that have caffeine in it as well?  I am also taking pure green coffee bean extract in pill form for weight loss.  Is the caffeine problematic only when brewed, or would you suggest I stop taking this pill as well?  

I must sound like such a caffeine addict to you all.  lol  
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Caffeine is not a problem. Coffee is. Decaffeinated coffee is just as much an "avoid" as regular coffee. The caffeine from green tea, cocoa, and yerba mate are perfectly appropriate for most Os. Some individuals do better on a caffeine-free diet, but that isn't a requirement of following BTD.

The green coffee bean extract has not been rated, as it wasn't available when Dr D was researching foods for BTD. I don't know if it acts like coffee in the system because it IS coffee, or if it's OK because it's not processed the way regular coffee is. Green tea and black tea have different ratings, even though they're from the same plant; just processed differently. It's up to you if you're comfortable continuing this supplement or not.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Got it!  Today I am not nearly as overwhelmed by the dietary adjustments as I was yesterday.  You all have been very helpful.  
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Sage, I was a cheddar cheese addict - absolutely loved it and was heart broken to learn it was a poison for me. I gave it up, along with all other dairy and grains.  I've learned to roast sweet potatoes and turnips in the oven which is super easy and can make enough to last a few days, and can cook a steak or cod or salmon filet in five minutes on the stove. For my extremely busy life, easy prep is important. Anyway, as time went on I no longer craved cheese.  I am highly compliant and no longer struggle with my weight. I am definitely leaner and stronger but it took time. The only avoid that I still have is coffee because of my migraines. No amount of weaning off coffee works for me - my migraines return and stay for as long as my coffee intake is low to none. And supplementing with other sources of caffeine does not work.  I don't know why that is.  So in my case the cost to give up coffee is greater then the benefit. I have experienced only benefit and no adverse affects. But everyone is different. You may benefit quit a bit by giving up coffee so it's worth a try.  

The two biggest things I avoided that dropped substantial weight on me was all dairy and wheat. Try that at least to start. I think you will motivated by the results. Best of luck!


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